How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[BlackJack619]

The Holy Ghost is the greatest teacher.

[thedickus]

The Historical Jesus did claim to be God, but He did it in veiled language so that unbelievers and mockers like yourself would continue in unbelief, lest they should believe and be saved

Did you need your secret Jesus decoder ring? You're taking on quite the gnostic slant there Scotty, better be careful. Pretty soon you'll be seeing Judas as the hero of the passion stories like the other gnostics.

Scotty, so obviously you have no idea what is meant by the historical Jesus. You can't prove the historical Jesus did something by reciting things in the new testament. The bible isn't considered to be a historically reliable or accurate document. The historical Jesus was a torah observant jew. He would never claimed to have been god, that would've been blasphemous to his beliefs.

The only slavery that is permitted is voluntary with a couple of exceptions in time of Judgement of very wicked nations. It was also for a period of 7 years and they were not permitted to mistreat the slaves. It was not like the slavery that occurred in the US and other Nations.

How many times do you keep going back to this blatant lie? The rules of slavery you keep trying to sugarcoat apply only to Israelite slaves, as if one human owning another human as property in any context is anything but evil. Non-Israelites are to be slaves for life. You simply stop reading Yahweh's slave ownership handbook and conveniently over look this fact. Your god endorses slavery, that's a bad god.

God does value the baby in the womb as human life and I just proved it to you, but obviously it went over your head like usual. This is about men fighting and causing harm to an unborn BABY.

Absolutely wrong Scotty. Dead fetus (a fetus isn't a baby) equals a fine. Dead pregnant woman equals life for life punishment. Your god treats the fetus as the same value of life he would a goat, just property.

No other God was present at the Creation Story with God. Elohim The Trinity was talking within Himself.

Uh-oh. It seems that Scotty thinks that Yahweh was up in heaven with Jesus and the holy spirit/logos talking about making man in their image in the creation story in Genesis. Grouchy has said that's not true, Yahweh was talking to himself only and he apparently uses the royal "we" when referring to himself. Grouchy doesn't appear to think that Jesus was a pre-existent god. Grouchy has used a statement by Ehrman to prove this to himself. Ehrman doesn't think that the "trinity" was involved or in any discussion in the creation story in Genesis. I follow along with Hebrew scholars, where the wide spread consensus is that Yahweh was talking to the other gods that made up the divine council. Hebrew scholars have shown that the beliefs of the Israelites went from polytheism to henotheism to monotheism as the stories in the old testament were made up.

Grouchy hasn't been able to disprove this. He keeps citing from versions of the bible that have had the polytheism/henotheism of the Israelites whitewashed from it.

Kangaroos hopping across the ocean? That's pretty funny, but the earth was a supercontinent PANGEA until the flood. No need to hop across oceans.

Are you related to Bobby? Because science completely disagrees with you by a few scant millions of years.

There is overwhelming evidence for God and specifically, the God of the Bible.

GROUCHY has proven these things to you.
I have proven these things to you.
BlackJack has also taught you things which you reject.

The problem is YOU.

Not a shred of evidence for the existence of any god. Pretty sure someone would've won a Nobel Prize by now if they were able to prove the existence of any god. Neither Grouchy, you, or BlackJack Meatpockets have been able to prove a single thing you've said. If you want to specifically disprove your god, that's easy Scotty. Just read the bible then fact check it. It has more lies in it than a Trump State of the Union Address, and that's hard to do!

It's pretty easy to see where the problem is. It's gullibility.
Apologist: My god is real but all the others are false. I know this because my god tells me so.
Atheist: But, the other gods tell their followers that your god is false. and their gods are real.
Apologist: My god said their gods would say that.
Atheist: But their gods say that about your god.
Apologist: But my god said it first.
Atheist: Actually there are records of the other gods saying it first.
Apologist: Well their gods stole it from my god.
Atheist: They couldn't have stolen it from your god if their god said if first.
Apologist: It's satan!

[ScottLefler]

Not a shred of evidence for the existence of any god. Pretty sure someone would've won a Nobel Prize by now if they were able to prove the existence of any god. Neither Grouchy, you, or BlackJack Meatpockets have been able to prove a single thing you've said. If you want to specifically disprove your god, that's easy Scotty. Just read the bible then fact check it. It has more lies in it than a Trump State of the Union Address, and that's hard to do!

You have been shown tons of evidence, it's your choice if you don't want to believe, but LOTS of evidence for the existence of God. You can't show a shred of evidence that Life can come from non life and that matter and energy can be created from nothing. I am sure anyone who could do so would win a Nobel Prize. Grouchy and BlackJack have proven things to you as well. Trump did an awesome job and yeah he does have too much common sense for someone like you who hates facts and logic and truth.

[mtpockets]

[thedickus]

You have been shown tons of evidence, it's your choice if you don't want to believe, but LOTS of evidence for the existence of God. You can't show a shred of evidence that Life can come from non life and that matter and energy can be created from nothing. I am sure anyone who could do so would win a Nobel Prize. Grouchy and BlackJack have proven things to you as well. Trump did an awesome job and yeah he does have too much common sense for someone like you who hates facts and logic and truth.

I haven't been shown a shred of evidence. I've just had a few sheeple quoting bible verses to me. Scholars have disproved your interpretation of bible verses or the actual authenticity of them. The actual bible that Jesus would've used wouldn't have said anything about god creating the universe from nothing. This is a much newer christian belief. Scholars know that the people who wrote the bible said in the beginning when god began to form the universe. This presupposes existing matter, like a sculptor forming "creating" a statue out of clay. The earliest translations mentions that there were other gods along with Yahweh. This is not ground breaking information. It's been known by scholars. Most of the bibles you read come from the Leningrad Codex which is from the 11th century AD, not BC, but AD. There are much earlier manuscripts in existence that show how the ancient Israelites were monotheistic. The Dead Sea Scrolls for instance has Deuteronomy 32:8 replace the reference to other gods (sons of god) with "sons of Israel". Sons of god were divine/other gods members of the divine council.
Why is your faith so unbelievably fragile that it can't handle the truth? Why must people like you and Grouchy continually try to perpetuate lies? I have shown you the truth. Actual scholars know the ancient Israelites were polytheistic and that your god Yahweh came from other gods and morphed into monotheism over the years. Scholars know that the historical Jesus was a torah observant Jew and would never have called himself god. None of the gospel writers have Jesus calling himself god until the last written gospel John puts those words in his mouth. Jesus would have never thought there was a holy trinity. There's no mention of the trinity in the actual bible. No where other than in 1st John can you even try to show there's anything to do with a trinitarian belief. The verse in 1st John about the the three that bear record in heaven being one was not in the original or oldest manuscripts. It was added by a scribe around 1000 years after the book was written, it's complete forgery/lie. Again, scholars know this, it's not ground breaking news. Why do you have to keep telling these blatant lies? Why can't your faith handle the truth Scotty? Why do you need for these lies to be true?
Jesus isn't even the most important character in the bible, not by a long shot.

Edit: The fact that you're gullible enough to think that the lying Trump did an awesome job is pretty telling as to why you're gullible enough to believe in the buII$hlt lies of the bible.

[thedickus]

Awesome Pockets! I haven't seen this one before.

Scotty,
You can use this as proof that your god created motorcycles 5000 years ago.

[ScottLefler]

I haven't been shown a shred of evidence. I've just had a few sheeple quoting bible verses to me. Scholars have disproved your interpretation of bible verses or the actual authenticity of them. The actual bible that Jesus would've used wouldn't have said anything about god creating the universe from nothing. This is a much newer christian belief. Scholars know that the people who wrote the bible said in the beginning when god began to form the universe. This presupposes existing matter, like a sculptor forming "creating" a statue out of clay. The earliest translations mentions that there were other gods along with Yahweh. This is not ground breaking information. It's been known by scholars. Most of the bibles you read come from the Leningrad Codex which is from the 11th century AD, not BC, but AD. There are much earlier manuscripts in existence that show how the ancient Israelites were monotheistic. The Dead Sea Scrolls for instance has Deuteronomy 32:8 replace the reference to other gods (sons of god) with "sons of Israel". Sons of god were divine/other gods members of the divine council.
Why is your faith so unbelievably fragile that it can't handle the truth? Why must people like you and Grouchy continually try to perpetuate lies? I have shown you the truth. Actual scholars know the ancient Israelites were polytheistic and that your god Yahweh came from other gods and morphed into monotheism over the years. Scholars know that the historical Jesus was a torah observant Jew and would never have called himself god. None of the gospel writers have Jesus calling himself god until the last written gospel John puts those words in his mouth. Jesus would have never thought there was a holy trinity. There's no mention of the trinity in the actual bible. No where other than in 1st John can you even try to show there's anything to do with a trinitarian belief. The verse in 1st John about the the three that bear record in heaven being one was not in the original or oldest manuscripts. It was added by a scribe around 1000 years after the book was written, it's complete forgery/lie. Again, scholars know this, it's not ground breaking news. Why do you have to keep telling these blatant lies? Why can't your faith handle the truth Scotty? Why do you need for these lies to be true?
Jesus isn't even the most important character in the bible, not by a long shot.

Edit: The fact that you're gullible enough to think that the lying Trump did an awesome job is pretty telling as to why you're gullible enough to believe in the buII$hlt lies of the bible.

You have been shown tons of evidence, it's your choice if you don't want to believe, but LOTS of evidence for the existence of God. You can't show a shred of evidence that Life can come from non life and that matter and energy can be created from nothing. I am sure anyone who could do so would win a Nobel Prize. Grouchy and BlackJack have proven things to you as well. Trump did an awesome job and yeah he does have too much common sense for someone like you who hates facts and logic and truth.

[mtpockets]

Trump did an awesome job and yeah he does have too much common sense for someone like you who hates facts and logic and truth.

[thedickus]

You have been shown tons of evidence, it's your choice if you don't want to believe, but LOTS of evidence for the existence of God. You can't show a shred of evidence that Life can come from non life and that matter and energy can be created from nothing. I am sure anyone who could do so would win a Nobel Prize. Grouchy and BlackJack have proven things to you as well. Trump did an awesome job and yeah he does have too much common sense for someone like you who hates facts and logic and truth.

Bible verses aren't proof of anything other than people wrote down a bunch of made-up buII$hlt several thousand years ago.
Actual proof is required for intelligent people to believe in things. Like Trump is a pathological liar. We have all kinds of proof for that.

[BlackJack619]

Shabbat shalom Brothers and Sisters of yahweh!

Please open up The Lords word to Matthew 22:29

[thedickus]

Shabbat shalom Brothers and Sisters of yahweh!

Please open up The Lords word to Matthew 22:29

Baba Booey brothers and sisters of the true King. The King of all Media Howard Stern.

Matthew 22:29 is the word of whatever Greek dude that wrote it. It doesn't belong to anyone else.

So when are you going to prove that your god was able to make that young girl's amputated legs grow back?

[Deathstroke]

If I get to Heaven tie me to a tree or a heavy stone. Only way I’d last I feel like. I envy three atheists I have known in my life. Well one was a levay satanist . But that comes with atheism, so atheist. Anyway they made a point about how good it felt to have no conscience. They told me you feel no guilt. No fear of punishment. I cannot word it as wisely or as lengthy but point was it’s like freedom not struggling with a conscience as many believers do.

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If I get to Heaven tie me to a tree or a heavy stone. Only way I’d last I feel like. I envy three atheists I have known in my life. Well one was a levay satanist . But that comes with atheism, so atheist. Anyway they made a point about how good it felt to have no conscience. They told me you feel no guilt. No fear of punishment. I cannot word it as wisely or as lengthy but point was it’s like freedom not struggling with a conscience as many believers do.

There is no universal morality other than empathy and what follows from that.

If a god has handed down morality, it's merely arbitrary on the part of that god. If people follow that, they are not being moral, they are being obedient.

[ScottLefler]

Since when do Liberal Democrats care ANYTHING about morality? What a joke. When I see Them outraged by the things that Democrats do that are 10x worse than Trump did when he hung out with the Democrats get back with me. Why didn't Democrats care about Trump's behavior Until AFTER he ran as a Republican? What a joke. Fake outrage. Fake morals.

[mtpockets]

Since when do Liberal Democrats care ANYTHING about morality? What a joke. When I see Them outraged by the things that Democrats do that are 10x worse than Trump did when he hung out with the Democrats get back with me. Why didn't Democrats care about Trump's behavior Until AFTER he ran as a Republican? What a joke. Fake outrage. Fake morals.

LMAO @ Scotty losing his Holy Sh!t


Many religious folks idolise a god that is well documented to be vile, disgusting, murderous and the list goes on about his unmoral actions. For example children have been murdered in the past, sexually assaulted and raped by them up to and including current times.

Religion is a cult and nothing more, grown ass adults worshipping something that doesn’t exist and and protecting it’s members that commit these atrocities. It's no surprise that you would worship Trump, his behaviour is similar to your cult leader, the only difference is that Trump actually exists























A funny before I go, BJ prefers pictures but needs practice reading (Bless his Heart)

[BlackJack619]

There is no universal morality other than empathy and what follows from that.

If a god has handed down morality, it's merely arbitrary on the part of that god. If people follow that, they are not being moral, they are being obedient.

Ask yourself this, what does one gain by believing the above passage I highlighted?

Ill give you a hint the answer is in the post you were responding to.

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Ask yourself this, what does one gain by believing the above passage I highlighted?

What does one get from morals being a result of evolution and socialization? Hopefully the ability to use a combination of empathy and reason to know the difference between right and wrong and not have to rely on simple obedience to a book.

[thedickus]

Since when do Liberal Democrats care ANYTHING about morality? What a joke. When I see Them outraged by the things that Democrats do that are 10x worse than Trump did when he hung out with the Democrats get back with me. Why didn't Democrats care about Trump's behavior Until AFTER he ran as a Republican? What a joke. Fake outrage. Fake morals.

WTF? Liberals are the ones who facilitated the morality of this country as we know it. Mainly by undoing anything that's biblically mandated. That's why things like slavery, the suppression of women's rights(including body autonomy), racial equality, and LBG rights are where they are now. If it were up to bible toting conservatives the only people eligible to vote would be white heterosexual protestant males. Luckily liberals helped do away with that kind of archaic thinking. Liberals have had issues with Trump long before he became President. Liberals just didn't think there would be enough people stupid enough to vote for a buffoon like Trump to voice concerns. All anyone had to do was listen to Trump speak to see that he was unfit to hold the office of President.

[BlackJack619]

What does one get from morals being a result of evolution and socialization? Hopefully the ability to use a combination of empathy and reason to know the difference between right and wrong and not have to rely on simple obedience to a book.

People knew right from wrong long before the Bible was created, but The Law wasn’t created for the righteous but for the lawlessness.

If one needs the Bible to tell them the difference between right and wrong it’s because they are a lawless group not a righteous group.

[thedickus]

People knew right from wrong long before the Bible was created, but The Law wasn’t created for the righteous but for the lawlessness.

If one needs the Bible to tell them the difference between right and wrong it’s because they are a lawless group not a righteous group.

According to BlackJack Meatpocket if you don't follow the law of the bible and take slaves, murder people for picking up sticks on the wrong day of the week, homosexuals, or girls who weren't virgins on their wedding nights then you're a lawless person and need the bible If you do all of these evil things then you're a righteous person and apparently good in your god's eyes. That's one fukked up god!

[ScottLefler]

If I get to Heaven tie me to a tree or a heavy stone. Only way I’d last I feel like. I envy three atheists I have known in my life. Well one was a levay satanist . But that comes with atheism, so atheist. Anyway they made a point about how good it felt to have no conscience. They told me you feel no guilt. No fear of punishment. I cannot word it as wisely or as lengthy but point was it’s like freedom not struggling with a conscience as many believers do.

Levay would do ANYTHING to have accepted Jesus Christ if he could right now. He now knows that he made a huge mistake.

[mtpockets]

Ha ha Ha, you can't get over that Ron thing....LOL

Maybe some where with Ron?

When are you gonna tell me your connection to Ron? Are you Ron?

[thedickus]

Levay would do ANYTHING to have accepted Jesus Christ if he could right now. He now knows that he made a huge mistake.

I can't wait until you've been dead for several years and your body has decomposed and become grass in a field full of bulls to graze on. Those of us still alive will chuckle knowing that your life has come full circle every time one of those bulls takes a $hlt.

[Deathstroke]

Levay would do ANYTHING to have accepted Jesus Christ if he could right now. He now knows that he made a huge mistake.

He, Stephen Hawking, George Carlin, Pope John Paul 2. All of them would gladly tell us the truth right now if they could come back from where they currently are. I have zero doubt of this. All of them were lost souls on this earth and are suffering right now.

This thread proves the Bible is foolishness to those who perish .

[ScottLefler]

People knew right from wrong long before the Bible was created, but The Law wasn’t created for the righteous but for the lawlessness.

If one needs the Bible to tell them the difference between right and wrong it’s because they are a lawless group not a righteous group.

Ro 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
(KJV)

[thedickus]

Ro 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
(KJV)

So if the gentiles had the law did that mean they could take other gentiles as slaves for the rest of their lives, murder girls who weren't virgins on their wedding nights, homosexuals, and people picking up sticks on the wrong day of the week? What a wonderful law from a truly loving god. LOL. Your god is a barbarian.