Roe v. Wade

[Oceanside]

Banning abortions isn't going to stop abortions. Like Karl said above this issue is way more complicated than this. But here's the thing; as a man I'm not comfortable making laws that dictate what a woman can and can't do with their body. But where I struggle is at what point? Not sure if you have kids but I can only go by my own experience here. Would I personally feel OK with anything after 16 weeks? 12 weeks? IDK probably not. I remember the feeling of hearing the heartbeats of my two when they were only a few weeks old. I'd hate to be in the position to have to even consider it. Again, it's something I can make a good argument for/against so I think it's best left to those the most impacted.

I agree with ya..

I just think (for me) the whole issue goes off track in another direction when the "woman have the rights to do with their bodies what they want" card is played.

[NorwichGrad]

Banning abortions isn't going to stop abortions. Like Karl said above this issue is way more complicated than this. But here's the thing; as a man I'm not comfortable making laws that dictate what a woman can and can't do with their body. But where I struggle is at what point? Not sure if you have kids but I can only go by my own experience here. Would I personally feel OK with anything after 16 weeks? 12 weeks? IDK probably not. I remember the feeling of hearing the heartbeats of my two when they were only a few weeks old. I'd hate to be in the position to have to even consider it. Again, it's something I can't make a good argument for/against so I think it's best left to those the most impacted.

Yup. I'm with you. I mean, $hit man, at Freedom Farm I watched 11 ducklings hatch. I watch the birth of many cute baby goats. Each time I cried. I cried because I was always reminded how precious life is. And these are 'only' animals. How much more if they were human babies? Like you, I have kids. I also heard their heartbeats when they were only several weeks in the womb.

As much as a I am pro-Life, I also acknowledge that banning abortion will not stop abortion. And I am also with you as far as leaving it best to the most impacted - as local as possible.

The bigger picture is other than the effects of central banking, which I have explained, the topic has also been politicized just like the rona, just like race, just like everything else. When will the sheep on both sides wake up and realize gubmint is purposely pitting us against each other as they continue to enrich themselves at the expense of our own suffering?

Humanity continues to be played. It is sad. We all should be working together and fight the real enemy - politicians, corporatists, bankers, oligarchs.. But it will never happen. Because humans are wired to be distracted emotionally and blindly follow orders and wired to foolishly pick teams.

[LWW]

Oh look a bunch of men opining about what a woman can/should do with their bodies.

Sounds about right.

You can thank your mom too for not being selfish over the body.

I’m only pointing out the BS. The political ladies who really don’t give a crap. They are all ok with rapist walking free.

I’m for personal responsibility, a dr who performs abortions is a sick mofo or anyone who performs them.

Laws are not needed only common sense. And in a free nation I can call them sick mofos.

[NorwichGrad]

You can thank your mom too for not being selfish over the body.

I’m only pointing out the BS. The political ladies who really don’t give a crap. They are all ok with rapist walking free.

I’m for personal responsibility, a dr who performs abortions is a sick mofo or anyone who performs them.

Laws are not needed only common sense. And in a free nation I can call them sick mofos.

"The more numerous the law, the more corrupt the state." - Roman dood by the name of Tacitus

We are drowning in laws. America is only 5% of global population, but 25% of global prisoners are Americans. Why? Cuz politicians on both sides are addicted to criminalizing everything. On average, we violate 3 laws a day without us even knowing it.

Again, the answer is more Freedom. Most laws are unjust and unethical and manmade arbitrary goat$hit made by evil gubmint.

[x-trainer ben]

And prisons are publicly traded companies....^^

[mtpockets]

I don't agree with a fetus being aborted either, however, I am a man and a man's contribution to the reproductive process lasts less than 9 seconds.

A woman's involvement is approximately 9 months, I think this is something that should be decided by the woman and her health care provider

Taking away the Freedom of choice from a woman is a giant step backwards and won't stop abortions anyway, it will just stop legal safe abortions.

That's my couple of coppers on the whole deal.

[LWW]

it will just stop legal safe abortions.

That's my couple of coppers on the whole deal.

Personal responsibility, unsafe only means one was irresponsible.

Pre determine a health of a baby inside the womb is also BS. The little strongman who beat up thugs in NYC was told he’d never see age 18 by the experts. So he ran away from home and lived to be over age 80 and in great health.

[Mark1T]

New York Post: Biden once voted to overturn Roe v. Wade, saying women do not have ‘sole right’ to choose.

https://nypost.com/2022/05/04/biden-...ource=mail_app

[BK909]

People have a argument "for" killing babies.

I know government sanctioned murder is ok but come on.
🤡 🌎

[Corbi]

Oh look a bunch of men opining about what a woman can/should do with their bodies.

Sounds about right.

Its actually about what a woman can do with someone else's body.
I have asked & haven't received an answer as to why it's ok for abortion advocates to kill but if someone causes an accident and a pregnant woman is involved and she dies or if just the fetus dies then the person who caused it can be & have been charged with murder.

[7Seconds]

Its actually about what a woman can do with someone else's body.
I have asked & haven't received an answer as to why it's ok for abortion advocates to kill but if someone causes an accident and a pregnant woman is involved and she dies or if just the fetus dies then the person who caused it can be & have been charged with murder.

Because like other types of homicide, the states are allowed to determine what does and doesn't qualify as fetal homicide (and not all states have fetal homicide laws); except in the case of abortion (prior to viability), where the federal government has taken that authority away from the states via rulings like Roe v Wade and Planned Parenthood v Casey.

So what appears to be a double standard is actually just a case of State governments and the Federal government having different definitions of what constitutes a human life; and in the case of abortion, federal law trumps state law.

[Mark1T]

Because like other types of homicide, the states are allowed to determine what does and doesn't qualify as fetal homicide (and not all states have fetal homicide laws); except in the case of abortion (prior to viability), where the federal government has taken that authority away from the states via rulings like Roe v Wade and Planned Parenthood v Casey.

So what appears to be a double standard is actually just a case of State governments and the Federal government having different definitions of what constitutes a human life; and in the case of abortion, federal law trumps state law.

I do not disagree. Rights are not being taken away. They are being removed from federal over reach and placed in States' hands. Huge difference than what is being politically motivated in perpetuity in the media and on social platforms. As always, especially since the past several years, politicians and the media want us all at each others' throats in chaos with crisis after crisis with the Outrage Squads at the ready at any moment.

[joewattie]

I do not disagree. Rights are not being taken away. They are being removed from federal over reach and placed in States' hands. Huge difference than what is being politically motivated in perpetuity in the media and on social platforms. As always, especially since the past several years, politicians and the media want us all at each others' throats in chaos with crisis after crisis with the Outrage Squads at the ready at any moment.

Maybe ... the Supreme Court is apolitical? It was a "Republican" Court that came up with Roe v Wade in the first place.

This year the Republicans were a shoe-in for the mid-terms. If a Republican Court flips Roe v Wade they will be turning the mid-terms over to the Democrats. Therefore SCOTUS must be apolitical?

[thomashenry]

Maybe ... the Supreme Court is apolitical? It was a "Republican" Court that came up with Roe v Wade in 1973.

This year the Republicans were a shoe-in for the mid-terms. If a Republican Court flips Roe v Wade they will be turning the mid-terms over to the Democrats. Therefore SCOTUS must be apolitical?

So you surmise that over this, that open borders, energy and food prices running rampant ( highest in decades) inflation (a tax) highest ever, abandoning Afghanistan with American military personnel killed as fodder by miscreants in our Nation, a loss of respect worldwide, shtf all over, an administration that can’t determine what a woman is, a utter fraudulent fool as POTUS, to name a few issues and you believe that conservatives/ republicans and normal common sense people are not going to do everything possible to curtail this madness occurring before our very eyes and just maintain the status quo of total crap coming from DC , I think you are absolutely wrong

[joewattie]

So you surmise that over this, that open borders, energy and food prices running rampant ( highest in decades) inflation (a tax) highest ever, abandoning Afghanistan with American military personnel killed as fodder by miscreants in our Nation, a loss of respect worldwide, shtf all over, an administration that can’t determine what a woman is, a utter fraudulent fool as POTUS, to name a few issues and you believe that conservatives/ republicans and normal common sense people are not going to do everything possible to curtail this madness occurring before our very eyes and just maintain the status quo of total crap coming from DC , I think you are absolutely wrong

All of that was not my point (but I do agree with what you said). But like it or not there are more progressives than conservatives. And there are a lot of Independents. What with all the mishaps (that you mentioned) a lot of Independents and even some Democrats were poised to give the Republicans a victory come midterms.

But the Left is already weaponizing this leaked draft and, yes, the resultant propaganda could well flip the midterms to the Left.

I was being "tongue in cheek"; if the Republican Court was truly Political they would have never risked the midterm elections.

[Mark1T]

Maybe ... the Supreme Court is apolitical? It was a "Republican" Court that came up with Roe v Wade in the first place.

This year the Republicans were a shoe-in for the mid-terms. If a Republican Court flips Roe v Wade they will be turning the mid-terms over to the Democrats. Therefore SCOTUS must be apolitical?

Why are you asking me? As if I am saying that SCOTUS is apolitical? You should try harder in your communications.

You really believe that this will make that difference? I do not. The ones who are the loudest will be the minority the end of this year.

[thomashenry]

[QUOTE=joewattie;1660739333]All of that was not my point (but I do agree with what you said). But like it or not there are more progressives than conservatives. And there are a lot of Independents. What with all the mishaps (that you mentioned) a lot of Independents and even some Democrats were poised to give the Republicans a victory come midterms.

But the Left is already weaponizing this leaked draft and, yes, the resultant propaganda could well flip the midterms to the Left.

I was being "tongue in cheek"; if the Republican Court was truly Political they would have never risked the midterm elections.[/QUOTE

Killing babies because people are too self absorbed to not think before they act, this will take precedent to determine the direction of our nation, if that ends up being true then burn it down! We’re all done ! God help us

[LWW]

So what I’m gathering is, this is all a distraction.

Kamala is screaming that we won’t go back because well she wants a federal gubmit control even though many states will still allow abortions even if over turned.

Basically that’s all she’s good at.

[x-trainer ben]

Since we first took gov/politics in jr high this Roe vs Wade has been shoved down our throats and at that time 99% of us were not having sex!
This thing has been in the making for easily 40 years and each supreme court nominee has been questioned about this very subject more than any other that i can remember.

[thomashenry]

“I mean, so the idea that we’re going to make a judgment that is going to say that no one can make the judgment to choose to abort a “CHILD “ based on a decision by the Supreme Court, I think, goes way overboard”

Even the MORON in chief BIDEN recognized it’s a CHILD, a viable breathing full of hope, wonder, potential, Human being, it’s not a thing it’s a HUMAN

We’re going to let diabolical monsters on par with the likes of Mengele call the shots https://www.vox.com/2019/2/1/1820542...-ralph-northam

[Kilted100]

I have no idea why this is such a big deal. Now states will decide this issue, where it should have been in the first place.
You will still be able to kill millions of babies in California, Washington, Oregon, Illinois, New York, New Jersey and many other states.
There will be plenty of business, groups and celebrities ( actually they never use there money) to pay travel to kill the babies.
I prefer just not to use my tax money for this type of thing. I also don’t believe in using narcan to save drug addicts but hey that’s just me.

[Mark1T]

I have no idea why this is such a big deal. Now states will decide this issue, where it should have been in the first place.
You will still be able to kill millions of babies in California, Washington, Oregon, Illinois, New York, New Jersey and many other states.
There will be plenty of business, groups and celebrities ( actually they never use there money) to pay travel to kill the babies.
I prefer just not to use my tax money for this type of thing. I also don’t believe in using narcan to save drug addicts but hey that’s just me.

The politicians queued the media to turn on the outrage machine to sow more division. Just another weekly crisis.

[USADave85]

Tin foil hat take...there must be a reason that they want to bump the US population.

[Tommy W.]

Worst case scenario abortions will just require a bit of traveling and if you can’t travel it’ll just require some birth control for the woman and her partner which should be the norm regardless.

[DustinTheHuss]

What's sad is in the kiddie Misc. the guys in there constantly talk about raw dogging random sloots on Tinder but you know they would take off once she says she's pregnant.

[Karl_Hungus]

What's sad is in the kiddie Misc. the guys in there constantly talk about raw dogging random sloots on Tinder but you know they would take off once she says she's pregnant.

Maybe it's time to stop hanging out in the kiddie misc.

[TolerantLactose]

And, just like that, horse medication is back on the menu...

[NorwichGrad]

Tin foil hat take...there must be a reason that they want to bump the US population.

Yes and no.

Minorities are waking up. Blacks are leaving the Democratic plantation. This poses a danger to the DNC. So they opened up the borders for votes. So they want to bump the
US population for votes.

On the other hand, agenda 21 and 2030 are real. The globalist criminals want it depopulate. Look at the engineered food shortage. Look at the fires at food processing and fertilizer plants.

[NorwichGrad]

Maybe ... the Supreme Court is apolitical? It was a "Republican" Court that came up with Roe v Wade in the first place.

This year the Republicans were a shoe-in for the mid-terms. If a Republican Court flips Roe v Wade they will be turning the mid-terms over to the Democrats. Therefore SCOTUS must be apolitical?

I read this with an open mind.

And you have a great point. It was indeed the republicans that started roe v Wade. And since then, the republicans have used the abortion issue as a carrot stick to cater to the conservatives and pro-Life libertarians like myself.

With the engineered leak, the left has been energized. This energy is needed by the democrats because they know they’re in trouble at mid terms.

Great analysis.

[NotJtbny]

Its actually about what a woman can do with someone else's body.
I have asked & haven't received an answer as to why it's ok for abortion advocates to kill but if someone causes an accident and a pregnant woman is involved and she dies or if just the fetus dies then the person who caused it can be & have been charged with murder.

Just have to fire up the ole interweb to get that answer Corbs or ask smarter people. But 7 hooked you up below.

Your first sentence is where the entirety of the argument lies. When is it a baby? I don't personally think the moment the sperm and egg join forces constitutes a "baby" but I don't have an answer either.

My thoughts shift around here and I'm w/o a doubt not consistent. Anything past 1 trimester should be off limits except for medical reasons? Possibly. My wife didn't find out she was pregnant with our first until 9 weeks which starts to bump up against that. Because my wife has PCOS her monthly cycle wasn't regular. But like I said before as a man I don't personally feel I have the right to tell a woman what she can/can't do.

I'm all for the states rights on this and most issues. At the very least people can then decide with their dollar where they'd like to live if THIS is their motivator. Banning federally either way takes away the choice for all.

Because like other types of homicide, the states are allowed to determine what does and doesn't qualify as fetal homicide (and not all states have fetal homicide laws); except in the case of abortion (prior to viability), where the federal government has taken that authority away from the states via rulings like Roe v Wade and Planned Parenthood v Casey.

So what appears to be a double standard is actually just a case of State governments and the Federal government having different definitions of what constitutes a human life; and in the case of abortion, federal law trumps state law.