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    How many pounds till I get cool guy abs

    I went from 207(7/18/21) to now 180. I started cardio a week ago and my energy is very low to the point that I'm considering eating at maintenance for a while. But I don't want to quit before I get cool guy abs. I think another 10 pounds? I Don't know if I want to be a 160lb guy but I was chasing a boxer type build anyway.

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    Yes. Are you double masked in your profile pic?
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    How tall are you? Do you have a better picture. You look skinny with out muscle development

    I donโ€™t know if cutting will help cause you might not have anything to cut down to
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    Originally Posted by snailsrus View Post
    How tall are you? Do you have a better picture. You look skinny with out muscle development

    I donโ€™t know if cutting will help cause you might not have anything to cut down to


    6ft. there's muscles hiding somewhere under there, I've been doing extensive calisthenics for a year now. It was mostly pushups dips and situps, I just started doing curls but I don't care too much about the arms.
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    I just had a hamburger so my tits are larger than usual
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    Originally Posted by Ugobuttertitz View Post
    I just had a hamburger so my tits are larger than usual
    A hamburger's not going to do that.

    You don't have much muscle to cut down to.

    Get an actual camera.
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    A hamburger's not going to do that.

    You don't have much muscle to cut down to.

    Get an actual camera.
    was gunna say this
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    A hamburger's not going to do that.

    You don't have much muscle to cut down to.

    Get an actual camera.
    But it does, my tits automatically shoot out and poke me in the eyes whenever I eat a hamburger. I'm saving up for a real camera, these are just pencil drawings.

    I guess what I'm really asking is how much body fat I have and have to loose before abs show. I don't want a bodybuilding physique and I know there are abs neath that fat that will show at 13% bf or whatever % necessary.
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    Cool guy abs? You wont. You have no muscle. Abs don't just magically appear out of thin air when you lose some fat. Build up your abs and then diet down. Best to focus on all muscle groups while in a slight calorie surplus.
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    Originally Posted by Tommy W. View Post
    Cool guy abs? You wont. You have no muscle. Abs don't just magically appear out of thin air when you lose some fat. Build up your abs and then diet down. Best to focus on all muscle groups while in a slight calorie surplus.
    This is where I'm confused, I can feel the ab definition under the fat and I've been doing ab work for a year now while cutting. How could the abs I feel not show when my body fat reaches a certain level? What about abs being made in the kitchen?
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    Originally Posted by Ugobuttertitz View Post
    This is where I'm confused, I can feel the ab definition under the fat and I've been doing ab work for a year now while cutting. How could the abs I feel not show when my body fat reaches a certain level? What about abs being made in the kitchen?
    Made in the gym and exposed in the kitchen. Guys chase abs when they need to chase overall body development. You build muscle when in a caloric surplus best. Cutting and trying to grow muscle most of the time doesn't happen. Abs are muscles and no different from say a biceps and you don't try to grow biceps while in a calorie deficit and expect much, if any success.
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    Originally Posted by Ugobuttertitz View Post
    But it does, my tits automatically shoot out and poke me in the eyes whenever I eat a hamburger. I'm saving up for a real camera, these are just pencil drawings.

    I guess what I'm really asking is how much body fat I have and have to loose before abs show. I don't want a bodybuilding physique and I know there are abs neath that fat that will show at 13% bf or whatever % necessary.
    you could weigh 30 lbs less and you still wouldnโ€™t see abs. You wonโ€™t see muscle definition, if you donโ€™t have any muscle to start with
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    Originally Posted by Tommy W. View Post
    Made in the gym and exposed in the kitchen. Guys chase abs when they need to chase overall body development. You build muscle when in a caloric surplus best. Cutting and trying to grow muscle most of the time doesn't happen. Abs are muscles and no different from say a biceps and you don't try to grow biceps while in a calorie deficit and expect much, if any success.
    I bulked till I could do 80 pushups and 160 situps 5 days a week for a year. I'm happy with that amount of strength and am now looking to cut until my abs show. It's crazy to say that ab definition won't happen if I reach a low bf%. I must be at 18% bf? I just want to know how much longer I will need to cut.
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    Originally Posted by Ugobuttertitz View Post
    I bulked till I could do 80 pushups and 160 situps 5 days a week for a year. I'm happy with that amount of strength and am now looking to cut until my abs show. It's crazy to say that ab definition won't happen if I reach a low bf%. I must be at 18% bf? I just want to know how much longer I will need to cut.
    Cut and you get what you get nobody can give you a timeframe. Situps and pushups don't mean sheite. You're wasting your time, especially with situps.
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    Originally Posted by snailsrus View Post
    you could weigh 30 lbs less and you still wouldnโ€™t see abs. You wonโ€™t see muscle definition, if you donโ€™t have any muscle to start with
    Im curious why you think there's no ab muscle when they can't be seen underneath fat. I could have huge abs and they still would be burried under fat.
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    Originally Posted by Ugobuttertitz View Post
    Im curious why you think there's no ab muscle when they can't be seen underneath fat. I could have huge abs and they still would be burried under fat.
    well chief then lose the fat and report back later...
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    well chief then lose the fat and report back later...
    Yes, I guess it's not dead set like 'athleanx' saying abs show at a certain amount of body fat. Maybe I can relax my belly and set the fupa on a scale and then I'll know how many lbs/weeks till my stomach fat isn't all jigglinbits.
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    Originally Posted by Ugobuttertitz View Post
    Yes, I guess it's not dead set like 'athleanx' saying abs show at a certain amount of body fat. Maybe I can relax my belly and set the fupa on a scale and then I'll know how many lbs/weeks till my stomach fat isn't all jigglinbits.
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    It's already been said - but just to reiterate, you don't have the mass to have a 'cool guy' 6 pack.

    Being lean doesn't automagically mean you will have a 6 pack. Look at marathon runners, they're in great cardiovascular shape and are usually very lean, but are not bulging with abs and muscles.

    I spent the first half of my life doing things the wrong way (like you) - lots of crunches and ab-centric exercises with little full body development. Wasn't until I did a few years of real weightlifting and then cut down until I actually had visible abs. You will likely need to follow a similar path.

    And last thing but boxers are usually pretty muscular. They don't get that way doing pushup and sit-ups. They train very intensely.
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    Originally Posted by sunsean View Post
    It's already been said - but just to reiterate, you don't have the mass to have a 'cool guy' 6 pack.

    Being lean doesn't automagically mean you will have a 6 pack. Look at marathon runners, they're in great cardiovascular shape and are usually very lean, but are not bulging with abs and muscles.

    I spent the first half of my life doing things the wrong way (like you) - lots of crunches and ab-centric exercises with little full body development. Wasn't until I did a few years of real weightlifting and then cut down until I actually had visible abs. You will likely need to follow a similar path.

    And last thing but boxers are usually pretty muscular. They don't get that way doing pushup and sit-ups. They train very intensely.
    I should still cut first thought right? I think my bf% is still too high.

    It would be easier to cut if I stopped pushups etc. but it seems the small amount of muscle I have grown would disappear. When I started doing pushups I struggled, now that I can do more wouldn't that imply some muscle growth?

    Maybe we have different definitions of cool guy abs? I'm referencing a brad pit fight club type of build.
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    I should still cut first thought right? I think my bf% is still too high.

    It would be easier to cut if I stopped pushups etc. but it seems the small amount of muscle I have grown would disappear. When I started doing pushups I struggled, now that I can do more wouldn't that imply some muscle growth?

    Maybe we have different definitions of cool guy abs? I'm referencing a brad pit fight club type of build.
    you still need muscle for that type of build, probably more versatile training than you're currently doing. don't stop training when you cut though... why would you do that or did i misunderstand?
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    Brad Pitt has a chitload more muscle on his frame than you do. Sure, you may have some tiny abs under there but you would probably have to cut 30-40 more pounds at least.

    And you'll look like this:

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    I agree with the above. If you're 180lbs now, look at ~150lbs to get down to Fight Club Brad fat levels. And you'd have no muscle to show off.
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    Originally Posted by Ugobuttertitz View Post
    Im curious why you think there's no ab muscle when they can't be seen underneath fat. I could have huge abs and they still would be burried under fat.
    because, when I look at your frame, your lacking over all muscle. Youโ€™re leaner on your shoulders but there are no delts.

    You can build muscle at your current weight without a bulk, but you need to be training more effectively. Look at fierce 5 here. Be consistent with the exercises and eat enough protein.
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    Originally Posted by snailsrus View Post
    because, when I look at your frame, your lacking over all muscle. Youโ€™re leaner on your shoulders but there are no delts.
    I see this all the time. I once got into an debate with someone who saw no visual difference between a strongman competitor and a contestant on the Biggest Loser. To him, they both look equally muscular.
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    Originally Posted by snailsrus View Post
    because, when I look at your frame, your lacking over all muscle. Youโ€™re leaner on your shoulders but there are no delts.

    You can build muscle at your current weight without a bulk, but you need to be training more effectively. Look at fierce 5 here. Be consistent with the exercises and eat enough protein.
    I've been eating 120g of protein but I just switched to 170g. I don't think it will cause muscle growth since I always do the same workout but maybe I'll have more energy?
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    Originally Posted by Ugobuttertitz View Post
    I've been eating 120g of protein but I just switched to 170g. I don't think it will cause muscle growth since I always do the same workout but maybe I'll have more energy?
    Dude you need a gym membership if you have any hopes of doubling Pitt any time soon.
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    Originally Posted by Ugobuttertitz View Post
    I've been eating 120g of protein but I just switched to 170g. I don't think it will cause muscle growth since I always do the same workout but maybe I'll have more energy?
    120 is pretty low. It could help

    But you also need a better lifting routine
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    I see this all the time. I once got into an debate with someone who saw no visual difference between a strongman competitor and a contestant on the Biggest Loser. To him, they both look equally muscular.
    ya cause the 6 hours of working out and 1200 calories a day is a great plan for building muscle lol
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