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    The Significance of Afghanistan

    The globalist won.

    Lemme splain the Sino-Russo alliance versus the American Empire, the petrodollar, and Afghanistan.

    In 1971, Nixon took us off the gold standard so we can pay for the Vietnam War. That same year, the US gubmint promised Saudi Arabia military equipment and training. In exchange, Saudi Arabia will sell its oil using the dollar.

    THE PETRODOLLAR WAS BORN.

    Historically, when a nation hits a debt to GDP ratio of 20%, that nation's monetary system collapses.

    Currently, America's debt to GDP ratio is 125%.

    What has been "saving" us all years is we've been able to EXPORT our debt because the dollar is the world reserve currency.

    You broz follow me so far?

    THE PETRODOLLAR DIED LAST WEEK.

    Russia and Saudi Arabia signed an alliance similar to the 1971 alliance with the US. And it was no accident that Biden gave Afghanistan to China. Why?

    To complete the ONE BELT ROAD INITIATIVE (aka Silk Road). The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a major global infrastructure development project to assist growth of the Chinese economy and that of regions including South East Asia, the Middle East and Africa.

    This road will run through the northern part of A-stan. See map.



    Connect the dots yet?

    America used to be a manufacturing powerhouse. We used to have 60% manufacturing. Now it's less than 10%. China is the new manufacturing hub of the world. America is a nation of materialistic consumerists. We are addicted to China's crap. China knows this. China also knows America will collapse, so the Silk Road will provide a path for its new 'Dollar General' customers in Europe, Africa, Asia and the Middle East.

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    Counter-Point

    Afghanistan means nothing.
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    Originally Posted by eomrat View Post
    Counter-Point

    Afghanistan means nothing.
    Yes.

    In the grand scheme of the globalist agenda, Afghanistan means nothing indeed. Just like independent nations mean nothing to these scumbag NWO satanists.

    That's why it was given up. It's just a piece of land needed to build the road.
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    The sole purpose of our occupying Afghanistan was to keep Pakistan in check. We could not allow radical Islam to spread to Pakistan.

    Russia occupied Afghanistan to keep Iran in check. They did not want friendly Iran to fall to radical Islam.

    China will be following our lead in protecting Pakistan.
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    The US just lost a trillion $ opportunity to mine rare earth minerals in Afghanistan. Now, it will belong to China.
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    The US just lost a trillion $ opportunity to mine rare earth minerals in Afghanistan. Now, it will belong to China.

    Yeah, I don't see why China would risk getting itself stuck in Afghanistan. Costs will likely balloon, conflict will arise and it'll just end up more trouble than it's worth.

    If having the US & NATO there for 20 years wasn’t enough to get Halliburton, Schlumberger, or Rio Tinto interested in the place, it’s probably not economically viable.
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    Yeah, I don't see why China would risk getting itself stuck in Afghanistan. Costs will likely balloon, conflict will arise and it'll just end up more trouble than it's worth.

    If having the US & NATO there for 20 years wasn’t enough to get Halliburton, Schlumberger, or Rio Tinto interested in the place, it’s probably not economically viable.
    We will see, but IMO, China is licking its chops and it has billions to invest. Taliban is easily bribed and China has a completely different approach to the Taliban than Russia and US. That is, instead of war, China offers profit.
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    We will see, but IMO, China is licking its chops and it has billions to invest. Taliban is easily bribed and China has a completely different approach to the Taliban than Russia and US. That is, instead of war, China offers profit.
    Taliban will take profits but they are driven by fanatical Islam.
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    Taliban will take profits but they are driven by fanatical Islam.
    Do you really think there is anyone who doesn’t know that?
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    We will see, but IMO, China is licking its chops and it has billions to invest. Taliban is easily bribed and China has a completely different approach to the Taliban than Russia and US. That is, instead of war, China offers profit.
    What exactly do you think China can do differently than the US and USSR? Yeah, they can offer state supported industries, but so did the USSR. Yeah, China can throw around a lot of cash to pay off stakeholders, but so did the US.

    At the end of the day, there hasn’t been a fully functioning Afghan government in years, and that’s not just due to outside invasions. Afghanistan’s problems are just as much internal as external. Let’s say China get’s close to the Taliban. What about the Northern Alliance? What about factions within the Taliban itself?

    These are early days yet and the Taliban is no doubt riding high in their achievements. They’ve pushed out the invader, but I’d argue that’s the easy part. Now they have to go about setting up a modern nation state to rule over a country that large sections view them as illegitimate. The Taliban itself was united in pushing out the US. Now what do they have to unify them? They face the same problem the US and Afghan government did, namely local and tribal loyalties trump those of a more national one, even within the Taliban. This level of cohesion works while conducting an insurgency where there is a single objective, but that cohesion melts away as soon as there are spoils to be dealt out and everyone with an ounce of power wants a piece of the pie.

    Essentially, the Taliban will turn out to be no more a reliable partner for China than the Afghan government was for the US, at least for the foreseeable future. If China wants to hitch their horse to the Taliban in the name of resource extraction then they will have made the same mistake as the US. If China wants to go whole hog in their support, they will fall into the same trap of sunk costs and escalation as they have to protect their investment from threats internal and external.

    To say nothing of the influence the US and Russia still wield in the region. Are they supposed to just let China walk in and take control of all that wealth unopposed? No, they will back their own factions, if only to deny China a place of strategic interest and the wealth that comes from it.
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    Originally Posted by ConcertinaWire View Post
    Taliban will take profits but they are driven by fanatical Islam.
    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    Do you really think there is anyone who doesn’t know that?
    Yes Joe Biden and company, they think these cave dwellers can be rationalized with. Fanatical Islam and it's insane followers will be the eventual doom of this rock. They will populate the earth with their crazy followers and be chameleons when needed such as a few of our members of Congress. I am not religious in any way shape or form but GOD help us if one of these fanatics ever gets into an office higher than Congress. We already have the US media and the willing sheep peeing down their legs to appease that group in a vain attempt to not appear biased or racist or judgmental.
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    What exactly do you think China can do differently than the US and USSR? Yeah, they can offer state supported industries, but so did the USSR. Yeah, China can throw around a lot of cash to pay off stakeholders, but so did the US.

    At the end of the day, there hasn’t been a fully functioning Afghan government in years, and that’s not just due to outside invasions. Afghanistan’s problems are just as much internal as external. Let’s say China get’s close to the Taliban. What about the Northern Alliance? What about factions within the Taliban itself?

    These are early days yet and the Taliban is no doubt riding high in their achievements. They’ve pushed out the invader, but I’d argue that’s the easy part. Now they have to go about setting up a modern nation state to rule over a country that large sections view them as illegitimate. The Taliban itself was united in pushing out the US. Now what do they have to unify them? They face the same problem the US and Afghan government did, namely local and tribal loyalties trump those of a more national one, even within the Taliban. This level of cohesion works while conducting an insurgency where there is a single objective, but that cohesion melts away as soon as there are spoils to be dealt out and everyone with an ounce of power wants a piece of the pie.

    Essentially, the Taliban will turn out to be no more a reliable partner for China than the Afghan government was for the US, at least for the foreseeable future. If China wants to hitch their horse to the Taliban in the name of resource extraction then they will have made the same mistake as the US. If China wants to go whole hog in their support, they will fall into the same trap of sunk costs and escalation as they have to protect their investment from threats internal and external.

    To say nothing of the influence the US and Russia still wield in the region. Are they supposed to just let China walk in and take control of all that wealth unopposed? No, they will back their own factions, if only to deny China a place of strategic interest and the wealth that comes from it.
    The US did not go into Afghanistan for investment. It went there to kill Bin Laden. Russia had a failed military mission in Afghanistan. China isn't going there for war, but not looking for friendship with the Taliban. It is business. China just wants its resources. The US could have done that after trying to kill Bin Laden. But, we got bogged down.

    The factions, Northern Alliance don't even matter. The US could have had the resources and an arms-length partnership, but that is lost.

    Any, we disagree and that's ok.

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    Yes Joe Biden and company, they think these cave dwellers can be rationalized with. Fanatical Islam and it's insane followers will be the eventual doom of this rock. They will populate the earth with their crazy followers and be chameleons when needed such as a few of our members of Congress. I am not religious in any way shape or form but GOD help us if one of these fanatics ever gets into an office higher than Congress. We already have the US media and the willing sheep peeing down their legs to appease that group in a vain attempt to not appear biased or racist or judgmental.
    What really pisses me off is that the admin tells us that the Taliban and the US are in talks to bring back the remaining Americans, and not to worry. At least 7 passenger jets are on the tarmac in Afghanistan airport basically as hostages because the Taliban are using them for extortion.
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    We bankrupted ourselves trying to police far off lands. Trump was right all along.
    Yes. All by design. Bankers set up systems then eventually relocate thru a RESET. Trump should have killed the fed when he had the chance.

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    The sole purpose of our occupying Afghanistan was to keep Pakistan in check. We could not allow radical Islam to spread to Pakistan.

    Russia occupied Afghanistan to keep Iran in check. They did not want friendly Iran to fall to radical Islam.

    China will be following our lead in protecting Pakistan.
    Yes. You are right. On the surface level, you are spot on. But always dig deeper. Who created the islamists? It was western intelligence agencies. Iran and A-stan were secularist nations, then British Petroleum wanted Iran's oil so western intelligence agencies created the boogeyman islamist in the 50s in Iran. Same thing in A-stan. Western gubmints have lots of See Eye Ey type NGOs notorious for this.

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    The US just lost a trillion $ opportunity to mine rare earth minerals in Afghanistan. Now, it will belong to China.
    Yes. For sure.

    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    Yeah, I don't see why China would risk getting itself stuck in Afghanistan. Costs will likely balloon, conflict will arise and it'll just end up more trouble than it's worth.

    If having the US & NATO there for 20 years wasn’t enough to get Halliburton, Schlumberger, or Rio Tinto interested in the place, it’s probably not economically viable.
    Always follow the money. Everything else is noise.

    Originally Posted by Corbi View Post
    Yes Joe Biden and company, they think these cave dwellers can be rationalized with. Fanatical Islam and it's insane followers will be the eventual doom of this rock. They will populate the earth with their crazy followers and be chameleons when needed such as a few of our members of Congress. I am not religious in any way shape or form but GOD help us if one of these fanatics ever gets into an office higher than Congress. We already have the US media and the willing sheep peeing down their legs to appease that group in a vain attempt to not appear biased or racist or judgmental.
    Well said. When a non-Christian bro like yourself sees the Spiritual Warfare, you know $hit just got real. Follow the money, but it goes deeper than the fiat. That's for sure. What's happening all around us is Biblical.

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    Trump stood in the way of all of this. He had to go.
    Bingo. That's why I supported him twice. He wasn't perfect, but he did a lot of great things not just for America, but for Humanity in general.

    I just wished he killed the fed the way Andrew Jackson did back then.
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    Originally Posted by ConcertinaWire View Post
    We bankrupted ourselves trying to police far off lands. Trump was right all along.
    "We" "Police far off land's"


    Even when it's laid out in their face they don't get it.
    Op explained it and he still thinks Trump was special Lol
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    Originally Posted by BK909 View Post
    "We" "Police far off land's"


    Even when it's laid out in their face they don't get it.
    Op explained it and he still thinks Trump was special Lol
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    Holy cow, look at that map, that road ploughs through Germany and going by the scale, that yellow road (yellow = coincidence my a$$) must be at least 30 miles wide.
    Is Biden going to throw Germany to the Chinese as well? When will he stop? This is staggering, sickening even! We need Team America to sort this out, send out the signal. "Terrorise This!" Biden!
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    What exactly do you think China can do differently than the US and USSR? Yeah, they can offer state supported industries, but so did the USSR. Yeah, China can throw around a lot of cash to pay off stakeholders, but so did the US.

    At the end of the day, there hasn’t been a fully functioning Afghan government in years, and that’s not just due to outside invasions. Afghanistan’s problems are just as much internal as external. Let’s say China get’s close to the Taliban. What about the Northern Alliance? What about factions within the Taliban itself?

    These are early days yet and the Taliban is no doubt riding high in their achievements. They’ve pushed out the invader, but I’d argue that’s the easy part. Now they have to go about setting up a modern nation state to rule over a country that large sections view them as illegitimate. The Taliban itself was united in pushing out the US. Now what do they have to unify them? They face the same problem the US and Afghan government did, namely local and tribal loyalties trump those of a more national one, even within the Taliban. This level of cohesion works while conducting an insurgency where there is a single objective, but that cohesion melts away as soon as there are spoils to be dealt out and everyone with an ounce of power wants a piece of the pie.

    Essentially, the Taliban will turn out to be no more a reliable partner for China than the Afghan government was for the US, at least for the foreseeable future. If China wants to hitch their horse to the Taliban in the name of resource extraction then they will have made the same mistake as the US. If China wants to go whole hog in their support, they will fall into the same trap of sunk costs and escalation as they have to protect their investment from threats internal and external.

    To say nothing of the influence the US and Russia still wield in the region. Are they supposed to just let China walk in and take control of all that wealth unopposed? No, they will back their own factions, if only to deny China a place of strategic interest and the wealth that comes from it.
    Here, I'll help:

    China doesn't care what the Taliban does to their own people, or the west. Russia, at the time, the USSR, was an expansionist, revolutionary communist government. China is not, they'd rather let you sell yourself into slavery than try to police you.
    What part of "Shall Not Be Infringed" are you having trouble with?

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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    What exactly do you think China can do differently than the US and USSR? Yeah, they can offer state supported industries, but so did the USSR. Yeah, China can throw around a lot of cash to pay off stakeholders, but so did the US.

    At the end of the day, there hasn’t been a fully functioning Afghan government in years, and that’s not just due to outside invasions. Afghanistan’s problems are just as much internal as external. Let’s say China get’s close to the Taliban. What about the Northern Alliance? What about factions within the Taliban itself?

    These are early days yet and the Taliban is no doubt riding high in their achievements. They’ve pushed out the invader, but I’d argue that’s the easy part. Now they have to go about setting up a modern nation state to rule over a country that large sections view them as illegitimate. The Taliban itself was united in pushing out the US. Now what do they have to unify them? They face the same problem the US and Afghan government did, namely local and tribal loyalties trump those of a more national one, even within the Taliban. This level of cohesion works while conducting an insurgency where there is a single objective, but that cohesion melts away as soon as there are spoils to be dealt out and everyone with an ounce of power wants a piece of the pie.

    Essentially, the Taliban will turn out to be no more a reliable partner for China than the Afghan government was for the US, at least for the foreseeable future. If China wants to hitch their horse to the Taliban in the name of resource extraction then they will have made the same mistake as the US. If China wants to go whole hog in their support, they will fall into the same trap of sunk costs and escalation as they have to protect their investment from threats internal and external.

    To say nothing of the influence the US and Russia still wield in the region. Are they supposed to just let China walk in and take control of all that wealth unopposed? No, they will back their own factions, if only to deny China a place of strategic interest and the wealth that comes from it.

    Russia and the US tried to prop up unpopular governments. The Chinese will not do that.
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    Originally Posted by eomrat View Post
    Russia and the US tried to prop up unpopular governments. The Chinese will not do that.



    It’s not like China has some magic extraction process that can operate economically unviable mines in lawless places without any infrastructure. If the Chinese truly have an eye on Afghanistan's mineral wealth, they are no doubt going to have to get their hands dirty just as the Soviets and Americans have done as the the security situation isn’t improving anytime soon.

    China did not jump in whole heartedly despite the Obama admin explicitly allowing Chinese companies to mine, because of the cost and risk. Even with America shouldering the bulk of security and infrastructure costs, it was not profitable and/or too risky for companies to make a large capital investment. And China has been struggling just doing infrastructure in Pakistan, not sure how they would fare any better in somewhere as bad as Afghanistan.
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    It’s not like China has some magic extraction process that can operate economically unviable mines in lawless places without any infrastructure. If the Chinese truly have an eye on Afghanistan's mineral wealth, they are no doubt going to have to get their hands dirty just as the Soviets and Americans have done as the the security situation isn’t improving anytime soon.

    China did not jump in whole heartedly despite the Obama admin explicitly allowing Chinese companies to mine, because of the cost and risk. Even with America shouldering the bulk of security and infrastructure costs, it was not profitable and/or too risky for companies to make a large capital investment. And China has been struggling just doing infrastructure in Pakistan, not sure how they would fare any better in somewhere as bad as Afghanistan.


    China made it work in Africa and Sri Lanka

    China will make it work in Afghan.
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    Originally Posted by Slaydom View Post
    China made it work in Africa and Sri Lanka

    China will make it work in Afghan.

    Afghanistan is in the bottom 10 countries for thing like per capital gdp and literacy while having one of the highest elevations and low levels of things like road and rail km per person. It is incredibly undeveloped. Most of Africa is better developed, richer and much better educated than it.

    I think there are a lot of people who see it on a par with maybe Libya or Iraq. Those are far more developed, educated and wealthier countries. Its really one of the toughest, poorest, least educated places on Earth.

    Every single one of the Central Asian countries is sitting on multiple trillions of theoretical mineral value, but the difference between them and Afghanistan is that they have the data on deposits and proper infrastructure to deliver those deposits in a timely and economical fashion. Turning the Afghan mining industry around will require multiple decades - this isn't something you can just spin up in an office like a tech startup.

    China has been burned before. In the mid-2000s, investors led by state-owned Metallurgical Corp. of China Ltd. won an almost $3 billion bid to mine copper at Mes Aynak, near Kabul. It still hasn’t seen any output due to a series of delays ranging from security concerns to the discovery of historical artifacts, and there’s still no rail or power plant.
    https://energypost.eu/is-china-reall...ral-resources/

    There's still no infrastructure there because they were originally planning to build a coal power plant on the site but they realized partly through the process that there wasn't enough coal there. And they're still on the hunt inside Afghanistan to find viable deposits of phosphates that will be used for smelting. Whether they can find enough coal and phosphates will determine the viability of the project. It appears much of these deposits are just claimed deposits, and upon further investigation they turn up bust.

    Why would any company that wants to see a return within a generation go there as opposed to a country like Uzbekistan ($5T+ theoretical minerals) where there is much better data on deposits, infrastructure, trained workforce, and all the other structural advantages?

    How will they out-compete this?

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    Originally Posted by eomrat View Post
    Russia and the US tried to prop up unpopular governments. The Chinese will not do that.
    You been watching what they've been doing in Africa in the last 20years? Point taken not with boots on the ground, but using investment-colonialism they certainly do. The idea is you can get a country to accept a huge loan they will fail to repay, maybe for developing ports, roads, railways, airports if it wasn't squandered to local corruption (such humanitarianism) and in some years when they can't meet payments you get to negotiate lock-in deals on terms of your choosing, financial and political. The West thought they could play that game but the Chinese are the undisputed masters. They have huge and growing influence in Eastern Africa especially and they will prop up whoever suits their own interests.
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    Originally Posted by exrepubusa View Post
    that’s a lie but that’s what extremists do all the time, lie and lie and lie some more
    Thanks for including your two IQ points in this discussion.

    Please educate yourself next time. He's not saying they have it right now, but they are going for it.

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