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02-04-2022, 06:35 AM #181"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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02-04-2022, 06:52 AM #182
You did hear me explain that I wouldn’t lock out in an effort to keep tension on the muscles vs the joints right? In any case, a few years back I went 100% all locked reps and my elbows looked like Chris Dickerson! Bursitis sacks swell up, get tender…old age brings arthritis which irritates the bursa much easier, that goes for hips and shoulders too. So like many of the pros, I stopped locking out bodybuilding sets. Take a look at Jay Cutlers bench and incline…he certainly made an impression on me. Back in the 80s it was known as the “continuous tension principle “…natural galant bodybuilding on YouTube…now that’s half repped ha ha."A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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02-04-2022, 07:01 AM #183
This is what happens with bursitis and trust me, hurts like crazy…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uas547dBA4o"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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02-04-2022, 08:32 AM #184
More from this morning. Seated rows.
https://youtu.be/qS4i0iU4Vb4"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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02-04-2022, 09:20 AM #185
Bench Press (Barbell)
Set 1: 45 lb × 15 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 95 lb × 5 [Warm-up]
Set 3: 135 lb × 3 [Warm-up]
Set 4: 185 lb × 2 [Warm-up]
Set 5: 225 lb × 1 [Warm-up]
Set 6: 275 lb × 2
Set 7: 245 lb × 6 @ 7
Set 8: 245 lb × 6 @ 7.5
Set 9: 245 lb × 6 @ 7.5
Seated Row (Machine)
Set 1: 50 lb × 10 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 110 lb × 10 [Warm-up]
Set 3: 130 lb × 10 @ 6.5
Set 4: 130 lb × 10 @ 7
Set 5: 130 lb × 10 @ 7.5
Egyptian Lateral Raise
Set 1: 7.5 lb × 15 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 17.5 lb × 15 @ 8.5
Set 3: 17.5 lb × 15 @ 9
Set 4: 17.5 lb × 15 @ 9.5
Pec Deck (Machine)
Set 1: 100 lb × 10 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 140 lb × 12 @ 6.5
Set 3: 140 lb × 10 @ 7
Set 4: 140 lb × 10 @ 7.5
Neutral Grip Pull-Up
Set 1: 5 reps
Set 2: 5 reps
Set 3: 4 reps
We will see if I can add some reps to these. pull down machines taken, so did chin-ups instead.
Chest Dip
Set 1: 12 reps
Set 2: 12 reps
Shoulder Press (Plate Loaded)
Set 1: 50 lb × 12 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 90 lb × 12 [Warm-up]
Set 3: 180 lb × 8
I basically did this because I was waiting to be able to use stuff so didn’t just wanna stand around haha.
Preacher Curl (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 25 lb × 10
Set 2: 25 lb × 10
Set 3: 25 lb × 8
Superset
Seated Shrug
Set 1: 60 lb × 20
Set 2: 60 lb × 20
With
Lateral Raise (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 20 lb × 15
Set 2: 20 lb × 15
Decent day. I’m still playing with my split while I slowly get some strength back and get acclimated.
Managing to work around nagging little tweaks.the latest and greatest in training...or whatever.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=177744461&page=3
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02-04-2022, 10:48 AM #186
Strong work Coach. I agree with your take on the 'partials'. They're obviously not to powerlifting competition standard, but they're REALLY good for body building, as evidenced by some of the greatest bodybuilders ever. And as long as you're comparing apples to apples, a PR is a PR. Good stuff!
Solid upper body session Filmbuff. Probably a wise move to ease off slightly and allow some time to acclimate back to the volume and weight you would typically be capable of doing.
February 4, 2022 Sumo Deadlift
355 pounds x 1 rep [8 RPE]
Felt great during the ramp up. Probably did too many reps though because I fatigued quickly. Was hoping to be more around the 375 range @8, and it was probably doable but I just ran out of gas. This was unbelted and strapless work, aside from the final rep. My grip gave out on the first attempt even though it moved very quickly, so I strapped up on the second attempt and completed it easily.The Flywheel Effect - http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=172103043
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02-04-2022, 10:57 AM #187
Right, this is awhile back, but clearly shows lockout training but it’s only a 3 rep set. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEofmtb5SQ4
Look at Ronnie Coleman reps- pretty sure between Jay and Ronnie, that’s probably what convinced me but maybe it was even before them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvbDRV5SJwMLast edited by coachcalande; 02-04-2022 at 11:21 AM.
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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02-04-2022, 12:21 PM #188
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02-04-2022, 12:26 PM #189
Constant tension is a viable option for movements when used. It’s basically just occlusion.
Partial range in the lengthened position has shown to yield similar results so cutting the rom of lockout isn’t the worst for a smith press.
I wouldn’t necessarily hold Ronnie and jay up as shining examples since literally everything works for enhanced athletes.the latest and greatest in training...or whatever.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=177744461&page=3
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02-04-2022, 03:37 PM #190
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02-04-2022, 05:41 PM #191
Muscle and Strength pyramid books and videos completely altered my entire way of thinking on training and nutrition even.
I still fall back on his concepts whenever I feel like I’m getting off track or getting too much in my head with what is and isn’t important.
For the enhanced side, I think John meadows was a great resource for anyone to follow since he kept things pretty straight forward and his stuff is effective for naturals or enhanced.
I feel like I just need to address coaches notion that locking out creates tension on the joints.
Coach I need to preface that I’m not attacking you, but in case anyone reads your comments that locking the joints caused your bursitis.
Bursitis is a repetitive motion type of injury.
I could see it perhaps aggravating it because you had inflammation and the locking out would pinch.
But the function of locking out, in and of itself would not cause the issue.
You prescribe to a very aggressive style of training and a lot of pyramids and working up to high loads to failure multiple times per week.
I think that’s a far more logical reason why it happened.
Especially in the elbow, for that bursa to get irritated usually happens from pressure being applied for prolonged times directly to it.
So massive volume+ improper load selection + possibly spotty bench form without any modulation to allow for recovery = elbow pain and the bursa issue could be related or something separate.
Locking joints out causing it? I’ve never even heard stories of this amongst my PT friends.Last edited by Filmbuff81; 02-04-2022 at 08:29 PM. Reason: Typos and extra thoughts
the latest and greatest in training...or whatever.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=177744461&page=3
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02-04-2022, 07:01 PM #192
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02-05-2022, 03:33 AM #193
Locking out 100% caused it. (I’ve ALREADY clarified that locking on powerlifters sets is fine, lower reps, lower volume, less irritating)
I’d trained without the lockout for decades. Then when training with another football coach,(half my age, with shoulder injuries from benching ) taking some ribbing for it, trained for a few weeks with lockouts and got the balloons. Backed away from lockouts and it went away. I would also correct you that I was not pyramid training at the time. For most of my life I hated pyramid training and only went with theses pyramids within the last year. Lockout absolutely puts pressure on joints, that’s a no brainer.
That said, Filmbuff, I’m a free speech guy, you certainly are welcome to share your own experience and opinions and education and influences ..I just know that bodybuilding is an individual endeavor and is both an art and a science…several ways to progress and enjoy it without aligning to any one camp.
I’m editing this in for younger lifters to understand. Older lifters may have cracks and bone spurs in joints, these things can snag on soft tissue which can cause irritation. I’ve avoided elbow and shoulder issues for 54 of my 55 years on earth. That includes some 40ish years of training and athletic participation. FOR ME, I listen to my body, repeatedly locking out irritates MY elbows….so, I only lock out on very few low rep sets…ie powerlifters training. Recently, I FOOLISHLY rushed into very heavy shoulder press and most likely strained a front delt or worse…I’m training around that injury (no overhead press, no front raise) and it appears to be healing. I can’t say I have been so luck with my knees. I had “loose knees” and “jumpers knee” for most of my life, blew out my left knee completely playing football and had it reconstructed with a slice of my own patella tendon…ACL, MCL and the cartilage too. That’s brought on arthritis and made me bow legged in my 50s. It’s one reason why I gravitate to the smith machine…my right knee has not been rebuilt but I’ve had euflexxa in both knees due to lack of cushion .
Listening to your own body will give you years of training and you’ll enjoy it. I’m fortunate not to require sleeves or anti inflammatory meds of any kind here in my 50s while blasting away at some lifetime bests.Last edited by coachcalande; 02-05-2022 at 05:08 AM.
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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02-05-2022, 07:46 AM #194"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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02-05-2022, 03:07 PM #195
Okay, the snow has pretty well all but melted now. Being homebound for most of the week, I think this was my first workout since Monday, and I felt a bit detrained. Also ran out of time before they closed to do everything that I wanted, but that's okay. I got sucked into a fun game I was playing and it's my fault for not leaving with enough time to spare.
A.S.
Standing OHP:
5 x 5 at 135
Pendlay Row:
5 x 5 at 225
A.S.
Pull Up:
2 x 8, 1 x 4 at bodyweight
Flat Bench (T&G):
2 x 8, 1 x 6
The final sets of both above were @9 and I did not want to exceed that for today, but I had shortened the rest intervals as well. It's actually been almost two months since I've trained rows, so they were really due and unfortunately felt relatively quite heavy. The idea for today is simply to "grease the groove" and get reacclimated to them.
While I know it's a novice weight relative to my training age and bodyweight, repping 135 is still a fairly tough press for me and I was happy to get the 5x5 after losing weight this week and struggling for 3x5 last time!
Quick question for any of you guys: how do you feel about grip width on the OHP? I used to go pretty wide, but found today as I was warming up that a narrower grip (thumbs about 20" apart) felt significantly easier, despite the longer RoM.Bench: 350
Squat: 405
Deadlift: 505
"... But always, there remained, the discipline of steel!"
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02-05-2022, 03:51 PM #196
Glad you are back to it!
What does A.S. Stand for?
Shoulder press. If I put my arms straight out to each side, then bend the elbows 90 degrees, that’s about the width I prefer, maybe an inch inside that for each hand. I press BEHIND the head however so most likely a press in front would have hands just outside the shoulders."A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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02-05-2022, 06:39 PM #197
For OHP, it honestly depends on the day for me. Some days I'm stronger with a wider grip, and other days I do it pretty narrow. For some reason it seems like I do rep work better with a wide grip and max work is better narrower.
February 5, 2022______________________________________________ _______
Bench Press - 3 Count Pause: 155 pounds x 1 rep (8 RPE)
Lat Pulldown: 15 pounds + 2 Chains - 4 sets x 12 reps
Dip: BW - 3 sets x 6 reps
Decided it was time to kick things up a notch. Rewrote my programming because the best way to guarantee I do something is to have it preplanned. Will be doing 3 exercises per day. Not sure how many days per week, but it will be determined by my level of fatigue, and may vary.
This was my first time doing either lat pulldowns or dips since 2019. Supersetted them, and they went better than I expected. Bench work was very solid as well, staying very tight and stable during the pause.The Flywheel Effect - http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=172103043
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02-05-2022, 10:20 PM #198
Workout today:
Front Squat
195 - 5x5
Bench
205 - 5x5
Pendlay Row
200 - 5x5
I'm starting to get maybe more body english than I should on the rows, and there was maybe 2 reps where I didn't touch my belly. I've been sort of avoiding doing the heavy back squats so I've been subbing them for, lower weight front squats and sumo pulls which worked last week to cure knee pain, but this week I'm still getting a bit of discomfort even after substitutions. I think my knees just don't want to be loaded like that 3x per week.. which means i'll probably bail on stronglifts before I need a deload and just move onto something else.
Bench felt great though. Still pausing most reps, unless it feels like I miss-grooved the way down then I TnG it.
Nice workout! I feel like a 135 for reps OHP is pretty rare in the commercial gyms I've been to around here so it seems pretty good to me!
For whatever reason, I feel like a strong OHP has come easier to me than most people. I definitely feel MUCH stronger with a pretty narrow grip. Thumbs just at the start of the inner gnurling. Wrist wraps help me quite a bit and I wear a belt on heavy sets too. I feel like resting the weight in between reps... sort of in a front squat rack position helps quite a bit. People look and think damn, he does them from a dead stop every rep, but that seems way easier to me than people who hold a sort of "floating position" in between reps.... especially when it comes to getting the last few reps.
Also... sort of initiating the press, by bouncing it off my chest a little... real talk though is that cheating??? lol? It's hard to spot, but that's what it feels like I'm doing. Here's a video where I feel like I was using quite a bit of that bounce down to start the rep. Watching some of my videos just now as I went on this failed bulk, I see that I went away from initiating with a bounce as I got heavier.
What are ya playing?Recent best lifts
Bench - 225x13, 235x9, 250x5, 280x1
Squat - 295x10, 340x5, 375x1
Deadlift - 430x12, 450x9, 485x5, 515x1
OHP - 150x11, 170x6, 185x2, 190x1
3 mile run: 21:59 @ 170 bw.
BW - 195 Getting fat mode
531 Log: https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=177172201&page=6
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02-06-2022, 02:54 AM #199"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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02-06-2022, 04:38 AM #200
New 20 rep best.
Today’s opening set PR
https://youtu.be/GsCzBmisf9o
Next set 255x? Need 11 for a PR"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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02-06-2022, 04:52 AM #201
Set number two….can I get another PR?
https://youtu.be/IowO68ULybc"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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02-06-2022, 05:05 AM #202
Three consecutive PRs?
285x??
https://youtu.be/OiV7qCSGJuM"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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02-06-2022, 05:15 AM #203
Four consecutive PR sets. Wreaking it.
https://youtu.be/kXE6rru-qOs"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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02-06-2022, 05:26 AM #204
Fifth set….another PR?
https://youtu.be/pfw8FiaDSz8"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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02-06-2022, 05:38 AM #205
55 total squat reps this morning. Here’s my last rep.
https://youtu.be/r47HvpWAQLo
Front squats up next!"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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02-06-2022, 06:38 AM #206
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02-06-2022, 06:43 AM #207
Here's my best ever set of OHP - 195x5: https://streamable.com/41zjfe
It was june of last year
I'll crush this soon enough
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Bodyweight back up to 205 before going to bed. I ate so much food yesterday I woke up in the middle of the night because of acid refluxBest lifts:
Bench press: 315x4, 345x1
Squat: 465x1
Strict press: 185x8, 195x5, 215x1
Deadlift: 405x13 (conv tap'n'go with straps)
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02-06-2022, 06:48 AM #208
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02-06-2022, 07:04 AM #209
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02-06-2022, 11:09 AM #210
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That OHP is indeed wild. And for my money pretty much strict.
Also looks to press aprund you head slightly so may be even more efficiency gains which is wild.
My blocks over, little anticlimactic, kinda peaked week 3 on squat and this was always a bench prep block for hopefully a bench comeback next block.
Thought a month vs year few would be cool to share now that I actually have almost the full year of data.
Spoiler!
Sumo not a full year, and as you can see by the graph I started stupidly with to much, had to make up for that, but since then it's been the most consistently improved5 day full body crew
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