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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    That sounds about right to me, but you did specifically say you have 40 pounds of fat and an LBM of 247. Unless I'm missing something or you misspoke, that means you're claiming to be at 14% right now, at 287. I don't doubt that you carry a lot of muscle but there's still no way that could be true, of course.
    You’re right LBM was not the right term to use, sorry I misspoke
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    Originally Posted by BeginnerGainz View Post
    I haven’t the foggiest.

    I need to get me a tape measure because I am gonna start keeping measurements.
    If you have any sort of regular ruler you can just use a piece of floss and measure the length of the string.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    ^^

    No offense, but how are you so sure you would be stage lean at 260?



    I have seen it.

    I workout with someone easily 20-22% who has done it weighing about 220, and another guy who was certainly big overall but not visibly obese. I also spotted a decline 405 from someone who was nearly lean. It is decline, but still.

    I think natural potential tends to be underrated - at least as far as acute performance goes, not with continuous recovery abilities and the amount of volume you can regularly train with. I have no trouble believing that a light lifter can put up 405 with extreme dedication and long career of training well.
    Unfortunately I’ve never seen anyone under 215 lbs bench over 400. Natural lifting is depressing. I was in the low 200s at my biggest. By the time I cut down to 10 percent I’m in the low 170s lol. That’s doing everything right for a long time. If I compete in bodybuilding I’ll be a whopping 160 at contest lean.. Woohoo!
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    Originally Posted by TAWS6 View Post
    Unfortunately I’ve never seen anyone under 215 lbs bench over 400. Natural lifting is depressing. I was in the low 200s at my biggest. By the time I cut down to 10 percent I’m in the low 170s lol. That’s doing everything right for a long time. If I compete in bodybuilding I’ll be a whopping 160 at contest lean.. Woohoo!
    10% at all is very impressive and takes a lot of dedication, and at 170 looks great anyway.

    However, I agree with your point. That's why powerlifting is more rewarding and enjoyable to me. To be strong in your weight class, you can't get especially overweight so there's not a pass to get fat, but extreme leanness not being an overriding concern is a relief, and frankly pursuing strength is simply more fun and rewarding in my opinion. Also, it's impossible to maintain strength in your big lifts without carrying at least decent size, oftentimes plenty of it. But of course, everyone has different goals they're pursuing and won't necessarily have the same mentality here. I'd just rather be 20ish percent, big and very strong, than shredded and perfectly proportioned, for instance.

    Incidentally I watched an interesting video on Johnny Candito's channel today about how powerlifting is the more forgiving devotion for the natural athlete, between the two. Some natural powerlifters are competitive against enhanced lifters, whereas that would never happen in bodybuilding, of course.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zKpETlIBfU
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