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    Originally Posted by snailsrus View Post
    Op you are 190 lbs at 5’6 you should not have cheat days
    With those stats @18% bf, OP must be super jacked.
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    Unless of course…up regulation
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    Here's an idea supported by the evidence:

    If you happen to binge on like 8000+ calories... just sleep the next day, and make sure to do ZERO exercise. This should reverse the detrimental impacts of exercise on TDEE and induce a net negative energy balance.
    LMAO!!!!! I was wondering when someone was gonna bring that up

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    You can easily eat 10,000 calories in a day?

    That’s pretty damn hard IMO… at least ad libitum / not forcing
    This. I reached 10k a couple times in the "extreme hunger" phase of my anorexia recovery, but I don't even know if I could do it now with a concerted effort. Keep in mind my TDEE is currently 3.5k and I'm eating more than that daily to bulk. 10k is an absolutely ridiculous amount of calorie dense food.
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    You can easily eat 10,000 calories in a day?

    That’s pretty damn hard IMO… at least ad libitum / not forcing
    Only after cutting for an extended period of time where hunger goes up and its with str8 junk food lol a fan favorite is haagan daaz rockey road pint
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    Originally Posted by GayCumLord View Post
    Only after cutting for an extended period of time where hunger goes up and its with str8 junk food lol a fan favorite is haagan daaz rockey road pint
    Even still man… that’s like 9 pints…

    If you’re able to do that, you’re not dieting smart
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    LMAO!!!!! I was wondering when someone was gonna bring that up


    This. I reached 10k a couple times in the "extreme hunger" phase of my anorexia recovery, but I don't even know if I could do it now with a concerted effort. Keep in mind my TDEE is currently 3.5k and I'm eating more than that daily to bulk. 10k is an absolutely ridiculous amount of calorie dense food.
    Yup, I never counted but there were definitely a few times early on where I suspect 10k happened. It didn’t ‘feel’ physically good tho… and my guts definitely suffered in the short term

    Lately I’ve been on closer to 3.6k as my TDEE is closer to 3k and over feeding seems to just make it increase more. Basically if I eat 3k or 3300 nothing much happens I just feel hot and fidgety… it’s not until I hit above 3.5 where I finally can’t have my NEAT compensate for it.

    And at this current intake, my hunger never gets passed maybe a 6/10 level

    The idea of 10k to me only ever sounded appealing when I was starving myself and very underweight.
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Even still man… that’s like 9 pints…

    If you’re able to do that, you’re not dieting smart
    I just started doing cardio few times a week for the satiety effect, gonna rely on that to get me shredded like zyzz bra
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    How much should i eat now? How much weight should i lose in a week?
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    Originally Posted by tetizzurrr View Post
    How much should i eat now? How much weight should i lose in a week?
    .5-.1% of your bodyweight per week
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    Originally Posted by tetizzurrr View Post
    How much should i eat now? How much weight should i lose in a week?
    try 2000 calories a day. No cheat days. Minimum of 150 grams of protein and 70 grams of fat. Fill in the rest how you like. That would be roughly 500 calorie deficit a day and around 1 lb of weight loss a week
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    Originally Posted by tetizzurrr View Post
    I hired my first coach after years of training and learning by myself. He has been doing this for over 25 years. Real bodybuilding guy.

    He told me something crazy that sounds to good to be true.

    Im cutting right now and he told me that i can have a weekly cheatDAY. Not a meal, day. He says that if you go over your calories that day, your body can only store a maximum of 300-400 extra calories. All the other is just waste and you poop it out. So if youre going to cheat, cheat good and go over the 400 extra kcals.

    Its good for the metabolism he says.

    So people... facts???
    If I hired a coach I would stick with the plan. I wouldn't question anything unless it's been a while yet progress is not as planned. Coaches use different approaches to get you where you want to be. Some of the stuff coaches put down is too good to be true but hey follow the guideline and you will find out down the road.
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    Originally Posted by amalaw View Post
    If I hired a coach I would stick with the plan. I wouldn't question anything unless it's been a while yet progress is not as planned. Coaches use different approaches to get you where you want to be. Some of the stuff coaches put down is too good to be true but hey follow the guideline and you will find out down the road.
    First 2 weeks i didnt cheat i lost weight, second week i cheated i didnt lose weight. I feel fat and dont look like i progressed. Every month $150 for this
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    Originally Posted by tetizzurrr View Post
    How much should i eat now? How much weight should i lose in a week?
    you can have a maximum deficit of 30 calories for every pound of fat you carry. Say you have 30 lbs of fat that would be a max deficit of 900 calories a day. Whether you can handle that is a different story so cut on the fewest amount of calories you can sustain while getting in proper nutrients. Plus you don’t have to take in the same amount of calories every day. Add up a weeks worth and divide by 7 and this is your true daily amount
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    Originally Posted by amalaw View Post
    If I hired a coach I would stick with the plan. I wouldn't question anything unless it's been a while yet progress is not as planned. Coaches use different approaches to get you where you want to be. Some of the stuff coaches put down is too good to be true but hey follow the guideline and you will find out down the road.
    There are some bad coaches out there so blindly following one when it’s obvious they don’t know the basics is a bad idea
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    Originally Posted by tetizzurrr View Post
    I hired my first coach after years of training and learning by myself. He has been doing this for over 25 years. Real bodybuilding guy.

    He told me something crazy that sounds to good to be true.

    Im cutting right now and he told me that i can have a weekly cheatDAY. Not a meal, day. He says that if you go over your calories that day, your body can only store a maximum of 300-400 extra calories. All the other is just waste and you poop it out. So if youre going to cheat, cheat good and go over the 400 extra kcals.

    Its good for the metabolism he says.

    So people... facts???
    That does sound like something a bodybuilding guy would say. It’s odd, but I’ve found a lot of serious bodybuilders end up being the worst coaches.

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    Originally Posted by snailsrus View Post



    Op you are 190 lbs at 5’6 you should not have cheat days
    maybe he wants to be a powerlifter
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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    With those stats @18% bf, OP must be super jacked.
    if true we should be taking advice from him
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    As someone who enjoys hearty portions regularly, I still have never understood the appeal of these insane binges on a single day during cuts. Eating to a full stomach on even rich food ceilings out at probably 5,000-6,000 calories for most people I would think.

    I haven't been underweight in years though, so maybe when you're actually lean your desire to eat can realistically exceed your stomach being completely full.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Eating to a full stomach on even rich food ceilings out at probably 5,000-6,000 calories for most people I would think.
    It takes training to increase full stomach capacity, progressive overload.
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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    It takes training to increase full stomach capacity, progressive overload.
    10,000 a day is pretty extreme even for obese people who eat as much as they want all the time... That's like 4 large pizzas in one day. :/

    Ironically I'm listening to 10,000 Days by Tool right now which puts "10,000 calories a day" in a funny context.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    10,000 a day is pretty extreme even for obese people who eat as much as they want all the time... That's like 4 large pizzas in one day. :/
    Obese, sedentary people tend not to have the discipline and intestinal flexibility to progressively overload under a suitable training program in order to greatly increase stomach capacity when it counts. That's why competitive eating champions tend to be skinny or normal sized.
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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    That's why competitive eating champions tend to be skinny or normal sized.
    I thought that was because they were bulimic.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post

    Ironically I'm listening to 10,000 Days by Tool right now which puts "10,000 calories a day" in a funny context.
    got any undertow lying around?
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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    Obese, sedentary people tend not to have the discipline and intestinal flexibility to progressively overload under a suitable training program in order to greatly increase stomach capacity when it counts. That's why competitive eating champions tend to be skinny or normal sized.
    yeah ever see that little asian guy lol....dude would wreck people in a social environment if they made bets against him. he once ate like 60 hot dogs!!! very deceptive!
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    yeah ever see that little asian guy lol....dude would wreck people in a social environment if they made bets against him. he once ate like 60 hot dogs!!! very deceptive!
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    "I am just a worthless liar
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    Trust in me and fall as well

    I will find a center in you
    I will chew it up and leave
    Trust me, trust me, trust me!"

    That's a good one.
    That song/album is a masterpiece. Actually, so is the video. I used to install custom car audio when that came out. I used that album for demo because at the time the recording quality was 100 times better than anything else.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    10,000 a day is pretty extreme even for obese people who eat as much as they want all the time... That's like 4 large pizzas in one day. :/

    Ironically I'm listening to 10,000 Days by Tool right now which puts "10,000 calories a day" in a funny context.
    When I first stated tracking and was pushing 400 pounds I had plenty of 6k+ days and on nights I would drink I could clear 10k without trying. I see people on YT struggle with the binge challenges and often think I could do them easily. They really need to look into little Debbie's pretty sure I could smash 10 of those brownies in 5 minutes for 5k and be hungry again in a few hours.
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    Originally Posted by XinXom View Post
    When I first stated tracking and was pushing 400 pounds I had plenty of 6k+ days and on nights I would drink I could clear 10k without trying. I see people on YT struggle with the binge challenges and often think I could do them easily. They really need to look into little Debbie's pretty sure I could smash 10 of those brownies in 5 minutes for 5k and be hungry again in a few hours.
    Yeah, I guess if you're binge drinking also.

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    That song/album is a masterpiece. Actually, so is the video. I used to install custom car audio when that came out. I used that album for demo because at the time the recording quality was 100 times better than anything else.
    It's really good. I wasn't quite born yet when it came out and it's before my time, but I appreciate it a lot. I think either 10,000 Days or Lateralus is my favorite album (both of which I was alive for). Their audio has always struck me as sharp and clean sounding. Not sure if that has more to do with recording or instrumentation/style.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    "I am just a worthless liar
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    Trust in me and fall as well

    I will find a center in you
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    That's a good one.
    excellent choice in music...they are musicians, actually play instruments. nowadays that's becoming far less common.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Yeah, I guess if you're binge drinking also.



    It's really good. I wasn't quite born yet when it came out and it's before my time, but I appreciate it a lot. I think either 10,000 Days or Lateralus is my favorite album (both of which I was alive for). Their audio has always struck me as sharp and clean sounding. Not sure if that has more to do with recording or instrumentation/style.
    they were inspired by the likes of pink floyd and rush, a few more as well. Adam Jones is a master and his guitar has always had that crisp, clear sound to it. Not sure if it's because of his custom gibson or his style of playing.
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