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    Thoughts on Ivan Djuric?

    I recently started keeping up with his content on YouTube. This guy has apparently squatted literally every day for almost two consecutive years now.

    That is immense dedication and highly respectable, but strikes me as less than ideal for his stated goal of chasing strength. Also seems like a subpar way to gain size, as well. Even if you worship the squat, it's no skin off the bar's nose to program rest and other exercises.

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    I'm not familiar but I generally don't assume that content creators really do the things they promote on their videos - whether squatting every day, 30 day workout to gain 3" on your biceps, etc. That being said, you certainly can squat every day.
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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    I'm not familiar but I generally don't assume that content creators really do the things they promote on their videos - whether squatting every day, 30 day workout to gain 3" on your biceps, etc. That being said, you certainly can squat every day.
    Only seen the ones from the past couple weeks, but he literally comments over footage of him going through his entire squat workout in each video.

    I know it's not impossible, but seems inefficient and that you'll hit a low ceiling of potential going about it that way. I'm still in the <4 plate club though so I can't talk down on any of this stuff.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Only seen the ones from the past couple weeks, but he literally comments over footage of him going through his entire squat workout in each video.

    I know it's not impossible, but seems inefficient and that you'll hit a low ceiling of potential going about it that way. I'm still in the <4 plate club though so I can't talk down on any of this stuff.
    Well it doesn't sound like a great (or fun) program to me, but if he seems to be someone whose legs/strength you'd like to emulate and he gives sound reasoning for whatever's in his videos, you could consider it. If he's actually doing a full squat workout every single day, it sounds like it'd be an unproductive amount of volume.
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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    Well it doesn't sound like a great (or fun) program to me, but if he seems to be someone whose legs/strength you'd like to emulate and he gives sound reasoning for whatever's in his videos, you could consider it. If he's actually doing a full squat workout every single day, it sounds like it'd be an unproductive amount of volume.
    Oh I'm not at all interested in doing it myself. Honestly, while the dedication and mental toughness of that is impressive, he has kind of a lanky physique with somewhat slender legs, and I wouldn't expect someone would achieve a lot of quality size doing that much consecutive volume - so not looking to emulate him, but curious if the forum has observed success from this kind of thing, or has an opinion on the guy himself.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Oh I'm not at all interested in doing it myself. Honestly, while the dedication and mental toughness of that is impressive, he has kind of a lanky physique with somewhat slender legs, and I wouldn't expect someone would achieve a lot of quality size doing that much consecutive volume - so not looking to emulate him, but curious if the forum has observed success from this kind of thing, or has an opinion on the guy himself.
    Well the bolded sounds about right. No opinion since I'm too lazy to look him up, but I know people who've done squats and other lifts every day for periods of time with similar results as other programs, but it was literally like 1 or 2 working sets/day. Really was just volume management, nothing revolutionary.
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    Ivan seems like an ok enough guy, but that programming is whack. Haven't watched him in several months, so I don't know if he's even testing maxes or measuring progression, or just grinding away until he feels that method stops working. He seems reflective on this method but it seems like an experiment more than a steady way of getting stronger.
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    It's fine.
    Most decent weightlifter have squatted 12x a week for decades.
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    Originally Posted by WolfRose7 View Post
    It's fine.
    Most decent weightlifter have squatted 12x a week for decades.
    With top genetics for weightlifting while on many sauces and juices.
    "Reminds me of the good ol' days back in 03-04 when ripptoes/5 by 5/hit/doggcrap reigned supreme and you did not need direct arm work for big biceps. Rows and chins were it. "Ever see a guy rowing 300+lbs with chicken arms?". Ah yes those were the days. God bless amusclehead and his twisted one dimensional views along with the rest of the former flock."
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    Originally Posted by jaxqen View Post
    With top genetics for weightlifting while on many sauces and juices.
    Not sure what any of that has to do with frequency
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    Well the reason I am piqued enough to post a thread about it, is having listened to his commentary on a few of his videos, he seems to say routinely things like "rest is bad" and "reps are strength" then once he made a comment about how it's not "natural" to lift extreme loadings. Sounds like a bias to reinforce the type of intensity he prefers, since there's nothing technically natural about lifting a bar with circular weights on it for fun, in the first place.
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    Originally Posted by WolfRose7 View Post
    Not sure what any of that has to do with frequency
    A juiced guy with great genetics for lifting could recover much faster than a natural with average genetics.
    "Reminds me of the good ol' days back in 03-04 when ripptoes/5 by 5/hit/doggcrap reigned supreme and you did not need direct arm work for big biceps. Rows and chins were it. "Ever see a guy rowing 300+lbs with chicken arms?". Ah yes those were the days. God bless amusclehead and his twisted one dimensional views along with the rest of the former flock."
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    Originally Posted by jaxqen View Post
    A juiced guy with great genetics for lifting could recover much faster than a natural with average genetics.
    It doesn't really matter. High frequency is possible for anyone if you program correctly.
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    Originally Posted by WolfRose7 View Post
    It's fine.
    Most decent weightlifter have squatted 12x a week for decades.

    ...

    It doesn't really matter. High frequency is possible for anyone if you program correctly.
    "Anyone" and Olympic lifters aren't in the same category. His comment was in response to your claim regarding the latter.
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    Originally Posted by WolfRose7 View Post
    It doesn't really matter. High frequency is possible for anyone if you program correctly.

    Are we talking about Ivan Djuric or about another guy who really programed it correctly and who was brought into this just for the sake of the argument? because from what I see on Djuric's channel:

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    ^^ Yeah, I don't think he's trying to intelligently manage volume... instead just doing a whole lot for the sake of it. His 1RM is 455 so intensity is pretty high, as well. In a lot of these he's doing like paused 10x10 with 100KG.

    That's honestly a pretty good level of strength even if he was only squatting once or twice a week, especially for a taller guy. Just makes me think he's holding himself down plateaued by doing it literally every day just for the sake of it.

    Interesting experiment though; certainly memorable and original amid the world of trendy fitness stuff.
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    ^^ Yeah, I don't think he's trying to intelligently manage volume... instead just doing a whole lot for the sake of it. His 1RM is 455 so intensity is pretty high, as well. In a lot of these he's doing like paused 10x10 with 100KG.

    That's honestly a pretty good level of strength even if he was only squatting once or twice a week, especially for a taller guy. Just makes me think he's holding himself down plateaued by doing it literally every day just for the sake of it.

    Interesting experiment though; certainly memorable and original amid the world of trendy fitness stuff.
    Well you're watching his vids and sitting here posting about him, and we're debating it, so mission accomplished. I think that's the real purpose.
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    Originally Posted by jaxqen View Post
    Are we talking about Ivan Djuric or about another guy who really programed it correctly and who was brought into this just for the sake of the argument? because from what I see on Djuric's channel:

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    Was just commenting on squat every day/hf.

    This guy might well be a muppet, no comment on that.
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    Originally Posted by WolfRose7 View Post
    Was just commenting on squat every day/hf.

    This guy might well be a muppet, no comment on that.
    What is a "muppet"?

    I'd like the no-strings-attached definition please.
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    What is a "muppet"?

    I'd like the no-strings-attached definition please.
    Muppet = talking head?

    Sometimes when I watched him he seemed to think out loud a lot and try to explain/understand his method just by going on about it. Like there wasn't a clear overall plan or goal, just something to do and talk about.
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    Muppet = talking head?

    Sometimes when I watched him he seemed to think out loud a lot and try to explain/understand his method just by going on about it. Like there wasn't a clear overall plan or goal, just something to do and talk about.
    Yeah that's the impression I got as well. A respectable dedication but also a little bit of an air of superiority and lack of reflection on aim.

    At least he does do the work, though. Not a keyboard lifter or someone whose only appearances are highly tailored and embellished. When people like me entertain the thought that they're strong gym guys for years without seriously squatting at all, the guy wearing his knees thin under the bar has some immunity to criticism.
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    Daily training maxes and backoffs are kinda hard. But most people who complain are just lazy or ignorant tbh

    Even just squatting every day with some random stuff! If that's what's he does... Is better than what 95% of people do most weeks anyway xD

    Most of the time "it's all about the tunes baby" or just read nuckols Bulgarian manual for why stuff just works.
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    Been following him for ~6 months. For a natty who doesn’t bulk and is relatively lean (not shredded), a 205kg squat is pretty impressive lettuce beef.

    He’s done a few different routines with his squat everyday program. I think he’s done a few cycles of Smolov, something called “pig squat” which is basically pyramid training taken to the extreme. Guy wants to reach 300kg/661lbs natty without bloatmaxxing. Do I think he’ll achieve it? Hell fukking no. But he might reach 250kg. Aim for the stars, land on the moon
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    @Ego, is the Nuckols Bulgarian manual one of his "how to" articles or a program?

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    Been following him for ~6 months. For a natty who doesn’t bulk and is relatively lean (not shredded), a 205kg squat is pretty impressive lettuce beef.

    He’s done a few different routines with his squat everyday program. I think he’s done a few cycles of Smolov, something called “pig squat” which is basically pyramid training taken to the extreme. Guy wants to reach 300kg/661lbs natty without bloatmaxxing. Do I think he’ll achieve it? Hell fukking no. But he might reach 250kg. Aim for the stars, land on the moon
    Yeah but if he's training for a 1RM, is that the best way to go about it? Again, lots of respect for the amount of discipline and work it takes to squat every day, just seems way inefficient. I've got like 40 pounds of fat on him at least and still a much lower 1RM, but the road from 455 to 660 is going to be unrealistic with daily squatting.

    That said... I went from 275 to 300 in half a year benching 3 or 4 times a week. Recovery on the bench is easier though.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Yeah but if he's training for a 1RM, is that the best way to go about it?
    Probably not. Yes there are top 0.1% genetic freaks out there who get paid to lift weights, have no other job and are on mindboggling amounts of “restoratives” who squat 365 days a year, often multiple times a day. But that is a far cry from the recovery abilities of a genetically average natty with a demanding job, a family, and other obligations. Heck even Bulgarian lite doesn’t have you do that.

    My prediction? He might get to around 220-230kg, hit a wall, never get past it, and then revert back to squatting 3x/wk.

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    That said... I went from 275 to 300 in half a year benching 3 or 4 times a week. Recovery on the bench is easier though.
    Benching is definitely easier to recover from than squatting. I would never bench 2 days in a row, but 3 times a week or every other day, sure. My body couldn’t tolerate any more than that if I’m doing any significant volume.
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    ^^ Agreed on both points. I also got my 320 T&G max just this past week ending a program which I thought had way too low bench volume. Whether that's variety or low volume per se is up for debate, but I don't think I would have gotten there in six weeks doing high volume stuff.
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