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    I just read that Baldwin was told gun was 'cold' before movie set shooting




    Is it his fault for the accident?
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    I just read that Baldwin was told gun was 'cold' before movie set shooting




    Is it his fault for the accident?
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    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    First rule of gun safety, treat every gun as if it were loaded. I taught Hunters Education classes a long time ago.


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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    I just read that Baldwin was told gun was 'cold' before movie set shooting




    Is it his fault for the accident?

    I don’t think so in his role as the actor. As I understand it, as an actor he is expected to rely on the people managing the props to give him a safe prop weapon. Actors aren't allowed to check it, and you don’t really want someone with no training checking it anyways. The set armorer is supposed to check and load the gun and they hand it to the actor right before they film the part that needs filming. As soon as they call cut the armorer collects the gun.

    He could certainly be liable in his role as a producer as the set appears to have had a history of firearms safety negligence.

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    I’m not sure. They’re filming a movie. You’re by definition breaking the four rules. There is supposed to be a paid professional to ensure the safety of the firearms before they are handed to an actor who is being paid to pull the trigger.
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    I don’t think so in his role as the actor. As I understand it, as an actor he is expected to rely on the people managing the props to give him a safe prop weapon. Actors aren't allowed to check it, and you don’t really want someone with no training checking it anyways. The set armorer is supposed to check and load the gun and they hand it to the actor right before they film the part that needs filming. As soon as they call cut the armorer collects the gun.

    He could certainly be liable in his role as a producer as the set appears to have had a history of firearms safety negligence.



    I’m not sure. They’re filming a movie. You’re by definition breaking the four rules. There is supposed to be a paid professional to ensure the safety of the firearms before they are handed to an actor who is being paid to pull the trigger.

    Not buying any of this.


    He will probably get off or a slap on the wrist because of what you mentioned. I don't think he should. A 3 second check could have saved someone a lifetime. I know I would have done it. Set or no set.. Just the way it is.
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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    Not buying any of this.


    He will probably get off or a slap on the wrist because of what you mentioned. I don't think he should. A 3 second check could have saved someone a lifetime. I know I would have done it. Set or no set.. Just the way it is.
    Part of an armorer's job is not to let people take guns. If guns are used they prepare them, examine them, control who touches them, where they're aimed, giving training to actors as needed in the fundamentals, etc. That the AD was able to touch the gun is a failure on the part of the armorer.

    Should Baldwin have checked the gun if he has no training? In my opinion, no. But he also should not have taken the gun from anyone other than the armorer.
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    So they weren't filming when the accident occurred(?). That means that he pointed the weapon at someone and pulled the trigger. I'm assuming that he was just playing around . . . perhaps making a joke as he pulled the trigger. I'm not condoning what he did, and if I'm right, it's an act that I think anyone with any real knowledge of guns and gun safety would never do.
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    Does anyone know what type and make of gun it was? A revolver is a simple check, a semi auto and you can only see the top round in the mag then you have to slide after mag is removed to clear the chamber. This matters.
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    Originally Posted by Tommy W. View Post
    Does anyone know what type and make of gun it was? A revolver is a simple check, a semi auto and you can only see the top round in the mag then you have to slide after mag is removed to clear the chamber. This matters.
    Apparently a real one...


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    According to imdb, Rust is set in 1880s Kansas. That should give you an idea of the gun.
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    It could be this one,"Gutierrez-Reed, 24, laid out three guns, and Halls picked up a Colt pistol and handed it to Baldwin"

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    According to imdb, Rust is set in 1880s Kansas. That should give you an idea of the gun.
    then an easy check. Zero excuse.
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    Originally Posted by mtpockets View Post
    One killed and one injured, blanks don't normally do that. Was it a through and through or was it fired twice?


    Acting, prop gun or not I would have a hard time pointing a weapon at someone, let alone pulling the trigger. Was taught firearm safety and muzzle control since I was knee high to a grasshopper.

    Never point a weapon at something you don't want to shoot and treat every firearm as if it is loaded, I have lived by and preached this for years, pretty sure I would have checked that weapon, prop or not. It's just what I do. I check my own coming out of the safe, If a weapon gets in my hands I check it.

    Pockets I’m just getting to this post, so far no one has pointed out that Alec is the biggest hothead the industry has seen. Nancy Grace can’t hold a candle to this guys rage.

    I think he lost his temper as usual and didn’t think here......
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    Not sure if this will go anywhere but interesting nonetheless

    The woman killed by Alec Baldwin was the wife of an attorney with the law firm of Latham & Watkins.

    And who is one of Latham & Watkins clients?

    Michael Sussman; the Clinton connected atty just indicted by Bob Durham.
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    Pockets I’m just getting to this post, so far no one has pointed out that Alec is the biggest hothead the industry has seen. Nancy Grace can’t hold a candle to this guys rage.

    I think he lost his temper as usual and didn’t think here......








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    Apparently they were just rehearsing. Not even any need for a gun or just dry fire the shot.
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    Apparently they were just rehearsing. Not even any need for a gun or just dry fire the shot.
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    he will get off without even any prosecution.

    people will claim he is some sort of hero and the media will worship him while vilifying guns.

    I have serious doubts it even happened to be honest. I mean, who casts alec baldwin in a western?

    This is hollywood after all, they can pull any hoax off they put their minds to.
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    I just read that Baldwin was told gun was 'cold' before movie set shooting

    Is it his fault for the accident?
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    First rule of gun safety, treat every gun as if it were loaded. I taught Hunters Education classes a long time ago.
    This is true, but it was a movie and if he was told the gun was cold, which I hear, too, then that means it's a go. On the movie sets, I bet most actors do not check the guns.
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    The smoking gun that claimed the life of Halyna Hutchins might've been more than just an on-set prop -- it was also being fired recreationally, even when cameras weren't rolling.

    Multiple sources directly connected to the 'Rust' production tell TMZ ... the same gun Alec Baldwin accidentally fired -- hitting the DP and director -- was being used crews members off set as well, for what we're told amounted to target practice.

    We're told this off-the-clock shooting -- which was allegedly happening away the movie lot -- was being done with real bullets ... which is how some who worked on the film believe a live round found its way in one of that day.

    Obviously, authorities would want to speak to anyone who had been using the weapon for target practice, and -- more importantly -- to whoever was putting the gun back among others used for filming.

    We've reached out to law enforcement to see if that's happened yet.

    There's also this ... one source who was on set and familiar with the goings-on of the crew tells us that when cops showed up, they found live ammo and blanks were being stored in the same area -- another possible explanation for how an actual bullet slipped got in the gun.
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    Agree with others, even when given a safe weapon I was required to check it e.g. for bolt action remove magazine withdraw bolt place tip of little finger in breech to check for object up the spout, close bolt and "fire" into floor. And again even after all that, if I'd pointed at someone I'd have had my balls cut off.

    The above was from when I was just a kid, not someone who worked with firearms on set. If you do something for a living the expectations should be even higher. Not sure if he was negligent in the legal sense (think they'll let him off) but he definitely scr3wed up!
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    Go to any firearms retailer and if you ask to see something they will check to see if it's clear before handing it to you as well as the typical knowledgeable customer will also check even though it has already been checked and then they will check it again once handed back to them. There was ZERO excuse for this to happen and at the very least I would think negligent homicide could be a charge.
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    Go to any firearms retailer and if you ask to see something they will check to see if it's clear before handing it to you as well as the typical knowledgeable customer will also check even though it has already been checked and then they will check it again once handed back to them. There was ZERO excuse for this to happen and at the very least I would think negligent homicide could be a charge.


    Absolutely, Spot on Corbi. Anyone who picks up a firearm from a cart or anyone else, points and pulls the trigger without proving it safe is an absolute fool.

    This wasn't a sticker gun from dollar general, it was a weapon that was obviously capable of discharging a round and killing someone.
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    Absolutely, Spot on Corbi. Anyone who picks up a firearm from a cart or anyone else, points and pulls the trigger without proving it safe is an absolute fool.

    This wasn't a sticker gun from dollar general, it was a weapon that was obviously capable of discharging a round and killing someone.

    The way you guys talk and feel about Nancy Grace is the way I feel about this Baldwin guy. Not only does he have a temper, he thinks he is above everyone on a movie set.

    There was probably hold-up or something didn't go his way, Baldwin starts yelling and flailing etc. picks up the gun and starts firing it at the...... wait a second, who did he shoot? Not an actor right, but some directors? How does that happen? yeah, the hothead not wanting to listen, it's starting to make sense now.
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    LOS ANGELES (AP) — A camera operator told authorities that Alec Baldwin had been careful with weapons on the set of the film “Rust” before the actor shot and killed a cinematographer with a gun he’d been told was safe to use, court records released Sunday show.

    Cameraman Reid Russell told a detective that Baldwin was rehearsing a scene Thursday in which he was set to draw his gun while sitting in a church pew and point it at the camera. Russell said he was unsure whether the weapon was checked before it was handed to Baldwin.

    The camera wasn’t rolling when the gun went off, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, Russell told a detective according to a search warrant affidavit.

    Authorities said Friday that the assistant director, Dave Halls, had handed the weapon to Baldwin and announced “cold gun,” indicating it was safe to use. When asked about how Baldwin treated firearms on the set, Russell said the actor was very careful, citing an instance when Baldwin made sure a child actor was not near him when a gun was being discharged.

    Warrant: Assistant director unknowingly handed Alec Baldwin loaded gun
    The affidavit released Sunday also includes statements by director Joel Souza, who was standing behind Hutchins and was wounded.

    It detailed the moments before the shooting and shows that there was turmoil on the set the day of the shooting. Several members of the camera crew walked off the production in a dispute over payment and lodging, Russell said, and he was left with a lot of work to do. Only one camera was available to shoot, and it had to be moved because the light had shifted and there was a shadow.

    Souza said that he was focused on how the scene would appear on camera. He said he recalled hearing the phrase “cold gun” being used before the shooting.

    He said the scene they were shooting did not call for the use of live rounds.

    Souza described the gunshot as sounding like a whip and a loud pop.

    On Sunday, a crew member who worked with Halls on another project said she had raised safety concerns about him in 2019.

    Maggie Goll, a prop maker and licensed pyrotechnician, said in a statement that she filed an internal complaint with the executive producers of Hulu’s “Into the Dark” series in 2019 over concerns about Halls’ behavior on set. Goll said in a phone interview Sunday that Halls disregarded safety protocols for weapons and pyrotechnics and tried to continue filming after the supervising pyrotechnician lost consciousness on set.

    Halls has not returned phone calls and email messages seeking comment.

    The fatal shooting and previous experiences point to larger safety issues that need to be addressed, Goll said, adding that crew member safety and wellbeing were top issues in recent contract negotiations between a union that represents film and TV workers and a major producers’ group.

    “This situation is not about Dave Halls. … It’s in no way one person’s fault,” she said. “It’s a bigger conversation about safety on set and what we are trying to achieve with that culture.”

    The film’s chief electrician Serge Svetnoy blamed producers for Hutchins’ death in an emotional Facebook post on Sunday. Svetnoy said he had worked with Hutchins on multiple films and faulted “negligence and unprofessionalism” among those handling weapons on the set. He said producers hired an inexperienced armorer.

    Hollywood professionals say they’re baffled by the circumstances and production crews have quickly stepped up safety measures.

    Jeffrey Wright, who has worked on projects including the James Bond franchise and the upcoming movie “The Batman,” was acting with a weapon on the set of “Westworld” when news broke of the shooting Thursday at a New Mexico ranch. “We were all pretty shocked. And it informed what we did from that moment on,” he said in an interview Sunday at the Newport Beach Film Festival.

    ‘My heart is broken’: Alec Baldwin breaks silence after fatal on-set prop gun shooting
    “I don’t recall ever being handed a weapon that was not cleared in front of me — meaning chamber open, barrel shown to me, light flashed inside the barrel to make sure that it’s cleared,” Wright said. “Clearly, that was a mismanaged set.”

    Actor Ray Liotta agreed with Wright that the checks on firearms are usually extensive.

    “They always — that I know of — they check it so you can see,” Liotta said. “They give it to the person you’re pointing the gun at, they do it to the producer, they show whoever is there that it doesn’t work.”

    A vigil for Hutchins was held Sunday in Southern California, where attendees exchanged tearful hugs and speakers echoed calls for heightened safety standards.

    Baldwin, who is known for his roles in “30 Rock” and “The Hunt for Red October” and his impression of former President Donald Trump on “Saturday Night Live,” has described the killing as a “tragic accident.”
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    Actor Alec Baldwin was practicing removing a revolver from its holster and aiming toward the camera during rehearsal for the movie “Rust” when director Joel Souza heard “what sounded like a whip and then a loud pop,” according to a search warrant obtained by the Los Angeles Times on Sunday night that also provided grim new details about the final minutes of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins’ life.

    In the newly released document, Souza said the weapon had been described to him as a “cold gun,” meaning it did not have any live rounds. But the gun discharged, striking Hutchins in her chest and Souza in his right shoulder, according to a Santa Fe County, N.M., sheriff’s detective’s affidavit used to obtain a search warrant. Hutchins was pronounced dead at an Albuquerque hospital.

    Souza’s statement to the detective offered a new window into the on-set shooting Thursday that has left Hollywood reeling and calling for safer working conditions on sets.

    The shooting took place after six members of the film’s crew walked off the set after complaining to the production company about payment and housing, camera operator Reid Russell told Det. Joel Cano. Russell’s and Souza’s statements to the detective offered the most detailed chronology yet of how the tragedy unfolded.
    The day started late because the production hired a replacement camera crew and was working with only one camera, Souza told the detective.

    Souza said three people were handling the gun for the scene: armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, then assistant director Dave Halls, who handed the gun to Baldwin, the affidavit said.

    Because of COVID-19 safety protocols, the affidavit said, Gutierrez Reed set up three prop guns on a cart left outside Bonanza Creek Ranch’s church set, the focus of the search warrant. Halls did not know live rounds were in the gun that he handed to Baldwin, and Halls yelled “cold gun,” according to the affidavit.

    Souza told the detective that cast and crew had been preparing for the scene before lunch but then took a meal break away from the rehearsal area around 12:30 p.m. When they returned, Souza said, he wasn’t sure if the gun was checked again, the affidavit said. He also addressed the possibility of cast or crew bringing live ammunition, which can include potentially dangerous blanks, onto the set.

    “Joel said as far as he knows, no one gets checked for live ammunition on their person prior and after the scenes are being filmed,” the affidavit said. “The only thing checked are the firearms to avoid live ammunition being in them. Joel stated there should never be live rounds whatsoever, near or around the scene.”

    When they came back from lunch, a creeping shadow prompted the camera to be moved to a different angle, Russell told the detective. As Baldwin was explaining how he was going to draw his gun and where his arm would be positioned, it discharged, Russell said.

    Souza said he was looking over Hutchins’ shoulder when the gun discharged. Hutchins grabbed her midsection, stumbled backward and “was assisted to the ground,” Souza told the detective.

    Russell recalled hearing a loud bang, seeing a bloody Souza and hearing Hutchins say she couldn’t feel her legs, the affidavit said.

    The search warrant released Sunday night allowed for seizure of all firearms, firearm components, used or unused ammunition (“whether it be live ammunition or prop ammunition”), computer hardware equipment, plus all cameras and film or memory cards. The Sheriff’s Office said it had taken blood, saliva and skin and hair samples but did not disclose whose samples it was testing.

    The shooting came after crew members raised concerns about safety conditions on set. Two “Rust” crew members told the L.A. Times that, less than a week earlier, a stunt double had fired two accidental prop gun discharges after being told the gun was “cold.”

    Halyna Hutchins, photographed at the Sundance Film Festival in 2019, was killed in an incident on a film set.
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    Absolutely, Spot on Corbi. Anyone who picks up a firearm from a cart or anyone else, points and pulls the trigger without proving it safe is an absolute fool.

    This wasn't a sticker gun from dollar general, it was a weapon that was obviously capable of discharging a round and killing someone.
    Agreed. It was obviously a real gun capable of using real bullets and it was on the set. Why the fuk why?

    A real bullet killed the lady. How on earth can a real bullet get into a real gun on a movie set? The only answer IMO is that someone intentionally put it there. A monkey would know the difference between a real bullet and a blank.
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