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    Mine was worse....
    How was the weather(snow), the shortage of truck drivers and staff to load the trailers may have had an impact on this.
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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    How was the weather(snow), the shortage of truck drivers and staff to load the trailers may have had an impact on this.
    ZERO...Michigan has had CHIT for snow....there is no rhyme or reason as to why
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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    Are you guys seeing this in your area?
    Not at all....

    Other than higher grade beef prices still being a little ridicules, everything in San Diego is back to normal, as far as I can tell.
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    Everything is back to normal.




    There is no food shortage... just supply chain bottlenecks and people who listen to the media and actually believe it (sad).







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    Originally Posted by OutdoorsBrah View Post
    Everything is back to normal.




    There is no food shortage... just supply chain bottlenecks and people who listen to the media and actually believe it (sad).







    The sky isn't falling, go back outside and live your life.
    Ya I'm not seeing any shortages in my area of NY. Friday - Wegmans/Wal-Mart were normal. Yesterday Trader Joes was normal. Where in the US is this happening?
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    Where do you live, there are issues for many places and many products. Weather, availability, supplies like aluminum cans (red bull), sick truck delivery drivers, sick staff stocking.
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    Originally Posted by OutdoorsBrah View Post
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    There is no food shortage... just supply chain bottlenecks and people who listen to the media and actually believe it (sad).







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    Originally Posted by Jtbny View Post
    Ya I'm not seeing any shortages in my area of NY. Friday - Wegmans/Wal-Mart were normal. Yesterday Trader Joes was normal. Where in the US is this happening?
    Ours seems to be back to normal now more or less. Now they are having an over abundance of high end meat wherever they keep that. Evidently Chicago vaccine mandate reduced restaurant needs for meat by 80+%. It was on news radio the other day, guy was saying that it’s primarily high end cuts that are not sold in stores and that people wouldn’t pay to cook at home for fear of ruining $24/lb steak. They are running out of storage space. Hope they sell it cheap I’ll buy some cases of premium cuts of aged steaks for summer grilling.
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    Originally Posted by Plateauplower View Post
    Ours seems to be back to normal now more or less. Now they are having an over abundance of high end meat wherever they keep that. Evidently Chicago vaccine mandate reduced restaurant needs for meat by 80+%. It was on news radio the other day, guy was saying that it’s primarily high end cuts that are not sold in stores and that people wouldn’t pay to cook at home for fear of ruining $24/lb steak. They are running out of storage space. Hope they sell it cheap I’ll buy some cases of premium cuts of aged steaks for summer grilling.
    I hope we have that issue soon, i have freezer space and meat is overpriced.
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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    Where do you live, there are issues for many places and many products. Weather, availability, supplies like aluminum cans (red bull), sick truck delivery drivers, sick staff stocking.
    Life is being lived, but it now requires more than 1 store.
    Aluminum shortage is global. Not sure why. I had to wait 8 months for some aluminum breathing air cylinders I had on order for work. Kept getting emails from my rep at the company that they literally cannot source raw materials.
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    Originally Posted by Plateauplower View Post
    Aluminum shortage is global. Not sure why. I had to wait 8 months for some aluminum breathing air cylinders I had on order for work. Kept getting emails from my rep at the company that they literally cannot source raw materials.
    Ahh so that explains the issue, thanks.
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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    Ahh so that explains the issue, thanks.
    Kind of makes me wonder where it is going. Aluminum is one of things that is far cheaper to recycle than to mine. I think more people recycle aluminum in general. Where is it all going? Fauci and Pfizer making some aluminum robocop AIs for the door to door vaccine injections or something? Or maybe it’s from all the hats being made
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    Originally Posted by Plateauplower View Post
    Kind of makes me wonder where it is going. Aluminum is one of things that is far cheaper to recycle than to mine. I think more people recycle aluminum in general. Where is it all going? Fauci and Pfizer making some aluminum robocop AIs for the door to door vaccine injections or something? Or maybe it’s from all the hats being made
    The Chinese produce a large percentage of the worlds Aluminum. Green energy initiatives in China have made Aluminum much more expensive and difficult to produce.
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    The Chinese produce a large percentage of the worlds Aluminum. Green energy initiatives in China have made Aluminum much more expensive and difficult to produce.
    I wasn’t even aware China was actually trying to do anything green, other than lip service to placate other governments. They run a lot the country’s energy supply on the dirtiest types of coal available and the air pollution makes it look like dusk all day in some of the pictures I’ve seen.
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    the air pollution makes it look like dusk all day.
    That's what my brother in law said. He works for John Deere and has been to China for business. They were wearing masks in public 10 years ago.
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    I wasn’t even aware China was actually trying to do anything green, other than lip service to placate other governments.
    China leads the world, in almost every category, in Clean Energy use, production, and development. They consider it an economic issue, unlike the US that primarily considers it a Public Health or Social Justice issue.

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    They run a lot the country’s energy supply on the dirtiest types of coal available and the air pollution makes it look like dusk all day in some of the pictures I’ve seen.
    Correct.

    The Chinese are also aware of the problem with fossil fuels and have estimated that air, soil, and water pollution cost the nation around 6.5% of their GDP. Therefore, they have invested heavily in Clean Energy. In fact, they lead the world in Clean Energy investment. Their spending on CE projects nearly doubles ours, both our public AND our private investment.

    China has over 3X's the hydroelectric production of the US. They lead the world in hydroelectric energy production and development.

    China leads the world in Solar and Wind electrical generation, technologies that the Chinese consider a temporary, partial solution at best. Unlike in the US, where so many people think wind and solar are the final answer.

    China leads the world in Electric High Speed rail.

    China leads the world in Electric Vehicle usage. They use EV vs FF at over 400% the rate of the US.

    I could go on and on. It is hard to find any area related to long term economic development that the Chinese are not out-investing us in. Anyone who thinks that the Chinese are just stupidly cranking out cheap junk for the US consumer market should look again.
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    Originally Posted by eomrat View Post
    China leads the world, in almost every category, in Clean Energy use, production, and development. They consider it an economic issue, unlike the US that primarily considers it a Public Health or Social Justice issue.



    Correct.

    The Chinese are also aware of the problem with fossil fuels and have estimated that air, soil, and water pollution cost the nation around 6.5% of their GDP. Therefore, they have invested heavily in Clean Energy. In fact, they lead the world in Clean Energy investment. Their spending on CE projects nearly doubles ours, both our public AND our private investment.

    China has over 3X's the hydroelectric production of the US. They lead the world in hydroelectric energy production and development.

    China leads the world in Solar and Wind electrical generation, technologies that the Chinese consider a temporary, partial solution at best. Unlike in the US, where so many people think wind and solar are the final answer.

    China leads the world in Electric High Speed rail.

    China leads the world in Electric Vehicle usage. They use EV vs FF at over 400% the rate of the US.

    I could go on and on. It is hard to find any area related to long term economic development that the Chinese are not out-investing us in. Anyone who thinks that the Chinese are just stupidly cranking out cheap junk for the US consumer market should look again.
    Wow had no idea other than production and development. I did watch a documentary on their hydroelectric. They have a lot of natural geology / topography that makes that an easy decision, but they have had some major dam failures, and IIRC some of their older hydro generation facilities are needing major reinvestment or they will fail catastrophically and wipe out everything downstream. I guess with population density they have they need to do something for the long term. A bit concerning honestly, especially as we give up on projects that would have reduced our foreign dependence in the energy sector.
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    That's what my brother in law said. He works for John Deere and has been to China for business. They were wearing masks in public 10 years ago.
    Yep I work with a guy that grew up somewhere in the east (Singapore maybe?) and same thing, they have wore masks for a long time due to particulate. He went back a few years ago and said being outside your mask gets dirty by the end of the day and oily muck comes off your skin and hair in the shower. That’s not good. Then again, there aren’t many places where you can eat game fish here due to biomagnification of mercury, which is also from particulate from older coal plants. Newer plants with scrubbers are actually pretty “clean” but more expensive to operate and maintain.
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    particulate from older coal plants. Newer plants with scrubbers are actually pretty “clean” but more expensive to operate and maintain.
    I went to Southern Illinois Univ Carbondale. There was a coal plant on campus that heated water to heat about 5000 dorm rooms through radiators. That coal plant was the most polluting coal plant in the state of Illinois at that time. They must have pulled some strings with Senator Paul Simon and the EPA to stay in operation. Early 80's.
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    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    I went to Southern Illinois Univ Carbondale. There was a coal plant on campus that heated water to heat about 5000 dorm rooms through radiators. That coal plant was the most polluting coal plant in the state of Illinois at that time. They must have pulled some strings with Senator Paul Simon and the EPA to stay in operation. Early 80's.
    No doubt the state schools get some favors. Did they still have the big Halloween bash when you went? Neat area down there, should build a wall somewhere near Springfield and Southern IL should join Kentucky or rename itself Lincolnland or something. Everything is better on that end of the state. There’s a really old volcano down there you can see on topo maps or even google earth if you know where to look. It’s subtle but can still make out what was the base of the cone. A guy that retired a couple years ago had land down there. Knew all kinds of interesting stuff about the area.
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    Did they still have the big Halloween bash when you went? .
    I was there for 5 Halloweens. 4 official and the last one was unoffcial.

    They blocked off about 2 miles of streets in the entertainment districts. They brought in carnival rides, allowed beer to be sold on the streets, and there were all sort of food and trinket vendors everywhere. Every quarter mile or so there would be a stage with live bands playing all night. Every year one or two people would die. Fall from a height or pedestrian/vehicle collision. Probably 40,000 people in attendance.

    The last year it was cancelled. Nothing official was happening. I lived 3 blocks away from the entertainment district. On Friday afternoon I remember seeing a parking lot that was completely filled with state police vehicles. In the middle of the lot was one of those riot vehicles that has a turret in the center to give out free samples of tear gas.

    We would have a keg party every other weekend. Our neighbors coordinated with us and would have a keg party when we were not. We were having a party and around 2am all hell broke loose outside. Sirens, tear gas, cars getting flipped over, a mob, troopers on loudspeakers. We kept our front door shut to keep the tear gas out. But nobody died that year.
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    The US has become way too dependent upon importing, especially from China. I personally avoid buying products made in China.
    Yup. There's enough farm land in the US to feed everyone on earth. The problem as with everything is greed.
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    Yup. There's enough farm land in the US to feed everyone on earth. The problem as with everything is greed.
    A new problem with farming is they are becoming dependent on the Internet from everything to taking purchase orders to the online farming equipment.

    Very scary............
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    A new problem with farming is they are becoming dependent on the Internet from everything to taking purchase orders to the online farming equipment.

    Very scary............
    The price of nitrogen fertilizer has doubled in the last 14 months. That's something I follow, since there is a nitrogen fertilizer division of a refinery 3 miles directly east of my house. Corn requires a lot of nitrogen.
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    China leads the world, in almost every category, in Clean Energy use, production, and development. They consider it an economic issue, unlike the US that primarily considers it a Public Health or Social Justice issue.



    Correct.

    The Chinese are also aware of the problem with fossil fuels and have estimated that air, soil, and water pollution cost the nation around 6.5% of their GDP. Therefore, they have invested heavily in Clean Energy. In fact, they lead the world in Clean Energy investment. Their spending on CE projects nearly doubles ours, both our public AND our private investment.

    China has over 3X's the hydroelectric production of the US. They lead the world in hydroelectric energy production and development.

    China leads the world in Solar and Wind electrical generation, technologies that the Chinese consider a temporary, partial solution at best. Unlike in the US, where so many people think wind and solar are the final answer.

    China leads the world in Electric High Speed rail.

    China leads the world in Electric Vehicle usage. They use EV vs FF at over 400% the rate of the US.

    I could go on and on. It is hard to find any area related to long term economic development that the Chinese are not out-investing us in. Anyone who thinks that the Chinese are just stupidly cranking out cheap junk for the US consumer market should look again.





    Mark Z from FB desperately wants China business, FB wants Internet regulations and Mark has gone to the lengths to even let China leader name his unborn child, what a creep................

    How do people use his platform and feel good is beyond me.
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    The price of nitrogen fertilizer has doubled in the last 14 months. That's something I follow, since there is a nitrogen fertilizer division of a refinery 3 miles directly east of my house. Corn requires a lot of nitrogen.
    Phosphorus is a nonrenewable resource. They had this issue figured out in the 1500s though with crop rotations. Corn takes a lot of nitrogen/phosphorus but if soybeans are planted the following year they will help replenish. Nobody wants to plant something that will make less $/acre though, and if its cheaper to amend the soil to grow a higher profit crop that's what is gonna happen.
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    Originally Posted by Plateauplower View Post
    Phosphorus is a nonrenewable resource. They had this issue figured out in the 1500s though with crop rotations. Corn takes a lot of nitrogen/phosphorus but if soybeans are planted the following year they will help replenish. Nobody wants to plant something that will make less $/acre though, and if its cheaper to amend the soil to grow a higher profit crop that's what is gonna happen.
    I'm betting on an increase is soybean production, at least regionally. A company related to Cargill is building a $325,000,000 soybean processing facility about 9 miles north of my town. Some of the end product is animal food, other is human food, and the remainder is for renewable fuel (bio-diesel). The refinery 3 miles from my house makes diesel, and that bean processing plant will provide the feedstock. The refinery is also making a conversion to produce bio-diesel. The local railroad got a $40,000,000 grant to upgrade their rail lines too, to accommodate the extra rail car traffic. The people that come from out of state to do the work will need a place to stay. That's where I fit in with my rental houses.
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