How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[BlackJack619]

What’s silly is believing the scientifically and mathematically impossible that 0+0=1

If you want to better understand God think in terms of energy, vibrations, and frequencies.

Energy can’t be created or destroyed.

[thedickus]

God loves everyone, including you. He desires to save you from your sins, which is why He was willing to send His only Son to come suffer and die for YOU so that you can be saved from an eternity in hell. You are given this choice that no one should ever turn down. It's the choice of Salvation to an eternity in heaven with God and be royalty with Him OR suffer an eternal death and misery in hell for your sins with satan and his demons with no hope of ever getting out. God does NOT want to send you there. He is providing a way out. IF you go there, it's because YOU chose to go there. You won't be able to blame God or anything else. Read this first post.

God doesn't love everyone, the fukker murdered most everyone at one point. That ain't love.
God didn't send his "only" son. Jesus had a twin brother Judas Thomas Didymos. While Jesus was being crucified and dying, his last words were to his twin brother Thomas, "Dad always liked you best".
You don't even know how the story goes Scotty. You don't get to go up to heaven to be with god. Heaven is where god lives, he's better than you and doesn't want property values to go down. He's going to create his kingdom here on Earth. God's followers will get to live here on Earth and be ruled over by whoever the "Son of Man" appoints as the messiah. Jesus said it was going to be him, but obviously that didn't happen. Think of god's kingdom here on Earth kind of like a gentrification project.

Can you believe that Mary was "still" a virgin even after giving birth to Jesus and his twin brother. FFS she was "still" a virgin even after giving birth to all of her other kids after Jesus and his twin were born. Personally I can't believe it, but what do I know. I rely on reason and science to get by in life. Kind of boring, but it allows me to keep 10% of my income. Scotty and BlackJack think of my belief system as it pertains to gods just like yours, expect I don't believe in more one buII$hlt story than you two idiots do.

[thedickus]

What’s silly is believing the scientifically and mathematically impossible that 0+0=1

If you want to better understand God think in terms of energy, vibrations, and frequencies.

Energy can’t be created or destroyed.

What's silly is thinking that 0 is the same as nothing. I wouldn't expect a drug addicted homosexual who took it up the @$$ in gay porn movies to know any better.

If you want to better understand what BlackJack thinks god is, just give up all knowledge of anything you've ever learned and can be proven. To BlackJack and Scotty anything they don't understand is god. So for BlackJack why he gets aroused when taking a shower with other men is god. To the educated, that's because BlackJack is a homosexual, not because of god. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a homosexual. I just feel sorry for his poor wife who's being lied to.

[BlackJack619]

Science confirms it is impossible for non living matter to create living matter.

Science confirms energy can’t be destroyed or created.

Science confirms all things vibrate.

Science confirms to see certain frequencies one must vibrate at said frequencies.

Science confirms energy will follow the path of least resistance.

Science confirms if energy is to to rise above the path of least resistance an external force is necessary.

If one wants to better understand God try to think in terms of energy, vibration, and frequencies.

If science is your God let’s talk about what science can prove.

[thedickus]

Science confirms it is impossible for non living matter to create living matter.

Science confirms energy can’t be destroyed or created.

Science confirms all things vibrate.

Science confirms to see certain frequencies one must vibrate at said frequencies.

Science confirms energy will follow the path of least resistance.

Science confirms if energy is to to rise above the path of least resistance an external force is necessary.

If one wants to better understand God try to think in terms of energy, vibration, and frequencies.

If science is your God let’s talk about what science can prove.

Atheists don't have gods you fukking moron.

What's silly is thinking that 0 is the same as nothing. I wouldn't expect a drug addicted homosexual who took it up the @$$ in gay porn movies to know any better.

If you want to better understand what BlackJack thinks god is, just give up all knowledge of anything you've ever learned and can be proven. To BlackJack and Scotty anything they don't understand is god. So for BlackJack why he gets aroused when taking a shower with other men is god. To the educated, that's because BlackJack is a homosexual, not because of god. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a homosexual. I just feel sorry for his poor wife who's being lied to.

[BlackJack619]

Why do you struggle to have a civil conversation?

[thedickus]

Why do you struggle to have a civil conversation?

Why do you struggle to understand that 0 (zero) is not the same as nothing? Why do you struggle to understand that atheists don't believe in gods or have/worship gods? Why do you struggle with the fact that atheism doesn't require faith and that science is the complete opposite of religion? Why do you struggle with understanding that the young girl who you prayed to your god to grow back her actual legs after they were amputated, still doesn't have her actual legs? We know you struggle with the fact that you're a homosexual and live in denial. What a sad little life you live. I feel sorry for you, especially for your wife since you struggle with telling her the truth. That you wish she were a man. Having civil conversations with drug addicted homosexuals who took it up the @$$ in gay porn movies in a new experience for me. I have learned that their first impulse seems to be to lie and deny everything.

[BlackJack619]

Everyone worships something, even atheists, just because you call yourselves an atheist doesn’t make you different from everyone.

Why do you think God told us not to worship other gods?

Because it’s human nature to worship things,and turn them into our gods, for example work, money, gold, drugs, science, sex, religion, pride, and many more things.

[thedickus]

Everyone worships something, even atheists, just because you call yourselves an atheist doesn’t make you different from everyone.

Why do you think God told us not to worship other gods?

Because it’s human nature to worship things,and turn them into our gods, for example work, money, gold, drugs, science, sex, religion, pride, and many more things.

You're still struggling to understand that atheists don't worship anything. Being an atheist makes me very different from EVERYONE that worships a god you fukking moron.
"Why do you think god told us not to worship other gods?" Is a very easy question to answer. Because whoever made up your god and its stories/lore also made up that it didn't want you to worship any other made up gods. I say made up gods because there are no such thing as gods, they're all made up. In the brief history of mankind there has NEVER been a god proven to exist or have existed. I guess that a simple minded drug addicted homosexual who took it up the @$$ in gay porn movies would have a hard time understanding this.

[BlackJack619]

It almost appears you are worshipping me, and this thread, it’s like you can’t get enough, almost like this is your drug or your god.

[thedickus]

It almost appears you are worshipping me, and this thread, it’s like you can’t get enough, almost like this is your drug or your god.

You're still struggling to understand that atheists don't worship anything, especially something like you. A simple minded drug addicted homosexual who took it up the @$$ in gay porn movies.

[BlackJack619]

Your devotion you have poured into me and this thread beg to differ.

[mtpockets]

Why do you struggle to have a civil conversation?

[thedickus]

Your devotion you have poured into me and this thread beg to differ.

I have only a devotion to the truth. As long as you or Scotty continue to be the ones spreading lies and misinformation I will continue to correct you. I'm sure that someone like you, a simple minded drug addicted homosexual who took it up the @$$ in gay porn movies, will continue to struggle with the truth.

[BlackJack619]

That’s awesome so we both do share the same God, I am also devoted to the truth.

[GrouchyUSMC]

Again, I'm not wrong. God said "the gods of others". He didn't say "idols of others". There's a difference between the two words and he said gods, not idols. This again is your god acknowledging that whoever wrote the stories of the pentateuch believed that there are other gods in existence. Thanks again for proving my point Grouchy.
This is a classic case of how do you prove a christian wrong about what the bible says? Just read the bible to them.
You keep quoting Ehrman and seem to refuse to understand that Ehrman, along with other scholars, agree that the early Israelites were henotheistic. They believed that there were indeed other gods, they just thought they had the best one and only worshipped him. You're like the girl BlackJack prayed to your god to heal, you just don't have a leg to stand on in your argument.

I'm not saying Ehrman is wrong. He's right. I'm saying your understanding of what Ehrman is saying is wrong.

The region that is now known as Israel was polytheistic to start as are most places that have pagan religions. These were man-made gods as discussed at length in Isaiah 44 where the author mocks people who use their leftover materials to fashion themselves gods and bow down to them. These fall under the same category as the "household gods" that Rachel stole from her father in Genesis and was sitting on to hide them (unless you think she was really sitting on a group of tiny men).

When God's chosen people are coming across others with their gods is where the syncretism occurs. God's chosen people believed in one God, the other groups didn't until He showed them His power, and then they began adopting them as part of their own. That's why throughout the Old Testament you will hear references to "God of Abraham", "God of Isaac", "God of Jacob" etc. to differentiate them from the other manmade gods of the time. This is why they focused on the Twelve Tribes and spoke poorly of the Canaanites, Moabites, etc. which still worshipped many gods. This belief was so ingrained in them that when Moses didn't return quick enough they fashioned what they likely thought God looked like and started worshipping it too.

After Jesus' death for the first several centuries there was even a "cult" of Christians who engaged in henotheism separate from the montheistic Christians because of this. However, to call the early Israelites one religion is an ignorant generalization. It would be akin to saying because the United States is around 60% Christian, everyone in the United States is Christian. It doesn't work like that.

I doubt the queen was referring to "other gods" when she called herself "we". The article says it was a tradition established hundreds of years ago. This doesn't really pertain to ancient Israelites,

It literally does as there is documentation of ancient Israelite kings referring to themselves as "we" (as mentioned before). You must have missed that part.

God is speaking in the third person as it indicates greatness and prestige. Plain and simple. You keep using the argument from Genesis 1:26 but did you ever get to Genesis 1:27? "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." He says "in our image" and "in our likeness" which, according to you, implies other gods, but then He fashions man just like Himself. Why just Himself and not the appearance of these other gods hanging out with him? This is where they are using both Hebrew terms for God, Yahweh and Elohim, as the same person. Which they also do in Deuteronomy 4.

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You can't claim to not believe in God and then demand there be the existence of other gods with him. This is just you grasping at straws now.

Considering no one knows who wrote any of the pentateuch, the answer would most likely be no. Scholars don't even think the same author wrote all of Genesis. It's doubtful that Moses even existed. Not to mention that those books were written several centuries after it was claimed that Moses was even alive. So Moses definitely wasn't the author.

So, speaking from a strictly historical basis here then, two documents written far apart from each other, why would the second document include information that contradicts the first document from the same time period? Is it a contradiction or just a "lost in translation" issue? Have you ever considered how many different meanings and concepts languages have and how it's not always clear cut what the actual meaning is? Homonyms exist in all languages, even English. Bark of a tree vs bark of a dog. Bailing your friend out of jail vs bailing water. The cell of an organism and the cell of a jail. Deserting your friend and the desert itself. In the Bible, that's the difference between Elohim (God) and elohim (gods) which is where the habit of capitalizing the name "God" and "He/Him/His" came from.

Actually I've already address this. I'm just reading the words to you where your god acknowledged that there were other gods and told his people not to worship any of them, he didn't say don't worship any idols, he said gods.

...You do know that an idol is considered an image of a god, right?

[qupte]You completely miss the point about Exodus 20. It has nothing to do with the whether the pregnant woman who was harmed which resulted in a premature birth or a miscarriage resulting in death of the unborn fetus. A fine would be imposed in either case. The big difference is in whether or not the man's pregnant wife were to die or not. If she were to die then a death penalty would be called for. The only real argument about the translation is whether life for a life means the man who harmed the pregnant woman would have to give the husband a female/wife of his to replace the one that was killed or whether that meant the man would be put to death. The unborn fetus simply doesn't matter.[/quote]

It's in Exodus 21, not 20. So, despite that the word doesn't mean miscarriage (which is mentioned in other places in the Bible and not here), the word used means "come out, exit", and it literally says if there is harm there will be a punishment, you just want to deny the facts and believe in your own opinion. Cool. So you only want historical facts unless they disagree with you. Not surprising since you have shown you have lied about reading the Qu'ran before so are most likely lying about reading the Bible too. Especially since you take so much out of context.

You're no closer to proving your burden of proof #1. You should work on that before you bypass burden of proof #2 and we keep debating #3. As long as you keep reading the old testament like a christian, you're going to continue to get your @$$ handed to you in our little "debates" here.

I'm content that I at least tried to help you. I just hope you realize the truth before it's too late. Enjoy the rest of your day.

[thedickus]

That’s awesome so we both do share the same God, I am also devoted to the truth.

You have to be the dumbest person this thread. Scotty at least can attribute his issues with the brain damage he incurred from drinking the lead contaminated water in Detroit. You are just plain stupid, and a liar. It's like you continually go out of your way to say stupid $hlt and tell lies. You are too stupid to know or are just afraid for some reason to admit what an atheist actually is, instead you keep telling the same lies. I'm sure that someone like you, a simple minded drug addicted homosexual who took it up the @$$ in gay porn movies, will continue to struggle with the truth. The truth being that atheists don't believe in a god, any god. If you're devoted to truth then you need to find a different god. Your god told the first lie ever told when he told Adam and Eve that if they ate of the tree of knowledge that they would die that day. They ate, they didn't die, your god is a liar, just like you.

[thedickus]

I'm not saying Ehrman is wrong. He's right. I'm saying your understanding of what Ehrman is saying is wrong.

I'm really getting tired of wasting time on your refusal to accept the truth. It's not just Ehrman, the fact that early Israelites were henotheistic is well known in scholarship. From Nicholas F. Gier of the University of Idaho: "Contrary to popular understanding, the First Commandment, "You shall have no other gods before me," does not deny the existence of other deities. In his commentary on Deuteronomy Anthony Phillips maintains that "there is here no thought of monotheism. The commandment does not seek to repudiate the existence of other gods, but to prevent Israel from having anything to do with them."9 The ontological status of other gods besides Yahweh can be explicitly seen in Deut. 32:8, where we find Yahweh setting the boundaries of nations according to the "number of the sons of God." The RSV follows the Septuagint text, which has been reinforced by the copy of Deuteronomy found among the Dead Sea Scrolls in Cave 4 at Qumran."
Again, you are WRONG. But please, by all means, continue to post links to 40 page research papers on why a single sentence in the bible doesn't actual mean what it says. Fukking apologists waste so much time trying to prove that the bible doesn't say what it actually does.

You can't claim to not believe in God and then demand there be the existence of other gods with him. This is just you grasping at straws now.

FFS I'm not demanding that there were any gods in existence. I'm reading the words of your freaking book and those words demand that there were other gods. These are the claims of your bible. Again, see above. It's well known in scholarship. The funny thing is you're too blind to see that the very people who made up your god didn't want their people worshipping the gods made up by other people. Your god doesn't exist just like all of the other gods being worshipped at the time didn't exist. I'm just pointing out that your interpretation of the bible is all wrong.

It's in Exodus 21, not 20. So, despite that the word doesn't mean miscarriage (which is mentioned in other places in the Bible and not here), the word used means "come out, exit", and it literally says if there is harm there will be a punishment, you just want to deny the facts and believe in your own opinion. Cool. So you only want historical facts unless they disagree with you. Not surprising since you have shown you have lied about reading the Qu'ran before so are most likely lying about reading the Bible too. Especially since you take so much out of context.

Who cares if it's Exodus 21 or 20. You know the verse I'm talking about. I don't give a rats @$$ if the word means miscarriage or "come out". The point I'm making is that whoever made up your god and the surrounding stories of your god, and ultimately your god's "rules" didn't put the same value on an unborn fetus as they did a living breathing person, in this case the pregnant wife. That's what is being discussed, the punishment for whether or not the wife dies. The unborn fetus is immaterial, it's just property.
As I said I've read parts of the quran, I don't really want to go and read the whole thing. What I've read (phonetically red) of the quran I red and still reed just like I red and still reed the bible, as bad historical fiction. I don't care whether or not you believe me. It's immaterial. I don't believe you've actually read the bible. I think you've just read a condensed version that appeals to whatever beliefs you were taught. I've proven over and over that I know more about that evil book and its origins than you ever are willing to. Your faith appears far too fragile to actually study your bible. Whatever you've read of the old testament you've read as a christian. That's a mistake. Those books weren't written for christians, they were written for jews and have zero to do with what christianity has morphed into. What were left with were a bunch of people trying reconcile the fact that Jesus is simply dead. Never to be heard from again, just dead.

I'm content that I at least tried. I just hope you realize the truth

I feel exactly the same.

[BlackJack619]

Yes you are right, there are many Gods, and that is the whole purpose of the 1st of the 10 commandments.

However there is only one;
Lord of Lords
King of Kings
God of Gods,
The Alpha and Omega.

You may not want to believe it but there are things in your life that you idolize,

It appears you idolize the beliefs of atheism, therefore that is one of your gods.

It also appears you idolize me and this thread, you have even offer to send me money at one point.

[thedickus]

Yes you are right, there are many Gods, and that is the whole purpose of the 1st of the 10 commandments.

See there Grouchy, even BlackJack, a simple minded drug addicted homosexual who took it up the @$$ in gay porn movies, thinks that the Israelites were henotheistic. He also thinks the old testament supports their belief. Of course he's a lying dumb@$$ed sack of $hlt. Luckily scholars also think that the Israelites were henotheistic and that the old testament supports that fact. I'd trust them before I'd trust anyone like BlackJack, a simple minded drug addicted homosexual who took it up the @$$ in gay porn movies.

[BlackJack619]

You really do idolize my former sexuality.

It’s almost like homosexuality is one of your gods.

[thedickus]

You really do idolize my former sexuality.

It’s almost like homosexuality is one of your gods.

You really can't stop saying stupid ****. Grownups are trying to talk here. Why don't you turn over a bar stool, grab your lube of choice and have fun with the sexuality that your god gave you. In the meantime I'll chill in my god-free zone, like all atheists.

[BlackJack619]

You really can’t stop fantasizing about me;

I really am one of your gods.

[thedickus]

You really can’t stop fantasizing about me;

I really am one of your gods.

There are no gods. The gay porn star BlqckJack Meatpocket isn't something I care to think about. I prefer lesbian porn with Angela White in it.

[BlackJack619]

Your idols are your god,

And it sounds like porn is one of your idols, I’m sure you have many more idols as well.

[thedickus]

Your idols are your god,

And it sounds like porn is one of your idols, I’m sure you have many more idols as well.

I have no idols. You really can't be more wrong about pretty much everything. Atheists have no gods. That's the definition of an atheist. You and your nonstop lies doesn't change that.

[mtpockets]

[ScottLefler]

Hell No, There is no god.


I am just pointing out how stupid your beliefs are and that you would put full faith in an imaginary god who if he was real be a complete ass hole.

You are just a cowardly sheep who is afraid to face reality living a life of fear.

For someone who says that they don't believe in God, you sure are angry with Him. Your issue is that you don't understand WHY these bad things happen and you don't believe in or trust God that He is good.

Trust me, I am not a coward. I am not a coward, but you are free to believe that lie if you want. The reality is that God is real and you will stand before Him one day. You have the choice to be saved or go to an eternal hell for your sins just like the rest of us. Either way, you will stand before God and give an account to the King of the Universe for the things that you say about Him. I truly hope that you, humble yourself and change your heart and mind toward God in Faith that Jesus died and rose again to save YOU from your sins. Only a loving God would do such a thing for a wicked sinner who HATES Him.

[GrouchyUSMC]

I'm really getting tired of wasting time on your refusal to accept the truth. It's not just Ehrman, the fact that early Israelites were henotheistic is well known in scholarship. From Nicholas F. Gier of the University of Idaho: "Contrary to popular understanding, the First Commandment, "You shall have no other gods before me," does not deny the existence of other deities. In his commentary on Deuteronomy Anthony Phillips maintains that "there is here no thought of monotheism. The commandment does not seek to repudiate the existence of other gods, but to prevent Israel from having anything to do with them."9 The ontological status of other gods besides Yahweh can be explicitly seen in Deut. 32:8, where we find Yahweh setting the boundaries of nations according to the "number of the sons of God." The RSV follows the Septuagint text, which has been reinforced by the copy of Deuteronomy found among the Dead Sea Scrolls in Cave 4 at Qumran."
Again, you are WRONG. But please, by all means, continue to post links to 40 page research papers on why a single sentence in the bible doesn't actual mean what it says. Fukking apologists waste so much time trying to prove that the bible doesn't say what it actually does.

FFS I'm not demanding that there were any gods in existence. I'm reading the words of your freaking book and those words demand that there were other gods. These are the claims of your bible. Again, see above. It's well known in scholarship. The funny thing is you're too blind to see that the very people who made up your god didn't want their people worshipping the gods made up by other people. Your god doesn't exist just like all of the other gods being worshipped at the time didn't exist. I'm just pointing out that your interpretation of the bible is all wrong.

I never said he or other scholars were wrong. I’m saying you just don’t understand it in context and that’s why I had the whole explanation after it. I literally said there was other gods at the time, they were man made gods. This is why in Genesis 35, after plundering the people who raped his daughter, Jacob takes the “foreign gods” and other items they looted from them and buries them under a tree. Unless you think he is actually burying gods, he is burying the idols of these created gods he took. From your argument clearly you didn’t read anything because you would see I don’t overall disagree. But then again I’m not surprised. I’ve shown facts and you just keep restating an opinion.

Who cares if it's Exodus 21 or 20. You know the verse I'm talking about. I don't give a rats @$$ if the word means miscarriage or "come out". The point I'm making is that whoever made up your god and the surrounding stories of your god, and ultimately your god's "rules" didn't put the same value on an unborn fetus as they did a living breathing person, in this case the pregnant wife. That's what is being discussed, the punishment for whether or not the wife dies. The unborn fetus is immaterial, it's just property.

Nope. You can’t change the meanings of words to fit your agenda. If your neighbor has a child come earlier than expected, you don’t call it a miscarriage. You don’t urinate and call it an ejaculation. It’s not the same at all. I’ve shown facts, you just keep restating your opinion.

As I said I've read parts of the quran, I don't really want to go and read the whole thing.

You claim earlier to have read it. Then you said you really don’t want to read it too. Now you’re claiming you skimmed it. You can’t keep your story straight. Is there any wonder why we doubt your other claims of actually reading and researching, especially when you keep relying on one source only and earlier weren’t even aware of his change of opinion on some things since you were going off of outdated information?

I've proven over and over that I know more about that evil book and its origins than you ever are willing to.

Okay, boomer. Whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy at night. Clearly your ego won’t let you accept anything else because you have nothing else. If this is really that important to you to be right even when everything points to being wrong, then until you overcome this invincible ignorance fallacy there’s no point in proving anything to you because you will never bother to or be capable of understanding it. One of the obvious signs of a pseudo intellectual.

[mtpockets]

LMAO, you should do stand up comedy, being angry at your god makes about as much sense as being pissed off at the Easter bunny, Santa Claus or the tooth fairy