So your supposed to take about a gram of protein for every pound of body weight.
I weigh 237 pounds, I did research and you can only absorb 35 grams of protein in one meal, so that's 6 meals.
But then your supposed to eat every 3 hours. How am I supposed to fit 6 meals in one day and get proper rest for the next day?
Can I just take 5 meals a day? I don't want to miss out on any gains.
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Thread: 237 g of protein in a day? How?
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08-06-2021, 10:22 PM #1
237 g of protein in a day? How?
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08-06-2021, 11:53 PM #3
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Not really. You can shoot to hit the minimum of 0.7 g of protein per lb of bodyweight. If you're in a caloric deficit (losing weight) or really trying to optimize bodybuilding, yeah you could shoot for more, but it won't make a massive difference.
Unless you are already a professional athlete or professional bodybuilder, odds are you are carrying excess body fat at that weight. In this case, don't aim for 0.7 g of protein per lb of bodyweight. Instead aim for 0.7 g per lb of your ideal / target weight.
The idea of a protein absorption ceiling means you were probably reading opinions rather than actual research. Sure, the more protein you consume, the less efficient your body will breakdown the total protein into amino acids and absorb it into the blood stream, but the body also regulates the speed at which protein moves through the small intestine to make sure to absorb it all.
Actual Reserch:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10867039/
So yeah, if you want to have a meal with 70 g of protein, go for it. Your body will probably figure it out.
It can be 6 meals if you want. Or 3 meals. Or 4 meals. Etc. If you want to be hyper efficient about it, sure, more meals helps. But it's far more important to meet your macro and calorie targets, consistently, than to make sure you eat X number of meals a day. In terms of the hierarchy of importance in nutrition for hypertrophy, eating 6 meals a day ranks pretty low. 3 or 4 meals is fine.
I try to space my meals about every 2.5 to 3 hours, but I'm taking this hobby seriously. You really don't need to religiously space your meals. Again, the overwhelmingly most important part is consistently meeting your macro and calorie targets EVERY DAY. If that means you only eat one or two meals in a day, good, at least make sure you eat your daily macro and calorie targets in those one or two meals.
Snacks and shakes help in the windows where you can't get a real meal. But again, you're getting obsessed with nutrient timing when it's really far down the totem pole of importance.
You can eat 5 meals, or 4 meals, or 3 meals a day, and your gains will be barely affected AS LONG AS YOU MEET YOUR DAILY MACRO AND CALORIE TARGETS.
However, given your weight, it is likely that you are carrying excessive body fat. If you want to maximize your gains, consider dropping your weight to around 12% body fat first before making gains.
Why? The higher your body fat %, the harder it will be for you to build muscle, to the point where you would have to be consuming so much extra calories that it would be wildly inefficient. Like, you'd add muscle, but the rate of fat gain would just be shooting through the roof.
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08-07-2021, 06:42 AM #7
I think the evidence is still weak on both sides of that debate. That was sort of the takeaway in the forum discussion about this IIRC:
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...hp?t=179632473
We need a randomized experiment with a group of people who cut then bulk and another group of people that bulk then cut keeping everything else constant to know who’s right!Last edited by EiFit91; 08-07-2021 at 06:53 AM.
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08-07-2021, 07:20 AM #8
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08-07-2021, 12:08 PM #9
Protein requirements vary. Someone that holds a lot of bodyfat is best severed to figure protein based on lean mass and not body weight. You didn't mention your height however unless you're extremely tall you have a lot of fat and therefore should base protein on lean mass. As far as 35G at a time for absorption I wouldn't go much off that. The priority is getting in your total daily protein and the spacings are secondary.
Say you're 30% BF. Lean mass would be about 180 so you really only need about 150g per day.Last edited by Tommy W.; 08-07-2021 at 12:16 PM.
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08-07-2021, 04:09 PM #10
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You're referring to this podcast right?
I don't think it works to disprove the notion of P Ratios, but I think it does convincingly challenge the evidence supporting the classic view of P Ratios.
There's still a decent amount of disagreement:
Ultimately, I still side with the classic view of P Ratios, mostly based on how weight gain has worked on my own body at different body fat %'s, but I respect people who take an opposing view there.
I'm going to move the goal posts a bit, but for me the concluding recommendations of when to bulk or cut comes down to common sense.
If someone is overweight or obese, I'm not going to recommend they bulk.
From the point of view of overall health, it makes more sense to cut down first.
From the point of view of avoiding extra stretch marks, or extra loose skin, when they finally do cut down to lower body fat %, it also makes more sense to cut down first.
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08-07-2021, 04:18 PM #11
Correct. Leaner gains come from having your diet dialed in.
There is a point of diminishing returns as far as how lean to get before reverse dieting and going into a muscle building phase. After a certain point the extra time and energy it takes to get to a certain point of leanness could be muscle building time. You can't go by BF% either. You have to look in the mirror and decide. 12% on one person can look completely different on someone else.If you don't get what you want you didn't want it bad enough
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08-07-2021, 04:19 PM #12
A big mixing cup.
Milk (12 oz) x 3 (0%, 1%, 2%, whole as needed to adjust your calories)
Whey Protein powder (that you like) 150 grams of protein worth.
Raw Large Eggs 2 x 3 = 6 (also have 4 cooked eggs for breakfast) total of 10 eggs.
Gainer = 1 scoop (optinal if you get too hungry between meals or need extra energy during the day).
Bananas = 1
Blend it up good so the eggs emulsify.
Eat like this:
Breakfast, 1/3 drink, Lunch, 1/3 drink, Dinner, 1/3 drink.
That is your meals. 3 solid, 3 liquid.
That leaves you about 30 or so grams of protein per solid meal which is easily achievable.
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08-07-2021, 04:42 PM #14
Raw eggs are not considered safe, but nether is getting under a fully barbell for a bench press.
To me they add a lot of flavor and people say the RAW DNA builds muscle quicker.
Plus it's more Crocodile Dundee like.
And when you tell your Mom and friends you drink Raw Eggs, they always think of Rocky and how hardcore that is.
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08-07-2021, 05:14 PM #16
Makes sense - you've got to do what works best for you. Ultimately I think the most important think to come out of those conversations is that even if p ratio doesn't matter, that shouldn't change the recommendations of when to bulk. Starting at a lower body fat makes sense to give yourself more room for a longer and more productive bulking phase.
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I eat a variety of raw animal products: eggs, fish and beef.
For the fish it’s either been tuna, salmon or eel. For beef it’s tartar steak from filet mignon or beef carpaccio (you HAVE to try it). Eggs I’ll only eat raw if they’re pasture raised and I wash them before cracking them. Both hens eggs and to a much lesser extent quail. I’ve actually had a raw quail egg on top of raw tuna many times, zero issues.
Never had any problems from any raw foods but then again I’ve been doing the 5 second rule since I was in diapers….your immune system needs practice.
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