How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[supramax]

Yep, Allah is going to have a field day with all of us infidels.

And shame on you for negging Supramax on what could be the only possible explanation of Mary getting pregnant if it wasn't from Joseph. Mary was in fact a cheating 13 year old little girl. By law she should've been stoned on her father's doorstep. Or do you also believe the gospel of James, Jesus's older brother, which even goes so far as to say that Mary's hymen was intact even after the birth of Jesus and his twin brother Didymos Judas Thomas?

It's estimated that there are 2 trillion galaxies, each possibly containing 100 billion solar systems in this big bang scenario that we call 'the universe' and which evidently is one of an infinite number of big bangs that have been happening for eternity. These guys believe that someone created that and came to Earth to get Mary pregnant with the saviour of mankind. Do you actually think you can talk logic with these guys?

[ChazWood]

It's estimated that there are 2 trillion galaxies, each possibly containing 100 billion solar systems in this big bang scenario that we call 'the universe' and which evidently is one of an infinite number of big bangs that have been happening for eternity. These guys believe that someone created that and came to Earth to get Mary pregnant with the saviour of mankind. Do you actually think you can talk logic with these guys?

Look at you with your vast insight and knowledge.

Shame u have little to no desire to share it. I mean in an altruistic kinda way. Like cool old ppl do.

btw, where in Quebec are ya's? I'm from the West Island

[ScottLefler]

He's the reason, for the Season!

[supramax]

He's the reason, for the Season!

For sure and why it's 2021, too. Let's blame the Crusades on him, as well.

[thedickus]

He's the reason, for the Season!

Actually the Roman god Saturn and the pagan festival of Saturnalia, which celebrated the winter solstice, is the reason for the season. Second and third century christians decided to steal this holiday for their own, they kind of had a history of stealing much older stories/traditions and attributing them to their god.

[thedickus]

You know, it's easier to respect you when you are making intellectual debates regarding your position, as you used to do. But you seemed to have just lowered yourself into blasphemous and sacrilegious rants. I suppose you do that with all people groups that have a different worldview than yours? Or is it just Christians? Otherwise, I hope life is treating you well.

Come on now, admit it. The Joseph being a cuckold thing is hilarious. Like Sam Kinison's take on there's no way Jesus was ever married. What wife would've bought the resurrection story...a guy leaves the house on a Friday afternoon with 12 other guys and doesn't show back up until Monday. So where have you been savior?
Blasphemy is in the eye of the beholder, as the old saying goes one man's orthodoxy is another man's heterodoxy. Jesus would've considered the book of John and any of Paul's writings blasphemous. Jesus was a jew, he didn't think he was god. He simply thought that god was going to defeat evil (the Romans) and make him the king of Israel. He was dead wrong on that one!

I pretty much make fun of all religions or any groups of people that eschew science, I also make fun of people who don't know the difference between imply and infer.

I hope life is treating you well also and that you and your family had a wonderful Thanksgiving and are gearing up for a prosperous New Year!

[mtpockets]

He's the reason, for the Season!

So you joined this site to think about getting in shape?
Are you a pastor, minister, priest or such?

Why did you ignore these questions?

[2nd_chance]

I pretty much make fun of all religions or any groups of people that eschew science, I also make fun of people who don't know the difference between imply and infer.

I hope life is treating you well also and that you and your family had a wonderful Thanksgiving and are gearing up for a prosperous New Year!

Have you ever said a prayer for anything over the past 10 years?

[thedickus]

Have you ever said a prayer for anything over the past 10 years?

I'm 56 and I've been an atheist since I was old enough to figure out it's all BS, around the same time I figured out there was no Santa Claus. I've never said a prayer that I can remember, I'd have nothing to pray to. If I have a problem I fix it. If someone else has a problem, I'll try to help them. If I'm sick I'll go to the doctor, if someone else is sick I'll take them to the doctor if needed. If someone is dying I'll try to comfort them and the loved ones around them. Honestly for me death is the only time being an atheist sucks. Everyone else gets to say things like the deceased will be in heaven with their loved ones or I'll see you again soon. Saying I'll be decomposing and enriching the soil with you one day so just doesn't sound that comforting.

[supramax]

... Saying I'll be decomposing and enriching the soil with you one day so just doesn't sound that comforting.

Fear not; you won't be decomposing, because you're not the body.

[2nd_chance]

I'm 56 and I've been an atheist since I was old enough to figure out it's all BS, around the same time I figured out there was no Santa Claus. I've never said a prayer that I can remember, I'd have nothing to pray to. If I have a problem I fix it. If someone else has a problem, I'll try to help them. If I'm sick I'll go to the doctor, if someone else is sick I'll take them to the doctor if needed. If someone is dying I'll try to comfort them and the loved ones around them. Honestly for me death is the only time being an atheist sucks. Everyone else gets to say things like the deceased will be in heaven with their loved ones or I'll see you again soon. Saying I'll be decomposing and enriching the soil with you one day so just doesn't sound that comforting.

When you die, you won't be worried about what people are saying at your funeral. I appreciate your honesty if you've never said a prayer. Perhaps one day you will. Maybe when death comes knocking. Perhaps just a, "God if you're real, show me" kind of prayer? Who knows. Regardless, I have said a prayer on your behalf today. Merry Christmas.

[thedickus]

When you die, you won't be worried about what people are saying at your funeral. I appreciate your honesty if you've never said a prayer. Perhaps one day you will. Maybe when death comes knocking. Perhaps just a, "God if you're real, show me" kind of prayer? Who knows. Regardless, I have said a prayer on your behalf today. Merry Christmas.

Thanks for taking the time to include me in your prayers, I appreciate it. Normally I'd say something snarky, but you truly seem sincere, so I do appreciate it. I'll be the first to admin that I don't know one way or the other with 100% certainty, so any extra help thrown my way just in case is never a bad thing. Merry Christmas to you too.

[2nd_chance]

Thanks for taking the time to include me in your prayers, I appreciate it. Normally I'd say something snarky, but you truly seem sincere, so I do appreciate it. I'll be the first to admin that I don't know one way or the other with 100% certainty, so any extra help thrown my way just in case is never a bad thing. Merry Christmas to you too.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to thedickus again."

[supramax]

... I'll be the first to admin that I don't know one way or the other with 100% certainty...

That means you're agnostic, not atheist, doesn't it?

[2nd_chance]

That means you're agnostic, not atheist, doesn't it?

Not being 100% certain about anything makes you human.

[thedickus]

That means you're agnostic, not atheist, doesn't it?

I go with Bart Ehrman's description of himself. I'm an agnostic atheist. Agnostic at its earliest definition simply meant without knowledge. I don't believe there's a god so I consider myself an atheist, but I don't know for sure. Now if proof to the contrary were to present itself then you're damn skippy I'll believe. I'm a stubborn opinionated a$$hole but I'm not stupid.

[thedickus]

That means you're agnostic, not atheist, doesn't it?

I go with Bart Ehrman's description of himself. I'm an agnostic atheist. Agnostic at its earliest definition simply meant without knowledge. I don't believe there's a god so I consider myself an atheist, but I don't know for sure. Now if proof to the contrary were to present itself then you're damn skippy I'll believe. I'm a stubborn opinionated a$$hole but I'm not stupid.

[supramax]

I go with Bart Ehrman's description of himself. I'm an agnostic atheist. Agnostic at its earliest definition simply meant without knowledge. I don't believe there's a god so I consider myself an atheist, but I don't know for sure. Now if proof to the contrary were to present itself then you're damn skippy I'll believe. I'm a stubborn opinionated a$$hole but I'm not stupid.

I go with the "I don't know AND NEITHER DO YOU!!! (because a first cause cannot be known)" definition. I say first cause or 'creator' is false, anyways, because it implies duality.

[thedickus]

I go with the "I don't know AND NEITHER DO YOU!!! (because a first cause cannot be known)" definition. I say first cause or 'creator' is false, anyways, because it implies duality.

I agree 100% on that take! I haven't seen any good proof yet of a god, but if some shows I'll be open to hearing or seeing it. I always like when people say you need proof of a god? just look around. My response is always, yes, just go to a children's cancer ward and look around, tell me what god would do that.

[supramax]

I agree 100% on that take! I haven't seen any good proof yet of a god, but if some shows I'll be open to hearing or seeing it. I always like when people say you need proof of a god? just look around. My response is always, yes, just go to a children's cancer ward and look around, tell me what god would do that.

Are there any 'Creator God' belief religions that don't include personal continuity after the death of the body?

[thedickus]

Are there any 'Creator God' belief religions that don't include personal continuity after the death of the body?

I'm assuming you mean life after death or reincarnation by personal continuity after death.
I don't consider buddhism to be a religion, more of a philosophy. I don't know a whole lot about Middle Eastern or Asian religions, so I can't speak too much about them. My understanding is that early, pre-Hellenistic judaism didn't believe in any afterlife. When you die the soul leaves your body.

LOL 12 years ago I came to bodybuiling.com to find out some pointers about setting up my home gym. Here I am now discussing pre-Hellenistic judaism. There have been some good discussions in this thread and the one for friendly christian atheist discussions.

[supramax]

I'm assuming you mean life after death or reincarnation by personal continuity after death.
I don't consider buddhism to be a religion, more of a philosophy. I don't know a whole lot about Middle Eastern or Asian religions, so I can't speak too much about them. My understanding is that early, pre-Hellenistic judaism didn't believe in any afterlife. When you die the soul leaves your body.

LOL 12 years ago I came to bodybuiling.com to find out some pointers about setting up my home gym. Here I am now discussing pre-Hellenistic judaism. There have been some good discussions in this thread and the one for friendly christian atheist discussions.

Yeah, life after death as commonly understood, anyways. You seem to be quite knowledgeable about Christianity, so I figured you might be able to edify me with regard to that question. To reiterate, I wondered if there were any creator god religions with no afterlife. I don't know if there's a creator in pre-Hellenistic judaism.
I'm pretty sure that Siddhartha Gautama considered first cause an imponderable.

[OldFartTom]

Hi thedickus, one thing has puzzled me about people who have invested a great deal of time studying Bible/religions/theology who don't believe in God.

I realise everyone's different so you can't speak for them, but I'm genuinely baffled. Personally if I didn't have faith in the Bible there's no way I'd spend time studying it, I'd see it as a waste of my time. (Yes I've always been a poor student)

In your case... why have you studied it in such depth and engage so enthusiastically and learnedly on it, if it's something you don't believe?

[supramax]

[ScottLefler]

I wasn't going to respond to your post, because I don't think you guys need anymore rope, but I'll relate a short story:

When the hospital sent my mother home to die, one of her friends who was visiting, asked if she had thought about repenting and accepting Jesus Christ as her savior. My mother asked 'why'. Her friend replied: "Just in case" and they both burst out laughing.

That is a very sad story. I hope she decided to give her life to Christ.

[supramax]

That is a very sad story. I hope she decided to give her life to Christ.

What's sad is the ridiculous nonsense you believe, because you're so afraid of being nothing.

[thedickus]

I've always liked Penn Jillette, that was a video I've never seen before, thanks! That video was awesome and the story very familiar. The term out of the closet atheists is something I don't really understand, I guess because I was always vocally an atheist. I'm not in the public eye thankfully where being an atheist could adversely affect my ability to earn. I do recall more than one occasion speaking to some younger people in Southen Illinois, where I live, and having them say to me they like that I had no problem telling people that I was an atheist. They were scared to do so. They felt people would look down on them. I've never had that issue, I always felt I was sufficiently "armed" to state my case.

[thedickus]

Hi thedickus, one thing has puzzled me about people who have invested a great deal of time studying Bible/religions/theology who don't believe in God.

I realise everyone's different so you can't speak for them, but I'm genuinely baffled. Personally if I didn't have faith in the Bible there's no way I'd spend time studying it, I'd see it as a waste of my time. (Yes I've always been a poor student)

In your case... why have you studied it in such depth and engage so enthusiastically and learnedly on it, if it's something you don't believe?

I had a much longer reply than this, but for some reason it won't let me post it. Not sure why, but here's the crux of it:
Tom, I've always felt that if you're not going to believe in something that could affect you for eternity, you should know exactly what it is that you don't believe in. I also feel that you should know exactly what it is that you do believe in, and more importantly where those beliefs came from.

[mtpockets]

[autisticwarrior]

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