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    the vegans got skinny and died ....no one to study as they ALL quit , eat meat on the down low or are dead
    LOL wow... troll status confirmed.

    Please then, show me the articles confirming the alleged deaths. This would have been front-page news... let's see it.
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    Originally Posted by Anonymous000 View Post
    Why are you linking about babies?

    We’re talking about building muscle and obesity, etc.

    So… you’re going to have to try harder

    So you even know what a metabolic ward is? We have plenty of studies showing the positive outcomes using diets with high amounts of plant calories.

    You’re still just making shyt up
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    Originally Posted by Anonymous000 View Post
    you were asking about the baby's dying did you forget? are you having memory issues?....

    Yes the outcomes for plant based dieters:
    are diabetes ,CVD ,heart attacks and death... you're just echo chamber of vegan nonsense .. you're a biased vegan echo chamber nothing more you wrap up plants as being healthy but can't even name a single vitamin in them...


    you as a plant based dieter where do you get EPA/DHA and b12 as well as the vitamins that don't exist in plants?

    Vitamin A-2, B6 (Pyridoxal,pyridoxamine) animal version of b12 D3 which is an animal hormone , F(omega3 EPA/DHA) k-2 amino acids Creatine Carnitine, carnosine,taurine, heme iron CoQ10 Cholesterol,CLA

    I don't know how many times I have to say I am not vegan... but I am not vegan.

    And again, you have failed to support your claims:

    - You said plant-based diets and/or veganism 'causes' obesity
    - You said plant-based diets and/or veganism 'causes' muscle loss


    And yet you have provided ZERO evidence or studies showing this actually happen.


    So again... I am waiting for you to show me any single study EVER showing this.

    CLA is not a nutrient you need to consume. It is not en essential dietary nutrient.

    Cholesterol is not a nutrient you need to consume. It is not an essential dietary nutrient.
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    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    ManWittaBan has been reincarnated. They always seem to disagree with AWW.
    More like disagree with logic
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    ManWittaBan has been reincarnated. They always seem to disagree with AWW.
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    Did he get banned or just stop showing up?

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    you said you were 4 for years you still have that vegan echo chamber in that brain of yours


    you claim plants are Superior to meat or flesh as you like to put it
    Show me where I said 'plants are superior to meat or flesh'.

    Also, show me the studies I asked about. Or, GTFO and shut your mouth.
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    Originally Posted by jimmybig002 View Post
    Hello! 3 months ago, I started gym-going. Now, I can not burn fat. I have a corresponding workout plan. What shall I include in my nutrition program in order to achieve my goal?
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    Mind over matter buddy
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    Originally Posted by Anonymous000 View Post
    see your own signature
    The power of carbs compels me!


    a video of vegan corpses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Vzo3C2vUQ


    veganism does not work


    also almost ALL of your posts you make push the plant slop diet...

    so what are you talking about you are in such denial

    Even you, your self is a plant slop dieter..
    Not interested in youtube.

    Show me actual data and proof.
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    Originally Posted by Anonymous000 View Post
    they only lose weight from starvation eating 70 calorie salads..



    Show me a vegan that is not starving

    also answer my Question on B12 and DHA/EPA

    here lower testosterone is men

    this means less muscle mass and more body fat


    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33741447/
    That study is about low fat diets, not vegan or vegetarians, and it has nothing to do with obesity or measured muscle growth.

    That study if anything goes against your claims because the subjects did consume animal products…

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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Not interested in youtube.

    Show me actual data and proof.
    longest living people eat mainly fruits and veg

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120111...nt_1/500S.long

    Can this count
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    Originally Posted by snailsrus View Post
    longest living people eat mainly fruits and veg

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120111...nt_1/500S.long

    Can this count
    Yeah sure, but that agrees with my claims
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    That study is about low fat diets, not vegan or vegetarians, and it has nothing to do with obesity or measured muscle growth.

    That study if anything goes against your claims because the subjects did consume animal products…

    Try again
    That study is about low fat diets, not vegan or vegetarians, and it has nothing to do with obesity or measured muscle growth.

    That study if anything goes against your claims because the subjects did consume animal products…

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    Originally Posted by Anonymous000 View Post
    they retracted that is why it's no longer online

    you agree with a retracted statement
    so tell me about your diet? What did you eat yesterday?
    What is your gym routine?
    What are your lifts?
    What credentials do you have?
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    those were not meat based dieters eating 2 oz patty from McDonald's does not constitute a meat based diet it just means you ate a pile of plants
    Dude, YOU provided the fukking study…

    You can’t find a single study to support your claims about obesity or muscle loss
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    Originally Posted by snailsrus View Post
    longest living people eat mainly fruits and veg

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120111...nt_1/500S.long
    They may be the longest living people, but all the Okinawan people I've seen look like this:

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    Originally Posted by Anonymous000 View Post
    i don't keep track of what i eat i'm not a woman trying to lose weight... LOL who the hell writes a diary about that...

    typically less then 5% plants


    um i work out at home duh, only idiots pay for something you can all ready do for free I do need to get newer heavier weights though...


    Lifts" People who post about that, are insecure about them self's. they need reassurance from random people
    esp if it's in a 'signature'... like that one guy here..

    Credentials are not legally required in my state anyone can claim nutritionist title* it's a joke of a title to even claim or have to begin with unless you were trying to fool someone and they did not know anyone could claim to be one. so unless one is a RD it means nothing to anyone..


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    So you don’t lift

    You don’t compete

    You don’t know what you eat

    You don’t know what your lab work is

    And have no credentials like a bachelors in nutrition? Or masters? Or related field?
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    Originally Posted by snailsrus View Post
    So you don’t lift

    You don’t compete

    And have no credentials like a bachelors in nutrition? Or masters? Or related field?

    Obviously not
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    why did you quit veganism anyway

    was it because it was unsustainable?
    Got bored
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    Competing is for insecure little boy losers

    Animal products is what I eat for every meal .... Raw meat, cooked meat,organ meats pretty much anything from an animal except the obvious

    Lab work is useless as their is no standard in regards to ref ranges ... one lab may say it's great the other one may say it's bad....
    I literally don't feel sick so why bother. the US health care system is a for profit business, the end user is just a cash cow for them .


    This site all ready disclaims, that it's stated opinion.. or users opinion. anyone can say anything like the joker


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    team ketchup, ideology that claims plant are healthy for you..stated opinion.. or users opinion. he is a question dodger though... that means he has something to hide

    That is why he refuses to admit that you can only get b12 and DHA/EPA from eating animals.. and is a vegan echo..
    Never once did I say you can get b12 from plants.

    You need animal products to get non-supplemental b12.

    However, you can actually get EPA/DHA from Algae... so, no, you don't actually need animal products for DHA/EPA.



    None of this is relevant at all though, because YOUR claim is that eating plants causes obesity and muscle loss, which you STILL have not shown.

    Because it's a made-up piece of BS that you keep babbling on about.
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    Originally Posted by Anonymous000 View Post
    Yes it does cause obesity 2000 cals of plants will make you obese..... all it is, is non bio available plant sludge.. all you get is the carbs into the body and that's it...



    that Algae stuff is a scam it does not work supplements have never been proven to work.... if it carries a FDA disclaimer that means it does not work.. why do you think they put that ?




    You're a bad liar see here you damaged your liver that is why you do not make body fat

    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1410256153
    Then show me proof that 2000 calories of plants will make someone obese.

    Show me it... just find me ONE example of that happening as a result of eating plants.

    Algae is a scam? Are you retarded? Where do you think Salmon get their DHA from ?



    What exactly is your point with that quote?

    I said I tried veganism to see if it helped my stomach issue... which, by the way, WERE WHEN I ATE MEAT ANYWAY.

    WTF does liver have to do with anything? My liver is totally normal... wow...



    You literally haven't said a single thing of use here...

    Good fukking God I hope you're just a troll because a grown adult being THIS stupid is a sad reality.
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    Originally Posted by Anonymous000 View Post
    Vegan western diet will

    you lied you said you were not vegan so why did you quit.? because you lost 25 pounds from eating leaves.. 25 pounds of muscle mass.. that means you got fat...


    you claim to be an adult your self but buy boo berries more like a kidut



    if I lost 50 pounds of muscle mass right now

    I'd be very obese with a body fat of 50% even if I weighted 150 pounds
    Yet again, you make things up that were never said, experienced, or even in the realm of possibility.

    Good luck being relevant... hope it works out somewhere else.
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    Originally Posted by Anonymous000 View Post
    Competing is for insecure little boy losers

    ...

    you claim to be an adult your self but buy boo berries more like a kidut
    This is the kind of mentality I would expect from someone who will never accomplish anything, because they dismiss all achievement as simply a manifestation of insecurity to safeguard their own ego, which is itself encased in too much pride and laziness to endeavor anything warranting the same.

    Go do something useful with your life. No one here cares about what you're saying, so you might as well find yourself a nice mirror to talk to, for a receptive audience.
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    Originally Posted by Anonymous000 View Post
    it's narcissism... you're a narcissist

    just in case you don't know what it means:
    excessive interest in or admiration of oneself and one's physical appearance.
    Considering you know next to nothing at all about me except for my lifts and my physique, I'll actually take that as a compliment to my progress in both, thanks.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Considering you know next to nothing at all about me except for my lifts and my physique, I'll actually take that as a compliment to my progress in both, thanks.
    I'm pretty sure he's someone you all must already have talked to in another form.
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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    I'm pretty sure he's someone you all must already have talked to in another form.
    He's not MWP for sure. Unless you didn't have someone specific in mind.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    He's not MWP for sure. Unless you didn't have someone specific in mind.
    I didn't really, but he's obviously an alt for a long-time forum user. I did notice he became active shortly after Mrpb cursed you all and disappeared though.
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