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    The reason Palestinians are bombing Israel now: Abbas smoke and mirrors

    Abbas is 16 years into a 4 year term. He just canceled elections (again), because he was set to lose them catastrophically. And so, he did what any good leader would do: started a war to unite the populace against a common enemy, and distract from the cancellation.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...ial-elections/

    March 30, 2021 at 1:00 pm
    Imprisoned Fatah leader Marwan Barghouti is expected to get the largest number of votes if he runs for president, Director of the Palestinian Centre for Policy and Survey Research, Khalil Shikaki, said yesterday.

    Speaking about the latest survey conducted by his centre, Shikaki said that 78 per cent of eligible Palestinians are expected to vote in the upcoming general election.
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    JERUSALEM (AP) - President Mahmoud Abbas announced early Friday that the first Palestinian elections in 15 years will be delayed, citing a dispute with Israel to call off a vote in which his fractured Fatah party was expected to suffer another embarrassing defeat to the Hamas militant group.
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    Reason number 2:

    Washington Free Beacon Editors • May 12, 2021 1:00 pm
    Three recent events, two of them from the past week, haven’t gotten the news coverage they deserve as the Biden administration desperately pursues a rapprochement with Iran.

    The first is the U.S. Navy’s seizure over the weekend of a significant weapons shipment. It contained "dozens of advanced Russian-made anti-tank guided missiles, thousands of Chinese Type 56 assault rifles, and hundreds of PKM machine guns, sniper rifles and rocket-propelled grenades launchers … [and] advanced optical sights," the Fifth Fleet said in a statement.

    The cache was destined for Iran-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen, whom the Biden administration recently delisted as a terrorist organization. No serious person believes the arms didn’t originate in Iran, though for obviously political reasons the United States Navy prefers not to state the obvious.

    In neighboring Iraq, a prominent Iraqi political activist and critic of Iranian influence in his country, particularly the arming and funding of pro-Tehran militias, was gunned down—the latest in a series of Iran critics to turn up dead. The early reporting suggests an Iranian militia is to blame.

    Finally, there is the escalating security situation in the Persian Gulf. After several years of tranquility along one of the world’s most important shipping lanes, Iran has returned to harassing American ships. In early April, one IRGC Navy boat harassed U.S. Navy and Coast Guard boats; weeks later, three IRGC boats got so close that the United States fired warning shots for the first time in years. Thirteen IRGC armed speedboats harassed U.S. ships on Monday again forcing them to fire warning shots.

    In response, Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said yesterday that "harassment by the IRGC Navy is not a new phenomenon." That depends on the definition of the word "new": This round of antagonistic behavior began a few weeks ago, after several years of comparative Iranian good behavior in the Gulf.

    These events make clear that Tehran feels no pressure to demonstrate goodwill to the Biden administration, preferring confrontation and violence. It cannot be a coincidence that these events are unfolding in the midst of the administration’s campaign to reenter the nuclear deal.

    No matter how many times the pattern repeats itself, JCPOA supporters refuse to learn that Iran repays engagement with contempt, not good behavior, and that the Iranians know a dupe when they see one. Looking at you, Rob Malley.

    Elsewhere in the region, the Hamas terrorist organization is demonstrating the same astute appreciation for weakness. A month after Team Biden announced its intention to restore U.S. aid programs to Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza and resume funding for UNRWA, Hamas rockets are raining down on Israel. Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas is glorifying the behavior and encouraging the attacks.

    The Biden administration pledged to revive aid to the Palestinians—and to jump back into the nuclear deal—to advance peace.

    In both cases, the administration has been repaid with violence and humiliation.
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    You are correct, but this will mostly be ignored because it's easier to simply blame Jews.
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    Originally Posted by Tears View Post
    You are correct, but this will mostly be ignored because it's easier to simply blame Jews.
    Always the JOOS. :/
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    Originally Posted by keyboardworkout View Post
    That would be grand. Then the jihadis would **** off and go back to goat ****ing (not muslims, jihadis), and jew-haters would go hate someone else for a change.
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    You are correct, but this will mostly be ignored because it's easier to simply blame Jews.
    Sounds like the r/p
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    WWIII is coming.

    And it will be the US and Israel verses everyone else.

    Again, this is textbook biblical prophecy.
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    Originally Posted by Tears View Post
    WWIII is coming.

    And it will be the US and Israel verses everyone else.

    Again, this is textbook biblical prophecy.
    Kind of like a capture the flag scenario? What else happens in this fantasy of yours?
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    Kind of like a capture the flag scenario? What else happens in this fantasy of yours?
    there is complete, global unrest. Society is in constant conflict. A savior will arise that will unite everyone under a certain mark.

    If you think what is happening in the US isn't spreading to the rest of the world, then you are ignorant.
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    I thought the biden/democrats liked war? But Biden hasn't said a damn thing about this conflict as of yet
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    there is complete, global unrest. Society is in constant conflict. A savior will arise that will unite everyone under a certain mark.

    If you think what is happening in the US isn't spreading to the rest of the world, then you are ignorant.
    Sweet baby Jesus! I better grab the popcorn then!
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    Sweet baby Jesus! I better grab the popcorn then!
    Once you aren't allowed to buy popcorn without your chip, you might take it more seriously.
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    Originally Posted by Tears View Post
    Once you aren't allowed to buy popcorn without your chip, you might take it more seriously.


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    The same could be said for BiBi, right?

    He can't form a government, and is facing prison time for corruption.

    The only thing that is preventing him from his destiny is his role as PM.
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    The same could be said for BiBi, right?

    He can't form a government, and is facing prison time for corruption.

    The only thing that is preventing him from his destiny is his role as PM.
    This is true, but Hamas would NOT engage to benefit Bibi. This is purely Abbas trying to stay in power, and Hamas playing their angle.
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    This is true, but Hamas would NOT engage to benefit Bibi. This is purely Abbas trying to stay in power, and Hamas playing their angle.
    Who said Hamas would have to engage first?
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    Originally Posted by OPGenesis View Post
    Who said Hamas would have to engage first?
    Where did I say 'first'? Here:

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    Nice source lmao.

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    Originally Posted by OPGenesis View Post
    Nice source lmao.

    Not clicking on that.
    You can ignore whatever you want, it doesn't make ity go away. I posted aditional links in my OP. Good luck.
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    Who said Hamas would have to engage first?
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    I am sympathetic to the Palestinians in that they should finally get a state and settle their differences with Israelis, but at the same time the Palestinian leadership is so incredibly shady. Honestly, it does not surprise me that Israel helped make Hamas to weaken Arafat and put those two sides in an endless civil war for power... this splitting the land between them and keeping power there forever.

    I also think Netanyahu and Abbas have a mutual understanding that this helps them both get re-elected/stay in power. Hell, even Erdogan is jumping in on this and getting points. Never ever underestimate to how low politicians will go to stay in power. This **** is all shady now. It reminds me of Serbs, Croats, and Bosnians going at it over the war of the 90's every time there is a election to unite their ethnic groups so nationalists can stay in power forever.


    Again, politicians have no lows to which they won't go down to in order to remain cozy. At the end of the day, average folks are getting played.
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    Originally Posted by poison View Post
    Abbas trying to stay in power, eh? Seems like he's done his best to achieve the opposite...

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    Fatah is compromised in Palestinian public opinion by its long history of cooperation with Israel, of prioritizing stability and order — and its own privileged position in the West Bank — over any visible progress toward better days for the Palestinians. Where Fatah seems to offer only compromise and retreat, Hamas has never backtracked (at least in its rhetoric) from its full-throated vow to deliver a comprehensive victory for the Palestinians, untarnished by compromise with wicked Israel.
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    Sporadic outbreaks of violence are good for both Abbas and Netanyahu.
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    https://news.yahoo.com/israels-chang...191414825.html

    LMFAO Netanyahu and Abbas playing 4D chess. Both just bailed each other out.

    Sad for the people getting killed over this ****.
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    Ramadan just finished, so maybe when these *******s start eating they will stop being dickheads and Israel will stop overreacting?
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    Sounds like the r/p
    Sounds like college campuses, which are full of anti-Jewish sentiment.
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    Originally Posted by OPGenesis View Post
    Abbas trying to stay in power, eh? Seems like he's done his best to achieve the opposite...

    Fatah
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    A Palestinian political and military organization founded in 1958 by Yasser Arafat and others to bring about the establishment of a Palestinian state. It dominated the Palestine Liberation Organization from the 1960s, but more recently has been challenged by more extreme groups, and in 2006 was defeated by Hamas in the elections for the Palestinian National Authority.
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    What led Hamas to the current escalation? INSS senior researcher Dr. Kobi Michael writes:

    The cancellation of the Palestinian elections, which in the eyes of Hamas were supposed to be the ultimate platform for the goal of taking over the Palestinian Authority and the PLO while establishing domestic and international legitimacy, led Hamas to turn East Jerusalem into the preferred arena of conflict. The riots were not spontaneous, and preparations continued while Hamas laid the groundwork, readied the cadres, and above all prepared the stone stockpiles and Molotov cocktails that were smuggled into the Temple Mount compound. The choice of Jerusalem was intended to ignite the religious sentiment of all Palestinian factions and the Palestinian public, while understanding that any Israeli response out of violent friction would plunge Israel into a problem of legitimacy and reduce its room for maneuver and response.

    Assuming an Israeli response to the events in Gaza would be moderate, measured, and contained – such as the response two weeks ago after 36 rockets were launched in one night in response to clashes at the Damascus Gate – Hamas sought to change the rules of the game and the deterrence equation against Israel, making Jerusalem part of the equation: Israeli moves in Jerusalem will be answered with a response from Gaza. This new equation has helped Hamas to position itself in the eyes of the Palestinian public as the defender of Jerusalem and the Islamic holy sites, while embarrassing Abu Mazen and the Palestinian Authority and presenting them as empty vessels.

    The weakening of Yahya Sinwar in the Hamas system in the Gaza Strip in the face of the strengthening of militant elements, and perhaps also the return of Khaled Mashaal to the Hamas leadership, likewise enhanced Hamas's self-confidence and perhaps its arrogance as well, when it chose to present Israel with an ultimatum, which it realized, by firing a salvo of rockets toward Jerusalem. In this unprecedented and unusual move, Hamas has scored a significant cognitive achievement. Knowing that there would be an Israeli response, Hamas was willing to pay a price, but apparently estimated that its ability to rebuild the infrastructure and military capabilities would be quick and efficient, and therefore chose to act as it did.

    But this time it seems that Hamas erred in assessing the Israeli response. This time, Israel will not be able to operate under the logic of restraint, containment, and the desire to achieve calm and resolution as quickly as possible. Israel's strategic choice is nothing less than a declaration of war, and in this war the rules of the game will apparently change, and Israel will not be able to end it without leaving a deep cognitive scar on Hamas and all the other factions at the cost of severely damaging the organization's military capabilities. From now on, Gaza will no longer be the Gaza we knew, and it seems that something in Israel has changed as well.

    From a historical perspective, Palestinian wildness and violence have produced at most limited and short term achievements. The test of time shows that violence has led the Palestinians time and time again to a lower stature and distanced them from the vision of independence and a state, and it seems that this time too they have chosen not to learn the required historical lesson.
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