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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    Well as a guy who spars in the R+P on the regular, you all are tame and polite compared to my daily battles, so ty for being civilized.
    There they insult you first, you make a real point with links, and they continue to insult.
    It is no longer what it was intended to be, which was a place for civilized, calm, rational, unemotional, debate on current events.

    Remember the old phrase agre to disagree?
    I don't know what the R+P is, but this forum is like Sunday School compared to some of the atheism/agnosticism boards of old, or the most cut throat of any forum ever: Christian Bowhunting.
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    Originally Posted by supramax View Post
    I don't know what the R+P is, but this forum is like Sunday School compared to some of the atheism/agnosticism boards of old, or the most cut throat of any forum ever: Christian Bowhunting.
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    Christian Bowhunting? Is that your porn name?
    The forum closed about two decades ago. Your question is stupid.
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    Originally Posted by Corbi View Post
    Biden wants to undermine the elections and is claiming if his election reform stuff isn't passed then we can't guarantee election results.....wait what? So since it hasn't been passed does that mean 2020 was illegitimate? And we will never agree on 1/6 as you feel democracy was ready to fall & all I saw were people milling about taking selfies and posing for pictures. Democracy was never in doubt, the election wasn't going to be subverted, the clowns weren't even armed. And Trump is on tape saying "peacefully go protest".
    Originally Posted by Corbi View Post
    What did you expect him to do? Launch a nuke at Saudi? Kidnap and kill a crown prince? Look we all know the Saudis are evil bastards but we as a country have an alliance with them that is mutually beneficial, it's the old saying of keeping your enemies closer than your friends. And not all journalists care, remember most countries aren't like us & they don't have a supposed freedom of speech, and even ours can be debated since so many platforms love to cut off those on the right that they don't agree with.
    I understand your argument but you're right we won't agree here.

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    I took JT's "suck a dik" comment as a joke, I joked about it and I even teased Tater about it and even he didn't take it serious.

    I don't take many things seriously and politics is definitely not one of them. It's fun to joke about it and read others comments but never would I fight someone over it or be hurt by someone's comments. At the end of the day it means nothing. People have been arguing politics for eons, nothing has changed and it never will.
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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    I took JT's "suck a dik" comment as a joke, I joked about it and I even teased Tater about it and even he didn't take it serious.

    I don't take many things seriously and politics is definitely not one of them. It's fun to joke about it and read others comments but never would I fight someone over it or be hurt by someone's comments. At the end of the day it means nothing. People have been arguing politics for eons, nothing has changed and it never will.
    I say it tongue and cheek but really couldn't care less if some get upset about it. It's just locker room talk
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    Originally Posted by Karl_Hungus View Post
    Agree. It is completely ridiculous. I strongly disagree with some of the voting choices people make, but I am not going to tell them to "suck a dik" because of it. People get too worked up over this sh!t.

    Trump has made that exact same gesture repeatedly when making fun of the non-handicapped, so he wasn't specifically mocking the man's disability. There is a difference between making fun of a person who happens to be handicapped and making fun of the person's handicap.
    It just baffles me how folks take it out on the person who supports the candidate like "How can you support him? you are fcking stupid or dumb or an idiot" I mean fck its the person choice. I don't care who support Biden that's their choice, I don't agree with them, but hell I am not upset at them for it, its fcking ridiculous.

    Originally Posted by Oceanside View Post
    this place is like watching fox news, its just constantly belaboring the same material day after day, week after week, etc etc

    I don't take offense to John saying that ....

    I think it's kind of funny actually
    I don't take offense to it online, my point is if John, you or anyone tells me to my face "Suck my dick" you are getting punched in the face, period. Thats fcking disrespectful and I demand respect in my presence. We might disagree on it, but that is just how I feel, respect is earned.

    Originally Posted by Jtbny View Post
    Guess I have a strong disdain for leaders trying to tear down our country and undermine our elections and the people who follow them while screaming about their "rights" and the "Constitution" as they attempt to stop the certification of the election by having their frat party at our nations Capitol looking to stop the peaceful transfer of power. I said AFTER 1/6 which was AFTER the election? That's not support for a politician that's support to a traitor. I couldn't care less who anyone votes for as I think all politicians are slime balls - I even wrote that above. Damned either way, IMO.

    Well I don't ever talk politics or religion in the "real world" so I'd never know unless it was brought up. I just find those topics to be boring generally. But knowing someone was a supporter of his on and after 1/6 I'd likely not have you in my circle to begin with.

    Don't know if that clears up my own personal position or not. I'm not the best at expressing myself via text.
    I understand what you are saying, that you don't like Trumps stance, who he is what he stand for ect, I don't care about that that is your opinion. My point is, you are saying ANYONE who supports him (regardless of when they start supporting him) can suck your dick. You know me, we are, at least I think we are, friends and for you to say that it is directly at me becuase you know all too well I still support him.

    So I am just saying, lets say we were out chilling and we start talking politics and you say "Damn John how do you still support that piece of **** is beyond me" I could understand that and I would probably answer with yeah but I support becuase xxx. But if we were hanging out and you said "You still support that piece of ****? You can suck my dick" We would be in a physical altercation immediately. Like yeah hate the candidate but don't disrespect folks who disagree with you, that sh!t is weak.
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    I understand what you are saying, that you don't like Trumps stance, who he is what he stand for ect, I don't care about that that is your opinion. My point is, you are saying ANYONE who supports him (regardless of when they start supporting him) can suck your dick. You know me, we are, at least I think we are, friends and for you to say that it is directly at me becuase you know all too well I still support him.

    So I am just saying, lets say we were out chilling and we start talking politics and you say "Damn John how do you still support that piece of **** is beyond me" I could understand that and I would probably answer with yeah but I support becuase xxx. But if we were hanging out and you said "You still support that piece of ****? You can suck my dick" We would be in a physical altercation immediately. Like yeah hate the candidate but don't disrespect folks who disagree with you, that sh!t is weak.
    Couple things;

    I didn't say "suck my dik" I said "suk a dik"

    I also made the distinction of supporting Trump after 1/6 you added in the regardless of when they start supporting him. Clear distinction in my mind. My "red line" is 1/6. Some can feel it was not that big a deal, which I think is completely wrong, and that's their right I guess. But, to me, it's about as Unamerican as one can be. Has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with undermining our democracy and weakening our country.

    You're framing what I said incorrectly and then arguing things I'm not even saying. Maybe I'm not making my point very well, IDK.

    And you're right I love you like a brother, you're a good man. I think you're looking too much into it.
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    Your question is stupid.
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    I agree. Somewhere, there is a concept between accountability and responsibility that applies here. It is probably a philosophical distinction that I am not capable of verbalizing.



    Here is a question, and I really want to hear as many opinions on this as I can:

    Why is there no anti-war movement in America?

    What changed? How did we stay in two wars in Asia for 20 years?
    No anti-war movement in America like she did in the 60s because Americans have been conditioned to accept wars as the norm.

    America has been at war over 95% of the time since 1913. And you know the significance of that year.

    It used to be The War Department. Then it was changed to The Department of Defense.

    Americans in the 40s and 50s celebrated ENDING wars, now depending on the sock puppet's color, Americans will support that color out of blind loyalty. Classical Liberals of the 60s would disapprove of all wars waged by red team Bush and blue team Obama and now Biden. I am leaving Trump out of this particular topic because I give him credit for NOT opening any new fronts.

    At any rate, many Americans on both sides have been proven to be easily feared into compliance. Just look at the pandemic fiasco where many gave up their RIGHTS out of fear. Similarly, Americans have been brainwashed into thinking our FREEDOMS are hiding in the caves of A-stan, and they have been brainwashed into thinking going to war with China over Taiwan, and going to war with Russia over Ukraine will preserve the imaginary freedoms that sadly no longer exist.

    This why the anti-war movement is GONE. That movement died with the Republic.

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    Couple things;

    I didn't say suck my dik I said suk a dik

    I also made the distinction of supporting Trump after 1/6 you added in the regardless of when they start supporting him. Clear distinction in my mind. My red line is 1/6. Some can feel it was not that big a deal, which I think is completely wrong, and that's their right I guess. But, to me, it's about as Unamerican as one can be. Has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with undermining our democracy and weakening our country.

    You're framing what I said incorrectly and then arguing things I'm not even saying. Maybe I'm not making my point very well, IDK.


    And you're right I love you like a brother, you're a good man. I think you're looking too much into it.
    LOL I think I understand what you are saying, I just think that word Suck a dick or suck my dick should never be said to another man, jokingly or not. Typically when a man says that to another man is one the most disrespectful things that can be said


    Years ago when my son was roughly 12 or 13, he told an old OG a guy who had some bodies on him, a real serious fcking guy to suck his dick and he told my son the only reason he did not put my son 6 feet under was because he was my son. He approached me about the incident and I pulled my son to the side and had a long talk to him about respect in the streets I made my son apologize to the guy, but I told him you shake his hand firm, you look him right in his eye and make sure your apology is sincere.
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    Even though some of us get in little quarrels, this place is very civil compared to social media like Twitter and Facebook, but Twitter especially.

    Twitter is spontaneous hate with massive Group Think on both sides. People let politics control their thoughts and actions there and they have no clue or don't care that they are being intentionally influenced by the media to hate and divide. That is where the money is. There is no news if there are no problems and issues.

    So, the media has to create issues and the cancerous The View as an example takes a simple matter and instead of discussing it, they try their best to go overboard and threaten people and yell and scream at people who disagree. It's all part of a massive effort to instill hate and division.

    About 6 years ago I was caught up in it and then it dawned on me that this is what our governments and political parties want, so I stopped. I argue, but not to the death and I stop myself.

    The future of politics is dismal and we are forever a divided nation of hate. We used to not judge each other for our political beliefs to the death, but we fight for nt judging people for their skin color, as it is ignorant. Yet, we judge each other for our political beliefs - equally ignorant.

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    Originally Posted by bodyhard View Post
    LOL I think I understand what you are saying, I just think that word Suck a dick or suck my dick should never be said to another man, jokingly or not. Typically when a man says that to another man is one the most disrespectful things that can be said


    Years ago when my son was roughly 12 or 13, he told an old OG a guy who had some bodies on him, a real serious fcking guy to suck his dick and he told my son the only reason he did not put my son 6 feet under was because he was my son. He approached me about the incident and I pulled my son to the side and had a long talk to him about respect in the streets I made my son apologize to the guy, but I told him you shake his hand firm, you look him right in his eye and make sure your apology is sincere.
    What i am reading from your post and his is that there is a real difference in how that phrase is interpreted in different situations.
    In your area it means something much worse and in his, it is thrown around like many other insults.
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    Since this thread has morphed into munching penors.



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    I don't know what the R+P is, but this forum is like Sunday School compared to some of the atheism/agnosticism boards of old, or the most cut throat of any forum ever: Christian Bowhunting.
    Religion and Politics argument forum.
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    Even though some of us get in little quarrels, this place is very civil compared to social media like Twitter and Facebook, but Twitter especially.

    Twitter is spontaneous hate with massive Group Think on both sides. People let politics control their thoughts and actions there and they have no clue or don't care that they are being intentionally influenced by the media to hate and divide. That is where the money is. There is no news if there are no problems and issues.

    So, the media has to create issues and the cancerous The View as an example takes a simple matter and instead of discussing it, they try their best to go overboard and threaten people and yell and scream at people who disagree. It's all part of a massive effort to instill hate and division.

    About 6 years ago I was caught up in it and then it dawned on me that this is what our governments and political parties want, so I stopped. I argue, but not to the death and I stop myself.

    The future of politics is dismal and we are forever a divided nation of hate. We used to not judge each other for our political beliefs to the death, but we fight for nt judging people for their skin color, as it is ignorant. Yet, we judge each other for our political beliefs - equally ignorant.

    We are all fukked.
    Why so optimistic?

    I think we are fine. Social media is a bullhorn for the minority but going on it you'd think the country was already shooting cannonballs at each other over at Fort Sumter. Everyday people really don't care about all this crap. It's the small vocal wings of the parties that get the attention and the algorithms that feed the frenzy. My Twitter looks way different than yours but I follow a few stock guys, sports, and a couple females with big boobs. I don't engage in much else on any platform (except with you guys here but we can actually converse).
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    Religion and Politics argument forum.
    That explains it. I posted religious cartoons on the joke thread here and I got death wishes. People are tamer on the forum when it comes to politics and I contend that it's because even Trumps (albeit deluded ) supporters see him for what he is.
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    In the end it don’t matter who you like, that person can only serve 8 years.

    But it don’t matter anyway they are all related to Obama’s grandfather.

    Trump can only serve 4 years now, so what, It is foolish to believe Hillary that 4 years America will be a different place, it already is...........
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    Originally Posted by supramax View Post
    That explains it. I posted religious cartoons on the joke thread here and I got death wishes. People are tamer on the forum when it comes to politics and I contend that it's because even Trumps (albeit deluded ) supporters see him for what he is.
    Well it used to be a debate on training styles around here, now it is what some call a "cultish", loyalist, following.
    i just vote every 2 years , do a little research and hope for the best. State and city decisions have more of a direct impact on me than Federal.
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    Originally Posted by Jtbny View Post
    Why so optimistic?

    I think we are fine. Social media is a bullhorn for the minority but going on it you'd think the country was already shooting cannonballs at each other over at Fort Sumter. Everyday people really don't care about all this crap. It's the small vocal wings of the parties that get the attention and the algorithms that feed the frenzy. My Twitter looks way different than yours but I follow a few stock guys, sports, and a couple females with big boobs. I don't engage in much else on any platform (except with you guys here but we can actually converse).
    Ok, yeah, sometimes I forget about the real world But, on Twitter, I don't follow those quacks, they just come up from connections "liking" or commenting on a post/tweet and they are nuts.

    Agreed those minority kooks do get a lot of attention.
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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    Well it used to be a debate on training styles around here, now it is what some call a "cultish", loyalist, following.
    i just vote every 2 years , do a little research and hope for the best. State and city decisions have more of a direct impact on me than Federal.
    these last few years have brought to light how important State and local elections are and just not just Presidential
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    Don’t ever forget there are people and countries that will kill its people for listening to music.

    Back in the late 80s Frank Zappa was the Ambassabor of Czech Rebulic in trade with US, during this time Russians had to smuggle Zappa records into the country and if caught with Zappa record were beaten.

    Bob Doyle famous words “you can do business with Zappa or USA which will it be” to the Czech........

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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    What i am reading from your post and his is that there is a real difference in how that phrase is interpreted in different situations.
    In your area it means something much worse and in his, it is thrown around like many other insults.
    You made be right as I know for sure, I come from a totally different background and what I might find as a total disrespect others might not.

    For example here in the hood we all use the N word and I mean everybody, white, black, Spanish, etc and no one bats an eye. It is use as just a word like my bro. However I find that in other areas it is seen as a racist term.

    My BIL Jay Jay is white white, with blonde hair and blue eyes and freckles on his shoulders, but he uses the N word in his vocabulary regularly and around blacks and Hispanic and no one sees anything wrong with it.

    My brother Nelson moved out of NY to live in Ohio, he used the word and got into a fight with a black guy at work and almost lost his job, they told him that word can not be used becuase it is a racist word, he was confused, but when in Rome.

    So in this sense maybe saying suck a dick or suck my dick is just trash talking, but in the Bronx you say that you better be ready to fight or worst get shot.
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    My brother Nelson moved out of NY to live in Ohio, he used the word and got into a fight with a black guy at work and almost lost his job,
    In Georgia, a white guy using the N word will fetch violence. As far as I know, pretty much 100% of the time.
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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    Well it used to be a debate on training styles around here, now it is what some call a "cultish", loyalist, following.
    i just vote every 2 years , do a little research and hope for the best. State and city decisions have more of a direct impact on me than Federal.
    Same here. The municipally elected are the ones that can stop *******s from putting a road through a forest.
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    putting a road through a forest.
    I see this as a perverted comment, especially as I’m stuck in the 80s........
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    Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    I see this as a perverted comment, especially as I’m stuck in the 80s........
    It's molestation in its purest form.
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    I see this as a perverted comment, especially as I’m stuck in the 80s........

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    Originally Posted by eomrat View Post
    In Georgia, a white guy using the N word will fetch violence. As far as I know, pretty much 100% of the time.
    I am sure it will, but more importantly can a black person get away with calling a white guy a white boy?

    Again here in NY these words are used, for example Patty's brother is known as white boy jay, we have a few friends called Ray, one of them is black and we call him Black ray another friend of ours, was crippled in his right side from an accident he had and and we called him cripple Louie, his brother was known a F@gg0t Louie and we had a friend who was wheelchair bound because he was shot, may he RIP he just died this month, we call him Jose in the wheelchair.
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