My lifts have been going up very well and consistently. Now that I'm stronger than before, I noticed that the increments I've been moving up by are becoming a smaller percentage increase. For example, when I took my squat for 3x5 from 185 to 195, it was a 5.5% increase. Now I'm getting ready to move up to 235 from 225 and that's now a 4.5% increase. Does that necessarily mean that the same 10lb increase is becoming easier to move up by even though you're getting closer to your genetic potential each time you're ready to increase the weight? Increasing a squat from 405 to 415 is a 2.5% increase for example. I have no intention to make bigger jumps, I'm always keeping it at 5lbs for upper body lifts and 10lbs for lower body. I see the weights getting heavier and when the time comes to add 10lbs I think to myself, "Oh man, this time it's going to feel like I'm adding 100lbs, this is where I'm gonna get buried." But then as soon as I start lifting that new heavier weight, it actually doesn't feel that much harder. Yesterday I went from 135 ohp 3x5 to 140 and
managed to get 3x3 with it easily, it just felt like a smaller jump.
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07-16-2021, 06:48 AM #1
Do the same weight increment increases get easier as you get stronger?
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07-16-2021, 09:09 AM #2
Hmm. For me, I know that reps compute based roughly as a % of max.
Take a look at some of the calculators online and play around with the numbers.
I have found that If I get 5 reps on a big lift like bench or squats, I can add 30 pounds to the bar and still get three reps. My best effort at 3 reps will be around 90% of my max.
The “problem” with higher rep counts is the variable of the actual time it takes to complete each rep. For example one day you might get 12 reps with a weight but only 10-11 next time…not because you lost gains but because you were slower…the actual time under tension may have increased! This is why high rep strength tests are not very good.
In any case, I doubt I answered your question…gains are gains! No matter the %"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
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07-16-2021, 11:12 AM #3
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10lb jump is 10% of 100lbs
10lbs jump is 2% of 500lbs
Pretty simple. The same size jumps get easier as they are a smaller and smaller % of your max load.
But actually increasing weight in absolute terms? Not really outside your the usual ebb and flow of good and bad blocks and how you respond.
Actually progressing gets harder the more advanced you are..FMH crew - Couch.
'pick a program from the stickies' = biggest cop out post.
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The others have hit upon this, but ultimately it comes down to applied stimulus and adaptation. You're right that %age wise your gains will diminish, but increasing your weight (stimulus) at fixed percentage would be too slow in the beginning and ultimately impossible to maintain. By decreasing your reps and adding weight you need to look if this is sufficient stimulus *and* can you recover/adapt in time for the next workout. Different programs have different philosophies but fundamentally increasing strength is increasing applied stimulus and adaptation. Eventually those incremental gains get smaller, but as long as total weight keeps increasing then you're getting stronger.
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07-16-2021, 07:09 PM #9
Thread title -> yes and no, that is, up to a point
10 lbs to a novice is a big % jump, so it feels hard.
10 lbs to intermediate is a smaller % jump that feels easier, but is still a challenge bcz of diminishing returns.
10 lbs to advanced is a very small % jump but feels crazy hard because of diminished returns.
Payoff in terms of gains gets harder as you advance even as the weight on the bar gets smaller.
I think I added 80 lbs to my squat in a year as an early intermediate in 2018. This year I'll be surprised to add 30 lbs.Once upon a time (maxes 2020) ...
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07-17-2021, 12:42 PM #14
As a lifetime natty..
After a couple of years of decent lifting I was shredded, lean , 175-185 lbs, and not all that strong (maybe 250 bench) at about 20 years old.
At around 30, I was 230 lbs, still lean, benching more like 320-350…
At around 45, fatter by a lot after I quit running but stronger too 385 bench
My best bench, 400 even was at age 48. By that point, I was just try Not to LOSE muscle and not gain fat. Just being able to lift and walk has been good.
I’m 55 now. I would guess that I’m hanging onto around a 345- 365 bench …
I’d say I peaked from a physique standpoint in my 30s. ( best ratio of lean body mass to fat) but peaked in strength later, mid 40s.
As a kid, 17-20…it took 3200 cals a day just to function without exercise….gaining took 4000cal. Back in those days, every Thursday (payday) I’d eat a whole large cheeseburger pizza. These days, I eat a few slices a year.
We are all different but on average most of us lose 1-3% of our muscle each year after 40. Trust me, I’m training my arse off….but can’t win forever against Father Time."A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
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07-18-2021, 06:02 PM #15
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