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Thread: Saturated fat and testosterone
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06-16-2021, 12:34 PM #61
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06-16-2021, 02:31 PM #62
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06-16-2021, 02:36 PM #63
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06-16-2021, 02:53 PM #64
Dude, check out the actual macros in an ostrich egg: https://www.nutritionix.com/i/nutrit...05bc6c163f7c50
It's over 2k calories, 176 g of protein, 5,280 mg of cholesterol, 133 g of fat...of which 44 are SFA
Also, where in the fuk is Mrpb?! He probably srsly knows more about this topic than Volek FFS. I want him to see this thread as bad as I didn't want him to see the other one LOL
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06-16-2021, 03:00 PM #65
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06-16-2021, 03:38 PM #66
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06-16-2021, 03:45 PM #67
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06-16-2021, 03:47 PM #68
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06-16-2021, 03:48 PM #69
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06-16-2021, 10:10 PM #70
One thing I find peculiar about the Volek study that there was a guy in there with a total T of 5 nmol/L, which is too low/below the normal range. The guy was on an ultra low fat diet. If they had removed this guy from the data set (which I think they should have) I think a lot of the relations they found are close to noise.
About the monounsaturated fat, there's more support for that it increases total T but I've also seen several studies showing that it increases SHBG. That means it won't increase free T or it won't increase it as much as SFA would. So SFA may have an edge for people that want to maximise free T.
Not that I think it will make a big difference for most people. Although, if you're looking to maximise strength/muscle higher free T is always preferable I believe. At the same time increasing SFA is also likely to worsen lipids in most, in my opinion.
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06-17-2021, 11:53 AM #71
Thanks, very interesting.
Would very much appreciate some of the sources for what you wrote in the second paragraph if you have them readily available. I suspect I would not find them on my own.
Oh and I don't know if you saw this but there was a brief exchange between me and Strawng earlier in the thread. He thought you had shared a study implying variation in test within the normal range doesn't really matter for muscle building, and I thought the opposite - that you shared a study that suggested that even within the normal range you should expect it to matter as long as we are talking about average increases over a long period of time.The first principle is that you must not fool yourself—and you are the easiest person to fool.
- Richard Feynman
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06-17-2021, 07:33 PM #72
Fascinating!
While your occasional pedantry can get annoying, this is exactly why we need you on these forums. You have an encyclopedic knowledge and an ability to see the details everyone else misses that I think is nothing short of genius. If you retire, it'll be a horrible loss for the forum. Don't leave, bro!
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06-17-2021, 09:34 PM #73
Strawng, Adam, EiFit, and everyone else who regularly posts on this forum seems to have some kind of legitimate experience with nutrition from a scientific standpoint. I just lift and eat and draw upon layman's reading and my own experience. I appreciate the scientific exposition, and would be upset if it took a back seat to miscing.
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06-18-2021, 12:13 AM #74
Seconded.
The reason I so much like discussing with you mrpb, and why I tend to start with the contrarian opinion, is that I know that you will wipe the floor with me in that discussion, poking out the holes in my reasoning.
I already learned a lot from those exchanges, and I hope to learn much more.The first principle is that you must not fool yourself—and you are the easiest person to fool.
- Richard Feynman
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06-26-2021, 01:44 PM #75
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06-27-2021, 06:33 AM #76
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06-27-2021, 06:59 AM #77
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06-27-2021, 09:05 AM #78
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06-27-2021, 09:28 AM #79
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It's funny nobody has mentioned that high carb diets actually tend to increase testosterone....
Also that some studies show high protein diets tend to reduce it.
I don't think we have a full understanding of all the mechanisms at play or if any of these changes in test would even result in a measurable benefit to muscle gain or performance.Last edited by AdamWW; 06-27-2021 at 12:52 PM.
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06-27-2021, 01:55 PM #80
this is true
some of it is genetics/indiviual based. just like you have morning people and evening people (i like being up early).
i have high carbs in the morning and i feel sluggish all day....i have them at night and i feel great. i'm a fan of carbs post workout. when i say carbs i'm referring to whole food carb sources, i don't expect anyone in this forum to have chocolate cake chased with a liter of cola for their pre workout meal.
when it comes to hormones, the best way again is on an individual basis. although it would make sense if your levels are elevated vs on the lower side over an extended period of time would be beneficial. there is good reason why athletes are always looking for an edge.
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06-27-2021, 03:04 PM #81
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06-27-2021, 10:05 PM #82
While there seems to be a lot we don’t know yet I think the evidence is clear that a low-fat diet is bad for testosterone levels (on average). Here is a new systematic review of intervention studies:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...60076021000716
They mention that the switch towards a low-fat diet may be a part of the reason for the drop in testosterone levels in western countries. Found that interesting.
They also mention other evidence that MFAs increase testosterone.The first principle is that you must not fool yourself—and you are the easiest person to fool.
- Richard Feynman
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