Nobel prize winner warns against mass vaccination

[entropy91]

https://thenewamerican.com/french-no...o-reject-jabs/


Not sure if this has been posted. I tried reading his letter, but it's in French. What do pro vaxxers say against this?

[keyboardworkout]

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD?ref_s...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Robert W Malone, MD

@RWMaloneMD

Inventor of mRNA vaccines and RNA as a drug, Bench to Bedside vaccines and biologics consulting.

I guess I need to say this again.

1) Delta has an Ro of about 8, about 3x that of the Alpha (ref- CDC). With these leaky vaccines, if we were to have 100% vaccine uptake and perfect mask use we cannot stop the spread of Delta (ref- CDC).

2) The current vaccines provide about 50-60% efficacy in protection from infection. They are not fully protective.

3) If you are vaccinated and become infected ("breakthrough"), the virus will replicate at the same or higher levels than if you were unvaccinated and then become infected.

4) If you are vaccinated and then become infected, your risk of transmitting virus to someone else is quite high - remember, the Ro measures how likely you are to transmit the virus.

5) If you are vaccinated and then become infected, your risk of developing severe disease or dying is better than if you were not vaccinated and then become infected with Delta.

6) Therefore, if you are vaccinated and then become infected, you MAY have a higher risk of becoming a "superspreader" because you are less likely to show disease. This has not been measured, but it should be.

[ItsWhatIDo]

He's a fuking virologist so he probably knows what he's talking about more than the cnn anchor who will cancel him but the nobel prize doesn't mean chit, obama has a nobel peace prize lol

Prove he actually said this.

I’ll save you time. He didn’t.

Let’s ignore the fact that every dope on here keeps saying variants aren’t scary because viruses weaken when they mutate. This quote suggests the opposite.

[Polaris]

Well, then don't trust THAT Science.

[entropy91]

Prove he actually said this.

I’ll save you time. He didn’t.

Let’s ignore the fact that every dope on here keeps saying variants aren’t scary because viruses weaken when they mutate. This quote suggests the opposite.

Reuters says he did

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile..../idUSL2N2ND0WS

But don't worry, Reuters says he's wrong about it. Take the jab like a good goy.

[ninetynine8]

who gives a fuk? wincel says to take it so i'm taking it.

[bishbash]

Reuters says he did

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile..../idUSL2N2ND0WS

But don't worry, Reuters says he's wrong about it. Take the jab like a good goy.

"There is no evidence to back up this claim, nor was Reuters able to find any instance where the laureate made this comment."

[xeron]

So what sketchy sites exist with fake vaccine info? Fake cards? Using a prosthetic arm, etc?

4chan is a CIA honey pot trying to influence white teenage boys to hate themselves judging from the amount of BBC > white dink and tranny threads, so what are the real places chit like this is discussed?

[ItsWhatIDo]

Reuters says he did

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile..../idUSL2N2ND0WS

But don't worry, Reuters says he's wrong about it. Take the jab like a good goy.

What you just posted. From the first paragraph

There is no evidence to back up this claim, nor was Reuters able to find any instance where the laureate made this comment.

Anti vax education level for you

[dave.mc]

Why are the anti vax crowd so desperate for these jabs to be harmful? The Misc has always been a toxic place but you guys really have some issues that need to be looked at, get help before you shoot up a school or something!

[EagleOfWar]

Prove he actually said this.

I’ll save you time. He didn’t.

Let’s ignore the fact that every dope on here keeps saying variants aren’t scary because viruses weaken when they mutate. This quote suggests the opposite.

The article is correct imo. These vaxx are only making the virus variants. Each will come with different qualities.

[ItsWhatIDo]

The article is correct imo. These vaxx are only making the virus variants. Each will come with different qualities.

In your opinion? Where did you get your doctorate in virology from?

Why isn’t the polio variant running rampant still?

The delta variant came out of India where almost no one was vaccinated.

[pondus_levo]

In your opinion? Where did you get your doctorate in virology from?

Why isn’t the polio variant running rampant still?

The delta variant came out of India where almost no one was vaccinated.

Because polio is not a zoonotic virus. Covid is.

Also, India has given 550 million does of vax, but only like 12% is fully vaxxed. This allows leakage, which leads to mutation.

Were you the one talking about education level?

[EagleOfWar]

Why are the anti vax crowd so desperate for these jabs to be harmful? The Misc has always been a toxic place but you guys really have some issues that need to be looked at, get help before you shoot up a school or something!

You’re projecting. There’s a small amount that do come off as you put it, but what’s toxic about the discussion of the topic? You know, the other 98% of “anti Covid vaccinecels” that want to be informed of what both sides of experts are saying. It’s still their opinion and it’s become too political for a lot of them not to interject their bias behind their opinion on it. Why is questioning this current vax so toxic when statistics are all over the place and you have to take into account where those statics came from.


From where I sit, the people who are so pro Covid vaxx are pressuring others who want more info. That’s a red flag to anyone thinking clearly. I hope this vaccine gets perfected, works and Is proven perfectly safe. I’ll get it when I feel like that’s the case. This delta variant doesn’t seem to care who’s had the vaxx or not.

[EagleOfWar]

In your opinion? Where did you get your doctorate in virology from?

Why isn’t the polio variant running rampant still?

The delta variant came out of India where almost no one was vaccinated.

That’s why I said “in my opinion”. As in just me. I don’t think you know the truth to what you’re claiming either so who’s the one trying to talk out of their ass here? Read above.

[entropy91]

What you just posted. From the first paragraph



Anti vax education level for you

You are one of the dumbest individuals I have ever come across on the internet. Why don't you actually read the article you imbecile.

The 2-minute interview clip shows Montagnier claiming COVID-19 vaccines cause antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) – in other words, they cause worse disease than before. He says this is apparent by observing where “the curve of vaccination is followed by the curve of deaths”.

The article was stating some off the wall comments of him saying anyone who received the vaccine would die were false. You've just made yourself look completely retarded. I almost feel sorry for you.

This is the part where you disappear from this thread and go clean the giant chit I just took on your chest.

[dave.mc]

You’re projecting. There’s a small amount that do come off as you put it, but what’s toxic about the discussion of the topic? You know, the other 98% of “anti Covid vaccinecels” that want to be informed of what both sides of experts are saying. It’s still their opinion and it’s become too political for a lot of them not to interject their bias behind their opinion on it. Why is questioning this current vax so toxic when statistics are all over the place and you have to take into account where those statics came from.


From where I sit, the people who are so pro Covid vaxx are pressuring others who want more info. That’s a red flag to anyone thinking clearly. I hope this vaccine gets perfected, works and Is proven perfectly safe. I’ll get it when I feel like that’s the case. This delta variant doesn’t seem to care who’s had the vaxx or not.

Have you seen the posts in the R&P section regarding vaccines, those guys are desperate for mass deaths from the vaccines, it's genuinely disturbing reading some of that ****.

I was hesitant at first as well but ended up getting the Pfizer jab, got Covid a month later and was fine. I have no problem with people that are hesitant and cautious about the vaccine, my comment was aimed at the people on here that "want" the vaccine to be harmful.

[Dan_S]

Why are the anti vax crowd so desperate for these jabs to be harmful? The Misc has always been a toxic place but you guys really have some issues that need to be looked at, get help before you shoot up a school or something!

Why is the pro-vax crowd so desperate to force me to take the vaccine?

[entropy91]

In your opinion? Where did you get your doctorate in virology from?

Why isn’t the polio variant running rampant still?

The delta variant came out of India where almost no one was vaccinated.

Lol so you ask for credentials, but when a Nobel prize winner and expert in virology speaks out against the vaccine you have nothing to say. You are the embodiment of an NPC.

Brutal.

[ItsWhatIDo]

Because polio is not a zoonotic virus. Covid is.

Also, India has given 550 million does of vax, but only like 12% is fully vaxxed. This allows leakage, which leads to mutation.

Were you the one talking about education level?

He said vaccinations cause variants. Nothing about type of virus. I thought covid was a Chinese lab leak not zoonotic? Are you saying polio isn’t an RNA virus that mutates? Only coronavirus can?

Delta variant was way before the vaccination levels you quoted.

Lol so you ask for credentials, but when a Nobel prize winner and expert in virology speaks out against the vaccine you have nothing to say. You are the embodiment of an NPC.

Brutal.

Sigh. Look at my earlier quote…. He didn’t say it.

Sad

[stevemckenna]

Why is the pro-vax crowd so desperate to force me to take the vaccine?

If they're going down, they're going to take everyone with them.

[plsmire]

"There is no evidence to back up this claim, nor was Reuters able to find any instance where the laureate made this comment."

Owner of Reuters on the board of Pfizer. Go figure.

[Jimmehhh]

You are one of the dumbest individuals I have ever come across on the internet. Why don't you actually read the article you imbecile.



The article was stating some off the wall comments of him saying anyone who received the vaccine would die were false. You've just made yourself look completely retarded. I almost feel sorry for you.

This is the part where you disappear from this thread and go clean the giant chit I just took on your chest.

[entropy91]

"There is no evidence to back up this claim, nor was Reuters able to find any instance where the laureate made this comment."

Another low IQ mongoloid

VERDICT

False. Reuters was unable to find any instance of Montagnier saying the cited quote. His actual comment about ADE is inaccurate and does not reflect real-world evidence.

Don't you have to be over 13 years old to use this forum?

[entropy91]

He said vaccinations cause variants. Nothing about type of virus. I thought covid was a Chinese lab leak not zoonotic? Are you saying polio isn’t an RNA virus that mutates? Only coronavirus can?

Delta variant was way before the vaccination levels you quoted.



Sigh. Look at my earlier quote…. He didn’t say it.

Sad

For the third time now:

VERDICT

False. Reuters was unable to find any instance of Montagnier saying the cited quote. His actual comment about ADE is inaccurate and does not reflect real-world evidence.

Hope you've hoarded enough toilet paper to clean those giant dumps off your chest.

Fkin BRUTAL.

[entropy91]

"There is no evidence to back up this claim, nor was Reuters able to find any instance where the laureate made this comment."

Just to point out how absolutely retarded these people are. This is the first paragraph.

A baseless quote has been widely attributed to a Nobel Prize winner to claim people will die from antibody-dependent enhancement after receiving a COVID-19 jab. There is no evidence to back up this claim, nor was Reuters able to find any instance where the laureate made this comment.

This is a prime example of how the low IQ NPC neural network scans for the first instance of the article fitting their narrative. The NPC does not read the article in entirety; it merely tries to regurgitate bits that carry the torch of their agenda.

[katya422]

Prove he actually said this.

I’ll save you time. He didn’t.

Let’s ignore the fact that every dope on here keeps saying variants aren’t scary because viruses weaken when they mutate. This quote suggests the opposite.

Pub Date: July 27, 2015

Vaccination could prompt the evolution of more virulent pathogens in the following way. It is usually assumed that the primary force preventing the evolutionary emergence of more virulent strains is that they kill their hosts and, therefore, truncate their own infectious periods. If so, keeping hosts alive with vaccines that reduce disease but do not prevent infection, replication, and transmission [so-called “imperfect” vaccines] could allow more virulent strains to circulate. Natural selection will even favour their circulation if virulent strains have a higher transmission in the absence of host death or are better able to overcome host immunity. Thus, life-saving vaccines have the potential to increase mean disease virulence of a pathogen population [as assayed in unvaccinated hosts] [2–4].

The plausibility of this idea [hereafter called the “imperfect-vaccine hypothesis”] has been confirmed with mathematical models [2,5–9]. Efficacy and mode of action are key. If the vaccine is sterilizing, so that transmission is stopped, no evolution can occur. But if it is non-sterilizing, so that naturally acquired pathogens can transmit from immunized individuals [what we hereafter call a “leaky” vaccine], virulent strains will be able to circulate in situations in which natural selection would have once removed them [2]. Thus, anti-disease vaccines [those reducing in-host replication or pathogenicity) have the potential to generate evolution harmful to human and animal well-being; infection- or transmission-blocking vaccines do not [2–9]. Note that the possibility of vaccine-driven virulence evolution is conceptually distinct from vaccine-driven epitope evolution [antigenic escape], in which variants of target antigens evolve because they enable pathogens that are otherwise less fit to evade vaccine-induced immunity. The evolution of escape variants has been frequently observed [4,10].

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiolog...l.pbio.1002198

He said vaccinations cause variants. Nothing about type of virus. I thought covid was a Chinese lab leak not zoonotic? Are you saying polio isn’t an RNA virus that mutates? Only coronavirus can?

Delta variant was way before the vaccination levels you quoted.



Sigh. Look at my earlier quote…. He didn’t say it.

Sad

Vaccine trials preceded Delta:

The other side of the argument seems to have a steep uphill climb, and I've so far not talked to anyone in genetics who feels otherwise. The closest thing to that was an email exchange with Biostatistics Professor Jeffrey Morris, who began with the position, "All of these variants were around before vaccination started so, if vaccination produces any variants, they haven’t appeared yet." After I explained his mistake, he shifted to,

But vaccine trials involve thousands of individuals in a population of many millions.

There is no conceivable way for a few thousand vaccinated to drive the evolution of new variants.

But this takes no conditional into account. While geography is certainly not the most restrictive conditional [after all, we're talking about...vaccine-resistant variants as per antibody escape, not T cell or PK cell escape], this response disrespects the coincidence factor. Take the individual probability coincidence factor to the fourth power and we get something like a black swan. I politely offered to walk through the math, but he settled with, "I don’t need someone to walk me through the math; I am a Biostatistics professor." A few fruitless emails later, he produced no math at all.

I'm guessing he doesn't do work in genetics, but he might be the one person I've encountered with any computational genetics background sticking to the narrative. It is what it is, I guess.

https://roundingtheearth.substack.co...d-immunity-3ca

[Kiop]

[entropy91]

Pub Date: July 27, 2015



https://journals.plos.org/plosbiolog...l.pbio.1002198



Vaccine trials preceded Delta:



https://roundingtheearth.substack.co...d-immunity-3ca

Thanks for those links. Will read tonight.

[entropy91]

Weird how he completely disappeared. He asked for credentials regarding the vaccine. We have arguably the most accredited person on Earth arguing against it. Not a peep.

The silence is deafening.