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    New Lyle podcast

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    ^^^ I haven’t watched it yet but I always enjoy Lyle Grump McDonald’s information.
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    Originally Posted by TAWS6 View Post
    https://youtu.be/Gr2ByaitYCU


    ^^^ I haven’t watched it yet but I always enjoy Lyle Grump McDonald’s information.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TAWS6 again.

    Thanks, will watch this one day while working out/cleaning the house or something!
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    Two minutes in and he’s already tearing into the fitness industry lol
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    Listening to it now

    I like what he says about "do as little work you can do and still make progress". I think volume is way overrated, and the idea that you should ramp up volume to try to get close to your maximum recoverable volume is risky. Maybe not as you are novice or even intermediate but as you approach advanced you run into problems with trying to juggle volume in this way.

    Studies showing a dose-response relationship between volume and growth are to my knowledge not done over the long term and will probably not pick up the "risk" part of trying to maintain a large number of hard sets. I suspect that constantly trying to climb towards the upper range of the "optimal" volume range is going to be more risky wrt injuries (both acute and chronic injuries) than just staying in the lower end of the range and very gradually add volume, and I think that's part of what Lyle's touching at with that comment.

    Another thing I've heard him say is that as you get more advanced, you will be able to handle LESS volume, not more - with volume measured as the number of hard sets per body part (the total tonnage will increase of course so measured like that the volume you can handle will increase). That runs contrary to a lot of the current thinking concerning volume but I think it's interesting.

    Edit: He touches on the point in my last paragraph at about 45:00
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    Yeah I think I agree with him on that point. Even late intermediates might need less volume. I mean how much more energy do you have after you do squats with 315 for sets of 5-8? Not much.
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    Originally Posted by TAWS6 View Post
    Yeah I think I agree with him on that point. Even late intermediates might need less volume. I mean how much more energy do you have after you do squats with 315 for sets of 5-8? Not much.
    And most of the critics of that mentality can't lol
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    And most of the critics of that mentality can't lol
    Most people lift 5-6 days a week and piss around in the gym for two hours trying to get their pump on.
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    Originally Posted by TAWS6 View Post
    Most people lift 5-6 days a week and piss around in the gym for two hours trying to get their pump on.
    Sounds like a deload week 😀
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    Sounds like a deload week 😀
    Well real programming is too hard so you know… I need a whole day for my chest and an arm day… maybe a leg day..
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    Someone uploaded this today in the group. If anyone is interested in lyles advanced program here it is. It’s a good setup if you only have 3-4 days to lift. This is what he talks about in the pod.





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    Originally Posted by TAWS6 View Post
    Someone uploaded this today in the group. If anyone is interested in lyles advanced program here it is. It’s a good setup if you only have 3-4 days to lift. This is what he talks about in the pod.
    What forum is this posted in?
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    Originally Posted by TAWS6 View Post
    Someone uploaded this today in the group. If anyone is interested in lyles advanced program here it is. It’s a good setup if you only have 3-4 days to lift. This is what he talks about in the pod.





    Thanks for posting. I strongly consider running this setup for my next bulk.
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    Originally Posted by TAWS6 View Post
    Most people lift 5-6 days a week and piss around in the gym for two hours trying to get their pump on.
    That, or self-style themselves as accomplished experts by meandering around the objective standards of conventional lifts with endless variations.
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    What forum is this posted in?
    You have to squint to see the address bar at the top. It's Lyle's site forum.
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    Thanks for posting. I strongly consider running this setup for my next bulk.
    IMO it would be the next step after Fierce 5 inter/advanced LULPP or phat.
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    Lyle McDonald and Broderick Chavez are two of the best. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nml4jTNDm0

    thats a good one too.
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    Lyle McDonald and Broderick Chavez are two of the best. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nml4jTNDm0

    thats a good one too.
    Yup that was a good one. Both are underrated probably because they are old, ugly and don’t push bs like douchette/nippard/athlean ect.
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    Originally Posted by TAWS6 View Post
    Yup that was a good one. Both are underrated probably because they are old, ugly and don’t push bs like douchette/nippard/athlean ect.
    Also Lyle is kind of a douche :P

    But a douche who very often happens to be right when others are wrong, e.g. I am convinced he is mostly right while Brad Schoenfeld, Mike Israetel, Menno Henselmans etc. are wrong about training volume. Also he was completely right last year calling out Mike in the discussion about going to failure

    I also think his general scepticism towards "sports science" is justified, the field seems like a recipe for a field of science that doesn't properly self-correct: A few authors writing a large part of the literature and can act as "gatekeepers", small study samples, lack of transparency concerning methods, barely anyone doing replication work and so on. This kind of stuff is what lead to a "replication crisis" in psychology in the previous decade.
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    Originally Posted by EiFit91 View Post
    Also Lyle is kind of a douche :P

    But a douche who very often happens to be right when others are wrong, e.g. I am convinced he is mostly right while Brad Schoenfeld, Mike Israetel, Menno Henselmans etc. are wrong about training volume. Also he was completely right last year calling out Mike in the discussion about going to failure

    I also think his general scepticism towards "sports science" is justified, the field seems like a recipe for a field of science that doesn't properly self-correct: A few authors writing a large part of the literature and can act as "gatekeepers", small study samples, lack of transparency concerning methods, barely anyone doing replication work and so on. This kind of stuff is what lead to a "replication crisis" in psychology in the previous decade.
    Exactly. Plus he has no life so he can make it a personal mission to go after people like Brad who push their agenda. The guy can legit reference any study off the top of his head.
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    Originally Posted by EiFit91 View Post
    Also Lyle is kind of a douche :P

    But a douche who very often happens to be right when others are wrong, e.g. I am convinced he is mostly right while Brad Schoenfeld, Mike Israetel, Menno Henselmans etc. are wrong about training volume. Also he was completely right last year calling out Mike in the discussion about going to failure

    I also think his general scepticism towards "sports science" is justified, the field seems like a recipe for a field of science that doesn't properly self-correct: A few authors writing a large part of the literature and can act as "gatekeepers", small study samples, lack of transparency concerning methods, barely anyone doing replication work and so on. This kind of stuff is what lead to a "replication crisis" in psychology in the previous decade.
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    I just watched a pod cast where Brad is now recommending specialization cycles. No more 45 sets/per week I guess. Funny.
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    Originally Posted by TAWS6 View Post
    I just watched a pod cast where Brad is now recommending specialization cycles. No more 45 sets/per week I guess. Funny.
    lol

    Did he at least credit Lyle for the idea?

    Btw thanks Heisman for the reference, tried to rep you but failed...
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    Originally Posted by EiFit91 View Post
    lol

    Did he at least credit Lyle for the idea?

    Btw thanks Heisman for the reference, tried to rep you but failed...
    Of course not. Neither did Layne lol. I think Helms was the only one who gave credit to the old man.
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    Originally Posted by TAWS6 View Post
    Of course not. Neither did Layne lol. I think Helms was the only one who gave credit to the old man.
    Man that's a douchy, and very "unacademic" thing to do.

    Wonder how many people have gotten injured from trying to implement the 45 sets a week thing in practice...

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    Did Brad really recommend 45 sets though? Wasn't it more of a "our study found you can go up to 45 sets!" or something to that effect, but not actually recommended? I'm sure in Brad's books there's no such high volume.
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    Originally Posted by xuerebx View Post
    Did Brad really recommend 45 sets though? Wasn't it more of a "our study found you can go up to 45 sets!" or something to that effect, but not actually recommended? I'm sure in Brad's books there's no such high volume.
    People were definitely mislead by him and quickly found that you can’t do that volume with any kind of intensity. Since then everyone involved has walked it back. The programs in his book are of course 10-20 sets/week.
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    I see. I read all of those shenanigans (the online arguments etc) after the fact, so I only read snippets here and there which led to my earlier conclusion. Perhaps also because I'm a bit biased against Lyle in terms of how aggressive he gets and in my opinion he seems to misinterpret what others say (at least in his Facebook group) to a certain extent, focusing on specific sentences rather than the crux of the argument, and then going off a tangent.
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