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09-26-2021, 08:19 AM #31
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09-26-2021, 09:21 AM #33
True, but my impression is that reliance on red meat is very common if not almost universal among top bodybuilders. Phil Heath is another example:
«As for the source of his protein, Phil favors red meat, especially steak. “I eat a lot more red meat in the off-season than I do precontest,” he says. “I love red meat because it helps me put on weight. I don’t know if it’s the creatine, B vitamins or zinc, but red meat helps me grow. My body responds really well to it.”»The first principle is that you must not fool yourself—and you are the easiest person to fool.
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09-26-2021, 09:25 AM #34
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You're quoting someone who is big because of genetics and drugs...
Pro bodybuilders don't even know why they do what they do 99% of the time... believe me, he'd be just the same with or without red meat.
They also believe that fish 'thins the skin', that dairy makes you 'puffy', and so on... and so on...
I don't think relying on someone whose body is driven by genetics and would be in the .0001% with or without any kind of training knowledge is a good idea for this subject. They would be amazing no matter what they did.
None of those nutrients you mentioned are unique to red meat... so again, it's not the fact that it's red meat. The name of a food doesn't make it special.
Not to mention, if bodybuilders mainly eat more red meat in the off-seasion, why would it be superior? It's higher in CALORIES, yeah, but that doesn't make it better in any other context.
Most of the time when they start cutting, they're trying to maintain mass as much as possible, so you'd think that logically they'd choose the best foods especially during THAT period when energy is scarce... and yet they switch to egg whites, chicken, fish... etc.
I'm not saying red meat is 'bad'... but let's not get into the kind of tribalism we also see in KETO/Carnivore crowds where people assign special value to foods just because they like them.
If you like red meat, cool, eat it... it doesn't have to be magical for you to like it."When I die, I hope it's early in the morning so I don't have to go to work that day for no reason"
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09-26-2021, 09:28 AM #35
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09-26-2021, 11:05 AM #46
Chicken is also cheaper and easier to use in a caloric deficit diet where you’re macros are super tight.
My earlier point was simply that the benefits of red meat are such that you can eat it once a week and it’s still an advantage. It was not to say that one should consume it every day.
Same with fish, except there might even be some evidence that suggests fish ED is possibly
Better in terms of health over many other forms of protein.
This wasn’t meant to be an absolute across the board. Anyone that claims that would be mistaken, IMO.One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
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09-26-2021, 12:21 PM #47
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09-26-2021, 01:33 PM #50
this thread is great, like all foods known for building slabs of muscle and increasing testosterone it gets attention especially from the closet fans of red meat.
been on these forums for about 7 months and have never seen a yogurt or granola thread go past a few replies without people falling asleep or more commonly not even give it a second glance.
think i'll celebrate by having a drink....wonder what kind of drink would be worthy in honor of this thread
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