Some quick and painless reading
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35069251/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...QuGkglrYnBhyIg
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Conclusion- higher frequency showed no benefit
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Thread: New frequency study
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02-15-2022, 02:17 PM #1
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02-15-2022, 02:25 PM #2
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02-15-2022, 02:27 PM #3
I'm curious how these studies precisely define "trained individuals," since as we know, the diminishing returns might make a meaningful difference depending upon whether "trained" means early intermediate, or early advanced, for instance.
Only read the abstract as I am at work, in case the definition was buried deeper.Bench: 350
Squat: 405
Deadlift: 505
"... But always, there remained, the discipline of steel!"
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02-15-2022, 02:44 PM #4
As an exercise physiology grad, I learned early that studies sometimes do not sufficiently examine “trained” vs “untrained “ nor do they account for what type of training program folks were taking part in (nor diets and nutrition ) prior to the study.
It’s a good idea for a trainer to to experiment on his own."A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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02-15-2022, 03:12 PM #5
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02-15-2022, 04:07 PM #6
I've always been intrigued with advanced/elite lifters utilizing high frequency in some capacity.
I think the lower bodyweight guys can get away with it more so than heavyweights.
I'm not sure as of late, but I know Alex Kang (equipped IPF lifter) trains squat bench and deadlift 3-4x a week. He has a monster pull too.Email to chat about programming or anything training related : FurtadoZ9@outlook.com
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02-15-2022, 04:53 PM #7
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02-15-2022, 05:10 PM #8
Same here. I just posted this yesterday, frequently calling for adrenal gland response is something not discussed. Even though you train different muscle groups, that demand, that stress, that fight or flight response, day in, day out….it’s going to catch up to you.
I really think the best thing I ever did was this every other day upper/lower +arms split. I’m always recovered and I always have a day off before and after each session which is great for real life responsibilities as well as enthusiasm and higher intensity, higher volume training. It’s easy to say “do more, rest tomorrow “"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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02-15-2022, 05:28 PM #9
Yup exactly. Connective tissue gives out.
The best thing I did was switch to specialization cycles. Bring up 1-2 body parts, maintain everything else for 6 weeks and rotate. I still use upper/lower to program though. I like that setup with weekends off. I just always burnt out with high frequency. Eventually I accepted the fact that I'm not brining up everything at once and gave up on 5-6 day splits.
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02-15-2022, 06:26 PM #10
If I were able to train for longer I would do the same. The only time of day I can train is early morning, so training longer means waking earlier and potentially getting less sleep and/or having less quality time with the Mrs. As it is, 4x per week usually works well, but if I want to push volume I prefer adding a 5th day.
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02-16-2022, 09:05 AM #11
Just a statistics comment.
With N = 13 and N = 8 your probability of detecting an effect that is actually there is very, very small unless the underlying effect of changing training frequency is really large.
This study is way underpowered to study this question
Btw I personally completely agree you could probably easily hit your genetic max on 3-4 days a week in the weight room.The first principle is that you must not fool yourself—and you are the easiest person to fool.
- Richard Feynman
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02-16-2022, 10:52 AM #12
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02-16-2022, 11:10 AM #13
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02-17-2022, 08:11 PM #15
Training 3-4 days a week, workouts get absurdly long eventually which I think eats into recovery more.
If you can fit your volume needs into 3/4 days a week awesome, but a lot of people can’t without creating an absurd amount of systemic fatigue.the latest and greatest in training...or whatever.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=177744461&page=3
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02-17-2022, 11:55 PM #16
I’m usually out in about 1 hr and 15 mins absolute max with spec cycles. So not that bad. If I set up the specialized groups on their own day and had a separate maintenance day I bet I could cut some more time off. I just can’t get motivated for day an arm and calf day lol or a ham and shoulder day.
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02-18-2022, 02:10 AM #17
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