Bret or Shawn?

[EidFnatic]

No shawn was keeping the house show attendances steady. its proven that shawn was a bigger draw. In Canada sure bret was a draw but the US market is the key one.

Bret wasnt worth his contract and then bombed in wcw.

Im from England, you prick, John Cena nutriding knobhead. Bret was king in Europe.

[EidFnatic]

Don't most people think the Montreal Screw Job was a work?

No.

[AmuroRay]

Im from England, you prick, John Cena nutriding knobhead. Bret was king in Europe.

Shawn was the bigger draw overall. That is a fact.

[Murph0408]

Also he never did anything truly outrageous. Yeah, he was a drugged up dick and played backstage politics and bullied others to keep his spot, but all of that is pretty harmless compared to a lot of backstage stuff from wrestling. Stone Cold beat his wife and a lot of others did way more brutal bullying and hazing than Michaels. Hell Jimmy Snuka likely murdered his girlfriend and is still in the Hall of Fame.

fair to say although i also consider this. shawn was vince's pick. he was his favorite for years. so obviously, that breeds a hell of a lot of jealousy in the back. Michaels himself talks plenty about his problems and background but i try to just take some of the podcast/shoot interview stuff with a grain of salt. or at the very least, when comparing legacies, i leave that stuff out of it.

Shawn was the bigger draw overall. That is a fact.

once you factor in the second half of his career - which i still feel like is being grossly overlooked ITT, it was fantastic - you have to give the "draw" edge to Shawn. Tickets, merch etc. go look at the mid 00's crowds wearing DX merchandise. as silly as some of that stuff was it was the hottest act they had.

bret was just done by that point so it's hard to compare. i'm sure he was the bigger ticket internationally when he was in his prime. but for example....WM26 was entirely about michaels. everyone knew he was retiring. the place had 70k+ plus in the house, the emotions were high, and he delivered. what a way to go out. bret never got the opportunity so maybe it isn't fair, but i give the "business" edge to shawn because of how he closed things out and how popular he was late in his career.

[JoeDelts]

No.

You'd think these guys would know a work when they see one










https://www.si.com/wrestling/2017/11...job-conspiracy

I only know about this because on Darkside of the Ring Scott Hall says it was a work but that video's not on YouTube.

[Deathstroke]

You'd think these guys would know a work when they see one










https://www.si.com/wrestling/2017/11...job-conspiracy

I only know about this because on Darkside of the Ring Scott Hall says it was a work but that video's not on YouTube.

Scott Hall is drunk. He wasn’t there at the time he was in wcw…. Getting drunk af

[marinevet63031]

Bret is better than Shawn without question. Just all around more superior in the ring.

[ChunkBuster]

Bret is better than Shawn without question. Just all around more superior in the ring.

It’s not just about in ring technical ability. There’s no doubt that Bret was better there. He had zero charisma though.

[ChunkBuster]

Show me a better Bret promo or segment than this:

[Deathstroke]

It’s not just about in ring technical ability. There’s no doubt that Bret was better there. He had zero charisma though.

Let’s be honest Bret had charisma/it. Zero charisma describes Dean Malenko, Lance Storm or Steve Blackman. Charisma isn’t an over the top mic skill, it’s what makes fans care about you and everyone cares about Bret he commanded and captured peoples attention and had them all emotionally invested in his work face, and heel. Shawn had a flashier personality and was a better talker, but Bret was no dry wall or charisma vacuum.

[Murph0408]

Let’s be honest Bret had charisma/it. Zero charisma describes Dean Malenko, Lance Storm or Steve Blackman. Charisma isn’t an over the top mic skill, it’s what makes fans care about you and everyone cares about Bret he commanded and captured peoples attention and had them all emotionally invested in his work face, and heel. Shawn had a flashier personality and was a better talker, but Bret was no dry wall or charisma vacuum.

agreed on this. you can't go too far and say bret couldn't talk or had no charisma. that's just not true. i thought a lot of bret's mic work as a heel was 10/10. he made you believe. angry bitter bret hart was a fantastic heel and he spoke with sincerity

[yieldtonothing]

It’s not just about in ring technical ability. There’s no doubt that Bret was better there. He had zero charisma though.

Prancing around like a fruit =/= charisma




You fruit

[Nacured]

I prefer Michaels but just thought of why Bret was legitimately better than him...The Simpsons never asked old balding HBK to guest star on their show now did they.

Although Bret's Simpsons guest star appearance was good...but the best wrestling animation cross over easily goes to Hulk Hogan on American Dad. When The Hulkster and Stan clear house while Real American plays!

[ChunkBuster]

Prancing around like a fruit =/= charisma




You fruit

I’m talking the comeback hbk. I never liked is first run.















Mark

[wings_unhinged]

Prancing around like a fruit =/= charisma




You fruit

Loved it when they used to turn down the lights/cameras as soon as Shawn was about to show little Timmy in the front row his penis on Monday Night Raw

[yieldtonothing]

I’m talking the comeback hbk. I never liked is first run.















Mark

second run doesn't count because it came at a time when nobody gave a fuk about the business. the rock was long gone.

everyone talking about his second run seems feeble and foolish. it didn't matter.

[Vpac]

Bret easily. Was more popular than Shawn, is still more popular and even more respected. Shawn was only good for 2-3 years around 93-96. But he never had a 'great' match with any upcoming wrestlers. All his best matches were with Taker, Bret, etc who were already amazing at their graft. His return after back surgery wasn't anything special. Bret was at his peak from 91-97 and if he didn't get hurt, he would have been back at WWE still having amazing matches. You can watch every match of his on PPV now and still find it entertaining and real.

[ChunkBuster]

Bret easily. Was more popular than Shawn, is still more popular and even more respected. Shawn was only good for 2-3 years around 93-96. But he never had a 'great' match with any upcoming wrestlers. All his best matches were with Taker, Bret, etc who were already amazing at their graft. His return after back surgery wasn't anything special. Bret was at his peak from 91-97 and if he didn't get hurt, he would have been back at WWE still having amazing matches. You can watch every match of his on PPV now and still find it entertaining and real.

Come on 🤔🤦‍♂️

That’s laughable to be honest.

[JUSA]

Come on 🤔🤦‍♂️

That’s laughable to be honest.

I don't share that opinion BUT to make the argument, it was in a weird fluxtime for WWF, between the highs of the attitude era and the Cena-era. Plus, a lot of that run was mired by being attached to HHH with the DX-revival stuff. Awful chit, they buried people, some horsechit 'comedy' thrown in. A very selfish run that gave us nothing interesting or exciting and just buried everyone involved with it.

Sure, when compared to the absolute dreck modern WWE is letting ooze out of their anus here in 2022, it might not seem bad at all - but Bret, even at his lowest point in WCW, was never attached to anything that godawful.

I do disagree, though. The programs with Jericho and Hogan had a lot of merit and entertainment to them.