EV/Hybrid Vehicle Discussion Thread

[xTeTe]

My wife went to the Toyota dealer to look at a rav4 hybrid (regular one, not the plug in) and not only did they not have any but they told her it would be 18 months to get one after putting down a deposit. Lol wtf.

[induced_drag]

So first few weeks of electric ownership and find this somehow satisfying. So it looks like running costs are about 1/4 of what equiv gas would have been.

In 2 weeks we have spent $12 on charging the car at home.

I have to go to the airport tonight and pick up my mom who is flying in. It will be my longest trip so far in the car. I know that once you go above 70 in the car it gets less and less range falling off quickly. Even thought he Model X has the lowest cd of any production vehicle, it is still a big footprint and weighs a lot. I am interested to see what my energy use is at 70-75 on highway.

Also going to totally freak out my mom by setting the self driving and refusing to touch the wheel on the way home

[bustasinclair]

So first few weeks of electric ownership and find this somehow satisfying. So it looks like running costs are about 1/4 of what equiv gas would have been.

In 2 weeks we have spent $12 on charging the car at home.

I have to go to the airport tonight and pick up my mom who is flying in. It will be my longest trip so far in the car. I know that once you go above 70 in the car it gets less and less range falling off quickly. Even thought he Model X has the lowest cd of any production vehicle, it is still a big footprint and weighs a lot. I am interested to see what my energy use is at 70-75 on highway.

Also going to totally freak out my mom by setting the self driving and refusing to touch the wheel on the way home

Awesome! Yeah, I lose quite a bit of range when I get over 70 mph, but it is what it is. I'm getting about 288 miles for a full charge, which is pretty good considering the specs say an average of 256 miles. To get my effective range, I simply take my average miles per kwh which is 4.1 and multiply by the battery pack size (77.4 kwh) less an arbitrary reduction because Hyundai doesn't advertise how much of the battery is usable, so lets say 70 kwh is usable. One of these days I will do a test, but it's not practical in daily life to take the car from 100% to 1%.

I have stopped charging at home and charge at Electrify America exclusively now, so my out of pocket is zero. I'm going to see how long I can milk this 2 years free charging....I might as well, I overpaid for the car.

[mgftp]

[Mark1T]

Impressive car, but the range is only like 250 miles. If I considered an EV, I want 300 miles minimum range.

[bustasinclair]

Impressive car, but the range is only like 250 miles. If I considered an EV, I want 300 miles minimum range.

I want to know why it says RIP Ioniq 5. I don't have sound here at work, so if it mentions why in the video, shame on me.

[Mark1T]

I want to know why it says RIP Ioniq 5. I don't have sound here at work, so if it mentions why in the video, shame on me.

I really don't know. 429hp and design maybe. For me, an EV is not about power. It is about being practical. I have a non-practical car

[Mark1T]

I might buy this when it becomes available. But, the waiting list is already in the thousands.

Aptera

https://www.tiktok.com/@aptera_motors

[_zman]

lol, this was predictable. Wait till summer. Good luck.

It's stuff like this that shy me from going full EV. Realistically I'll always have an ICE vehicle though. Seems like hybrid is best of both worlds. Wish companies would make more hybrid options. Seems like a lot of companies are just going to go full EV by 2030, which I'm not a fan of.

[Tommy W.]

It's stuff like this that shy me from going full EV. Realistically I'll always have an ICE vehicle though. Seems like hybrid is best of both worlds. Wish companies would make more hybrid options. Seems like a lot of companies are just going to go full EV by 2030, which I'm not a fan of.

one of my vehicles is a 2022 Honda CRV Hybrid and I think these are the best balance. You never have to plug in and rely on a power grid which I think is the man draw.

[bustasinclair]

I might buy this when it becomes available. But, the waiting list is already in the thousands.

Aptera

https://www.tiktok.com/@aptera_motors

Doesn't look very practical, but I suppose as a commuter car it would be okay. I personally don't like how it looks, but I guess that doesn't really matter in the scheme of things.

[bustasinclair]

one of my vehicles is a 2022 Honda CRV Hybrid and I think these are the best balance. You never have to plug in and rely on a power grid which I think is the man draw.

Agree. Hybrid is a great option. But I think if you are a two car household, one ICE car and one EV is a great balance. My fiancée has an ICE and I have an EV. It works great for us.

[Tommy W.]

Agree. Hybrid is a great option. But I think if you are a two car household, one ICE car and one EV is a great balance. My fiancée has an ICE and I have an EV. It works great for us.

im hesitant on the EVs I just have too many issues with them. I’m just not a big fan. Road trips especially. Plus I just don’t see the ecological value. ICE is not going anywhere anytime soon.

[Mark1T]

Doesn't look very practical, but I suppose as a commuter car it would be okay. I personally don't like how it looks, but I guess that doesn't really matter in the scheme of things.

Well, I agree with most. I am single, so practical has another definition. For me, it is great mileage. The looks were formed from efficiency and function and much less wind drag and agree that you either like it or not.

Your car has the looks and range I would want from an EV.

[induced_drag]

By far hybrid make the most sense from an environmental perspective when you factor in vehicle production...etc.

On a personal ownership level, the EV, especially with todays gas prices is about a factor of 4.5 in gas savings.

Even for us, as little as we drive, we are saving about 150/ month on the equiv gas. If we actually drove or commuted, I am guessing that would be closer to $400/ month. But since I work from home and my wife runs our house, about all we do is school and runs for my son, since my daughter is of driving age now.

I am really really enjoying the use of the EV. It just fits into life so well. I also LOVE speeding around and not worrying about wear or gas by getting 'peppy' on the throttle. I know it still uses power to accelerate, but it just doesnt bother your brain like pegging the rpms.

In 'normal' cars I drive very smooth and easy. I never am hard on a car. I dont go though brakes and in over 100,000 miles on some of my cars I have probably never pushed the throttle all the way down. In 'sports' cars it is a different story But in my normal cars, I drive easy.

I like the freedom to drive the car a little more and know it is not really a strain on it.

The really cool thing, is I can see my wife is warming to driving it. We went to lunch today and she was talking about how she enjoys the acceleration of the car...etc. I looked at her power useage and she was peaking over 900kwh/mi so I say she is enjoying herself. The car will beat a non-turbo 911 in a sprint which is not bad for a 7 passenger suv.

All in all, I was opening my mind to considering more EV's in the future. Just a nice experience to own in our first month. We have yet to take a long trip in it and that will really be a test. But we still have another SUV in the house that is kinda sitting right now, but my son will getting his permit soon. We have my daughters college visit coming up which is about a 4hr drive that I wanted to take it on, but we are taking the dogs so we will probably throw everyone in the KIA.

Even if energy prices were not the savings they are now, I still think the ownership experience is GREAT.

[_zman]

Even for us, as little as we drive, we are saving about 150/ month on the equiv gas. If we actually drove or commuted, I am guessing that would be closer to $400/ month.

I think a lot of people understand it's cheaper from a fuel perspective. Until you figure in all costs of ownership.

I assume you're talking about the model X? And those run 100k or more? Even with a 6 year loan = 1388/mo not including insurance and registration. All for a vehicle isn't necessarily reliable in extreme temperatures or able be taken to remote environments (national parks). I could be mistaken about charging stations out in nature. But vehicles like this aren't even on my radar unless it's a grocery getter / errand runner, and even then, I'd rather drive my classic muscle car any day with the music on, windows down with the exhaust note to boot. And this is coming from someone that swore they'd get a Tesla one day. Now that I have the money, it's beginning to make less and less sense.

[bustasinclair]

im hesitant on the EVs I just have too many issues with them. I’m just not a big fan. Road trips especially. Plus I just don’t see the ecological value. ICE is not going anywhere anytime soon.

I understand, we're all different. I see a world where the EV and the ICE live in harmony. I don't think there should be stigma for owning and enjoying either option.....and further alternative energy options offered in the future as well.

Well, I agree with most. I am single, so practical has another definition. For me, it is great mileage. The looks were formed from efficiency and function and much less wind drag and agree that you either like it or not.

Your car has the looks and range I would want from an EV.

Hope you didn't think I was denigrating it, it does look interesting.

Thanks man, I do love my car!

By far hybrid make the most sense from an environmental perspective when you factor in vehicle production...etc.

On a personal ownership level, the EV, especially with todays gas prices is about a factor of 4.5 in gas savings.

Even for us, as little as we drive, we are saving about 150/ month on the equiv gas. If we actually drove or commuted, I am guessing that would be closer to $400/ month. But since I work from home and my wife runs our house, about all we do is school and runs for my son, since my daughter is of driving age now.

I am really really enjoying the use of the EV. It just fits into life so well. I also LOVE speeding around and not worrying about wear or gas by getting 'peppy' on the throttle. I know it still uses power to accelerate, but it just doesnt bother your brain like pegging the rpms.

In 'normal' cars I drive very smooth and easy. I never am hard on a car. I dont go though brakes and in over 100,000 miles on some of my cars I have probably never pushed the throttle all the way down. In 'sports' cars it is a different story But in my normal cars, I drive easy.

I like the freedom to drive the car a little more and know it is not really a strain on it.

The really cool thing, is I can see my wife is warming to driving it. We went to lunch today and she was talking about how she enjoys the acceleration of the car...etc. I looked at her power useage and she was peaking over 900kwh/mi so I say she is enjoying herself. The car will beat a non-turbo 911 in a sprint which is not bad for a 7 passenger suv.

All in all, I was opening my mind to considering more EV's in the future. Just a nice experience to own in our first month. We have yet to take a long trip in it and that will really be a test. But we still have another SUV in the house that is kinda sitting right now, but my son will getting his permit soon. We have my daughters college visit coming up which is about a 4hr drive that I wanted to take it on, but we are taking the dogs so we will probably throw everyone in the KIA.

Even if energy prices were not the savings they are now, I still think the ownership experience is GREAT.

Agree with all of this. I love the technology and couldn't really care about any environmental benefits, if any.

We will do a road trip in mine soon and I'll report on it. I have already looked into the west Texas charging station infrastructure a bit and I think it will be fine. Still using the free charging. Operating costs are still holding at zero....well, except depreciation of course.

[induced_drag]

I think a lot of people understand it's cheaper from a fuel perspective. Until you figure in all costs of ownership.

I assume you're talking about the model X? And those run 100k or more? Even with a 6 year loan = 1388/mo not including insurance and registration. All for a vehicle isn't necessarily reliable in extreme temperatures or able be taken to remote environments (national parks). I could be mistaken about charging stations out in nature. But vehicles like this aren't even on my radar unless it's a grocery getter / errand runner, and even then, I'd rather drive my classic muscle car any day with the music on, windows down with the exhaust note to boot. And this is coming from someone that swore they'd get a Tesla one day. Now that I have the money, it's beginning to make less and less sense.

Yes I agree. That is why I said hybrids actually do make sense. From a purly economic sense, you cant justify 'any' luxury' vehicle. The "Y" model is their more 'practical' version (but still is not cheap by any means). I had to have warranty work done on the front latch which was sticking and they gave me a "Y" to drive for the weekend. It is nice, but I think I am spoiled a little and I came away with the feeling of being glad I decided to get the x. There are lots of things we get from a car. Utility, enjoyment, etc. I think some are just intangibles and in NO WAY am I trying to make it seem like it makes sense purly from a gas savings. It is probably stupid but in some way makes me feel better.

The best thing would probably be to buy a 10 year old Toyota and save the difference in price and drive the wheels off the toyota.

Cars are such a hard thing to rationalize. But now having owned an EV, I realize there is some enjoyment that comes with them in different ways. It is something I think I am OK with paying for. But in the same breath, I also still am keeping my KIA Sorrento since it 'only' has 125k miles on it and is basically in perfect running order and I feel like I would be stupid to sell it. But I have my truck I wont sell either, even though I only drive it a few times a year...etc.

A 'practical' ev is the model 3. Really a nice car. They just came out w/ a new battery tech in them. Lith Iron which is much happier to charge to 100%. In my car they recommend only changing to 80% for daily use. Not a big deal since I still get 260-270 mi charging to 80%.

I understand, we're all different. I see a world where the EV and the ICE live in harmony. I don't think there should be stigma for owning and enjoying either option.....and further alternative energy options offered in the future as well.



Hope you didn't think I was denigrating it, it does look interesting.

Thanks man, I do love my car!



Agree with all of this. I love the technology and couldn't really care about any environmental benefits, if any.

We will do a road trip in mine soon and I'll report on it. I have already looked into the west Texas charging station infrastructure a bit and I think it will be fine. Still using the free charging. Operating costs are still holding at zero....well, except depreciation of course.

Excited to see how your trip goes. I have noticed the diff in energy usage per mile is sig going from 70-80. Going over 85 (which we do a lot down here) on long trips, really saps energy. The X had the lowest coefficient of drag of any production vehicle, but the old ...increases as square of velocity thing is a killer. I need to see how that impacts us on long trips just so I can get over the anxiety of it all.

[Mark1T]

Hope you didn't think I was denigrating it, it does look interesting.

Thanks man, I do love my car!

Not at all. I appreciate the honesty. ~1000 miles between charging to me and starting price point of about $26,000, is impressive. I would think one that is fully loaded might be around $45K maybe. But, for a family, not ideal. To me, it would be a great commuter. Another downside, is that it might require a motorcycle license.

[xTeTe]

My wife lucked out and the salesperson at the Toyota dealer called her a couple weeks ago and said they had exact model and color of Rav4 hybrid that she wanted on their next allotment. She put down a deposit that day. So between then and delivery, about six weeks. Not terrible. Sucks she has to pay a $5k markup over sticker for it though. She doesn't really care too much though case she can sell her 2015 base model Prius for $17k which is pretty absurd.

[bustasinclair]

My wife lucked out and the salesperson at the Toyota dealer called her a couple weeks ago and said they had exact model and color of Rav4 hybrid that she wanted on their next allotment. She put down a deposit that day. So between then and delivery, about six weeks. Not terrible. Sucks she has to pay a $5k markup over sticker for it though. She doesn't really care too much though case she can sell her 2015 base model Prius for $17k which is pretty absurd.

I hear ya on the markup! My dumba$$ paid $10K over MSRP. Ultimately, I am glad I went ahead and purchased it, but it's still a sore spot; I mean that ate up my entire federal tax credit and then some. That's why I'm using the shiit out of the 2 years free charging. I'm really adamant about NOT charging at home for the next 22 months; that way I can recoup at least some of the $10K.

[Mark1T]

This is electric, but just doesn't have any wheels. When it gets some significant range, I would try it: