Most people should do maingaining/lean bulk phases, and only cut if obese?

[AdamWW]

How is this thread still happening ?

[Animal2692]

In life, yes. Concerning you, no.

My initial comment was obviously acknowledging that those you were arguing with for 2 pages were better versed in the subject matter than yourself. The rest of our discussion was, as you admit, you wanting to drag it out. You know full well that the discussions where you genuinely seek help or advice go much differently than these "everyone should do it this way" threads.

Again, I don't know..but I saw it as debate, not full on arguing. Not everyone who replied reacted the same way.

Lol, and I wish I can agree with you on that last part where the discussions were I genuinely seek help go differently. Honestly, there have been times when I was feeling that way and you wanted to say something snarky right off the bat based on past threads. Ok, you say it's snarky because of my lack of knowledge. Well, what makes you think everyone must have your level of knowledge too then? Maybe you think you already know so much that you invariably put yourself higher without realizing it. I can say that there are other people who weren't snarky despite my 'lack of knowledge' as you suggested to being a contributing factor. Maybe we just gotta accept we can't win everyone over. If you went by a different username altogether, I would still be able to single you out! What does that say about you? Come on now. I guess that if you spend a lot of time on these forums without taking a hiatus, you end up growing impatient with lesser morons, scum lifters like me, it changes you. Tommy brought up a good point. And strangely enough, I can't blame you entirely. Perhaps the air2fakie in his early stages on these forums had a lot more wonder to him until someone came along and just jaded him.

[paulinkansas]

How is this thread still happening ?

I used to date a lady with a bipolar disorder. She would be around non-stop for a few days and then just disappear for awhile. I'm not saying OP has a BP disorder, but the similarities are there. I would have married her if she could keep her illness in control.

[Animal2692]

I used to date a lady with a bipolar disorder. She would be around non-stop for a few days and then just disappear for awhile. I'm not saying OP has a BP disorder, but the similarities are there. I would have married her if she could keep her illness in control.

Is it bad if I think everyone has some level of BP?

[paulinkansas]

Is it bad if I think everyone has some level of BP?

Not at all. I rank myself a 7 on the 1 to 10 level of craziness.

[desslok]

I I'm not saying OP has a BP disorder, but the similarities are there. I would have married her if she could keep her illness in control.

Married the OP? or the other girl?

[Animal2692]

Married the OP? or the other girl?

I'm already married, sorry boys

[AdamWW]

I'm already married, sorry boys

If you spend half as much time listening to your wife as you do debating ITT, you win husband of the year

[Animal2692]

If you spend half as much time listening to your wife as you do debating ITT, you win husband of the year

Debating has led to a lot of progress throughout history, but sadly it's being shunned more and more because having a dissenting opinion these days is frowned upon. I got all the help I needed in this thread and learned much more than I bargained for. This may not amount to much for you, but I really appreciated your patience with that link I shared and your objectivity as well as everyone else who was just as tolerant. Paul, you're funny as always with your humor in good faith.

I don't care for being on these forums as much as I used to with the exception of the subject of this thread that was recently on my mind. I'm back on a hiatus, I'd say some people here could really benefit from one as well. I've had enough internet for tonight, goodnight folks

[paulinkansas]

So what do you do when your wife is pretty frigid and there are two other women that want to jump on your bones?

[air2fakie]

Again, I don't know..but I saw it as debate, not full on arguing. Not everyone who replied reacted the same way.

Lol, and I wish I can agree with you on that last part where the discussions were I genuinely seek help go differently. Honestly, there have been times when I was feeling that way and you wanted to say something snarky right off the bat based on past threads. Ok, you say it's snarky because of my lack of knowledge. Well, what makes you think everyone must have your level of knowledge too then? Maybe you think you already know so much that you invariably put yourself higher without realizing it. I can say that there are other people who weren't snarky despite my 'lack of knowledge' as you suggested to being a contributing factor. Maybe we just gotta accept we can't win everyone over. If you went by a different username altogether, I would still be able to single you out! What does that say about you? Come on now. I guess that if you spend a lot of time on these forums without taking a hiatus, you end up growing impatient with lesser morons, scum lifters like me, it changes you. Tommy brought up a good point. And strangely enough, I can't blame you entirely. Perhaps the air2fakie in his early stages on these forums had a lot more wonder to him until someone came along and just jaded him.

Not sure how this became about me, nowhere above did I tout my own knowledge or weigh in on the debate. I came onto these forums after you did, and I don’t use alt accounts. Have a good night.

[EiFit91]

I got you. I'm not saying it works, we all know it works. I was under the impression that maybe it works better than we thought. But I did also want to address some of the pitfalls with bulking and cutting. Tommy mentioned that recomping is a good way to spin one's wheels. And I wanted to bring to light that when people bulk too hard or cut too hard, they too are spinning their wheels. You bulk too hard and gain way too much fat. Now you panic and go on a crazy deficit to the point that you lose whatever gains you made. I see that happening too. It happened to me. In that scenario, ****, recomping seems like the better option

I agree. Many people spin their wheels bulking.

If they cannot contain themselves, progressing on maintenance will probably lead to better results as they will spend (on average) more time in conditions favourable to muscle building.

If they can contain themselves, I believe bulk/cut will be superior. The volume you will be able to handle on a bulk is much higher and if you can keep bulking for a long time that sustained higher volume will lead to greater progress.

I am also open to the idea that some people are genetically prone to gaining a lot of fat while bulking. They may also benefit from just progressing at maintenance or slightly above.

But these terms - maingaining, gaintaining, lean bulking etc tend to muddy the waters in my opinion. TommyW usually recommends that you eat as much as you can to gain muscle with minimal fat. Depending on the lifter, that can lead to either of the mentioned approaches. So we don’t need all of these confusing definitions.

[TolerantLactose]

I agree. Many people spin their wheels bulking.

If they cannot contain themselves, progressing on maintenance will probably lead to better results as they will spend (on average) more time in conditions favourable to muscle building.

If they can contain themselves, I believe bulk/cut will be superior. The volume you will be able to handle on a bulk is much higher and if you can keep bulking for a long time that sustained higher volume will lead to greater progress.

I am also open to the idea that some people are genetically prone to gaining a lot of fat while bulking. They may also benefit from just progressing at maintenance or slightly above.

But these terms - maingaining, gaintaining, lean bulking etc tend to muddy the waters in my opinion. TommyW usually recommends that you eat as much as you can to gain muscle with minimal fat. Depending on the lifter, that can lead to either of the mentioned approaches. So we don’t need all of these confusing definitions.

But what if you're skinny fat?

[safcpaul]

Haha I knew animal would pop up at sometime with one of his daft threads again

[AdamWW]

Debating has led to a lot of progress throughout history, but sadly it's being shunned more and more because having a dissenting opinion these days is frowned upon. I got all the help I needed in this thread and learned much more than I bargained for. This may not amount to much for you, but I really appreciated your patience with that link I shared and your objectivity as well as everyone else who was just as tolerant. Paul, you're funny as always with your humor in good faith.

I don't care for being on these forums as much as I used to with the exception of the subject of this thread that was recently on my mind. I'm back on a hiatus, I'd say some people here could really benefit from one as well. I've had enough internet for tonight, goodnight folks

Stop propping this thread up like it's the Declaration of Independence....


You're not making history by 'debating' about main-gaining or recomping...