Misc Firearms Crew LXXXI: Tritium Vials and ATF Denials

[fishnbrah]

its not legal to use that kind of ammo in AZ for hunting i dont think. but here, you only alloweded one deer a year if youre lucky. most dudes wouldnt want to risk wounding one with non expanding ammo.

[OrificeSpunk]

Shot a deer today with the IMI razor core 77 grain, out of a 11.5" barrel. Maybe 30 or 40 yard shot? Not sure if impressed or unimpressed...I'll lay it out for you. I was actually brushed in seated on my ass, not in a stand. Deer offers a quartering toward shot. Fire one round, deer jumps and runs 20 meters and crashes dead right there. Impressive right?

Let's look at the bullet...

My wife found the round sitting in the far side of the deer. It did not exit.



Mostly intact, deformed and in fact mushroomed.



This is actually the entry. The exit was a lot less impressive as you can see, which matches my experience with these 77 grain loads - they hit hard up front and lose steam fast. Best I can tell, the round total obliterated the front right shoulder even though it didn't impact bone. We have that leg separated out for deboning...it was a mess of clots and bloodshot meat. I don't like to waste meat but this is a relatively high pressure area I'm hunting so I wanted to make sure it dropped.






All in all, did the round work? Yes. Interestingly, it caused a massive amount of damage even though it didn't fragment. It performed roughly like how I'd expect a Hornady LEO round to perform. This is one data point...I wouldn't recommend the IMI 77 grain load based on this evidence, though I'd have a hard time dissuading someone from using it over M193...it seemed to work well at CQB distances out of a relatively short barrel.

These bullets really shine when you get them up to 2800 and above fps. To get that speed with factory load you would probably need a 20"+ barrel though. I'd say your ammo did a good job all things considered.

I've removed many porcupines with 77gr hand loads out of an 18" spr barrel shooting at about 1805fps. The terminal ballistics are pretty devastating and I wouldn't hesitate to use it on whitetail. Unfortunately we can't use semi auto rifles for deer because of boomer fud laws. I've had similar results with 75gr Hornady bthp bullets as well

ETA: I use a 243 for whitetail and never had an issue with 75gr bullets. They're cruising at over 3300fps though. I like the 105gr best for 6mm but I'll use whatever I have loaded up and sighted in at the time

[NuggzTheNinja]

think last year you posted pic results with 69 (?) grain smk out of 11.5". If you remember, was it pretty comparable or one is clearly better?

A couple years ago it was a different 77 grain load (CBC magtech) out of a 14.5" barrel. Range was a little longer than CQB distances but under 100 yd. It fragmented completely inside of the body cavity, no exit wound.

Interestingly behavior of the deer after being shot was similar...they went maybe 20 yd all in all. 5.56 is actually very effective with good shot placement. Maybe other rifle rounds would drop these animals in their tracks...I have no idea. I'm mainly an archery hunter so that's my baseline performance, and deer can runnnnnnn when hit with arrows.

Nuggz nice carnage pics. A lot of people still think .223/5.56 is a bad round for deer hunting, but like you've shown the right bullet matters as well as shot placement.

My good friend zapped four deer this season with Barnes 85 gr .223, three with a 10.3" DD and one with a 16" LWRC. Three of the four had no exit wound.

Oh damn I haven't seen rounds loaded in that bullet weight. Does it require a special chamber due to OAL? I've shot several types of animals with this round...skunk, foxes, deer, and groundhogs. It's performed in every case except the skunk. Not sure if it was a bad hit or just dumb luck but it took several rounds to do the job.

[benz5521]

Not scrolling back, any notable BF deals?

I picked up a chest rig from SS and already received and assembled it tonight. Pretty stoked with it so far. I now have a "micro" chest rig of three mags and an IFAK and this new rig which holds six mags, IFAK, and three additional pouches.

Side note, but I've also definitively decided I'll get an 11.5 and a 14.5 upper to run on the one SBR lower. All SR-15, of course.

This is still going.

https://www.primaryarms.com/steiner-...h-p3tr-reticle

[pUniCepts]

anyone listen to this yet? im like 1.5hr in and its legit. https://open.spotify.com/episode/0oz...qR9VT1ip1wI7xQ

read this as being 1.5 hr long and was like... ummmmmm, idk if I can listen that long.
4.5 (lol) hrs later, damn, actually was really good.

[rectifryer]

120fps is clearly superior

[kcuviello]

read this as being 1.5 hr long and was like... ummmmmm, idk if I can listen that long.
4.5 (lol) hrs later, damn, actually was really good.

haha yea that was surprising to see how long it was, but it was great.

check the video Benz posted - and they have some up on the GBRS group YouTube page. these are ...top tier elite bad guy murderers.

[criminal_manne]

Gods AR:

https://www.tinstarshootingrange.com...8289023292-707

Everything you need and nothing you don’t!

[Meatie]

Gods AR:

https://www.tinstarshootingrange.com...8289023292-707

Everything you need and nothing you don’t!

Better than Daniels D-Fense and KAC.

Probably on PAR with B-C-M

[Farley1324]

120fps is clearly superior

Even on my phone, scrolling through screens and websites, 120 is a noticeable difference

[benz5521]

Gods AR:

https://www.tinstarshootingrange.com...8289023292-707

Everything you need and nothing you don’t!

That’s ghey. You can get it done up proper already.

https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/877/

[Meatie]

That’s ghey. You can get it done up proper already.

https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/877/

I lol at when im playing insurgency:Sandstorm, there's a mode where you are forced to start with an M16. it takes 2-3 well placed shots to put the skinnies down. I remember the black hawk down vets complaining about how the caliber was anemic.

Battlefield pickup greesie Norinco AK47 time

[benz5521]

About phones.

I think I’m going to cancel my ATT plan. I’ve had it for like 15 years but where I live it’s awful. I have 1 bar right now in my house and speeds suck. Did some digging on Reddit for my area and that seems to be the consensus as well.

I have Verizon for work and it’s great but seems to be that around here Verizon is best but you pay for it. T-Mobile is very good in the area and the cheapest of the big 3. They are advertising $47 per line for unlimited everything and no speed caps. So might try that. I think all the phones are still back ordered though. I have an 11 pro. I want a 13 pro.

[benz5521]

I lol at when im playing insurgency:Sandstorm, there's a mode where you are forced to start with an M16. it takes 2-3 well placed shots to put the skinnies down. I remember the black hawk down vets complaining about how the caliber was anemic.

Battlefield pickup greesie Norinco AK47 time

Gordon Carbine from Black Hawk Down chits on everything. Even BCMs. This is my buddies and I want to build one. 12.5 barrels are tough to find though.

[LinuxJon]

Holy crap at how expensive sight installs have gotten. $75 labor plus sights local, $100 plus sights via HK directly.

Cheaper for me to just flip my VP9 and buy a model with night sights factory. lol

[Brozef]

Oh damn I haven't seen rounds loaded in that bullet weight. Does it require a special chamber due to OAL? I've shot several types of animals with this round...skunk, foxes, deer, and groundhogs. It's performed in every case except the skunk. Not sure if it was a bad hit or just dumb luck but it took several rounds to do the job.

Factory load. It's actually 5.56 not .223

OOS but here it is if you scroll down the page:

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/101629790

[Brozef]

Gods AR:

https://www.tinstarshootingrange.com...8289023292-707

Everything you need and nothing you don’t!

<3 <3 <3

[Raxys]

12.5 barrels are tough to find though.

https://www.ballisticadvantage.com/1...rn-series.html

https://criterionbarrels.com/product...v=7516fd43adaa

https://www.rainierarms.com/ballisti...t-barrel-12-5/

https://www.kakindustry.com/ar-15-pa...elonite-barrel

https://noveske.com/products/chf-chr...-basic-barrel/

https://danieldefense.com/12-5-5-56m...v-profile.html

[criminal_manne]

That’s ghey. You can get it done up proper already.

https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/877/

Naw heavy rail for gay attachments not needed. Pack light cuz. Tape for flashlight.

[Bo_Flecks]

Naw heavy rail for gay attachments not needed. Pack light cuz. Tape for flashlight.

Unless you’re kicking in doors, no need for a flashlight. Tree flares is where it’s at.

[criminal_manne]

Unless you’re kicking in doors, no need for a flashlight. Tree flares is where it’s at.

The man has spoken

[Farley1324]

About phones.

I think I’m going to cancel my ATT plan. I’ve had it for like 15 years but where I live it’s awful. I have 1 bar right now in my house and speeds suck. Did some digging on Reddit for my area and that seems to be the consensus as well.

I have Verizon for work and it’s great but seems to be that around here Verizon is best but you pay for it. T-Mobile is very good in the area and the cheapest of the big 3. They are advertising $47 per line for unlimited everything and no speed caps. So might try that. I think all the phones are still back ordered though. I have an 11 pro. I want a 13 pro.

Having traveled the country extensively (with ATT and Verizon phones both with us) I still say that Verizon has the best coverage, especially rural areas, regardless of what maps may indicate

[gbullock32]

Having traveled the country extensively (with ATT and Verizon phones both with us) I still say that Verizon has the best coverage, especially rural areas, regardless of what maps may indicate

Can confirm Verizon gets great coverage, even in the city I was getting 2 bars with Metro PCS, and no signal at all anytime I would drive places; Verizon is 4 bars minimum almost all the time.

[Meatie]

The man has spoken

Think someones ever ran NODS, but only had white light sources available, and ran them intentionally together?

[Bo_Flecks]

Think someones ever ran NODS, but only had white light sources available, and ran them intentionally together?

Nope. Our night vision goggles were heavy, smelled like bacon, and would blind you if they were hit by a white light source.

Not worth a shyt for fighting, but great for observation.

We had U-shaped flashlights with red lenses. Pretty much only good for reading maps under a poncho.

For the Boogaloo, disregard modern tech…acquire tree flares and Claymores. It turns everything into a turkey shoot.

Or so a friend told me.

[criminal_manne]

Anyone know where I could acquire tree flares and claymore ? Gonna form 4 the claymores of course.

[NuggzTheNinja]

Unless you’re kicking in doors, no need for a flashlight. Tree flares is where it’s at.

Been here a week now, waiting for a mission, getting softer. Every minute I stay in this room, I get weaker, and every minute Flecks squats in the bush installing tree flares around his perimeter, he gets stronger.

[gbullock32]

Been here a week now, waiting for a mission, getting softer. Every minute I stay in this room, I get weaker, and every minute Flecks squats in the bush installing tree flares around his perimeter, he gets stronger.

Just rewatched the remastered version on Netflix, man that was a great movie.

[Bo_Flecks]

Been here a week now, waiting for a mission, getting softer. Every minute I stay in this room, I get weaker, and every minute Flecks squats in the bush installing tree flares around his perimeter, he gets stronger.

I watched a snail crawl along the edge of a straight razor. That's my dream. It's my nightmare. Crawling, slithering, along the edge of a straight razor ... and surviving.

ETA: People don’t think guerrilla warfare be like it is… but it do.

[criminal_manne]

friends GF just told me she wants to get a gunlicense and asked what gun (pistol) i would recommend for her


...well misc?

glock 19 gen5 compact?

https://www.nighthawkcustom.com/pist...der/lady-hawk2

Lady Hawk. Perfect for any first time gun owner.