The universe is too big, aliens will never find us

[PrehistoricUFO]

We’re just barely removed from apes and we think we can say with certainty what an inconceivably advanced life form could or could not accomplish.

Well based on deduction we can say what a species could theoretically do or not do.

There's no certainty to any of it but if they're traveling the space between galaxies successfully, they don't need us, or our planet, for anything. They would be masters of the physical universe and only explore for intellectual/cultural/spiritual development. They wouldn't even need another biological being for exploitation under any circumstances.

[rollerball]

Well based on deduction we can say what a species could theoretically do or not do.

There's no certainty to any of it but if they're traveling the space between galaxies successfully, they don't need us, or our planet, for anything. They would be masters of the physical universe and only explore for intellectual/cultural/spiritual development. They wouldn't even need another biological being for exploitation under any circumstances.

There's supposed to be varying degrees of these hypothetical advanced civilizations.
Like Type I is complete control over your planet's resources.
Type II is complete control over your own Sun's resources.
Type III is control over multiple suns/solar systems.
Type IV is control over universal systems.
Or some chit like that.
I suppose it would depend on that hypothetical hierarchy.

[PrehistoricUFO]

There's supposed to be varying degrees of these hypothetical advanced civilizations.
Like Type I is complete control over your planet's resources.
Type II is complete control over your own Sun's resources.
Type III is control over multiple suns/solar systems.
Type IV is control over universal systems.
Or some chit like that.
I suppose it would depend on that hypothetical hierarchy.

Indeed, the Kardashev scale is interesting but we'd have detected anything arpund T3 (in our own Solar System) under type 4 by now based on the Fermi Paradox - so if we ever encounter a T4, we likely won't be significant to them in any way.

[rollerball]

Indeed, the Kardashev scale is interesting but we'd have detected anything arpund T3 (in our own Solar System) under type 4 by now based on the Fermi Paradox - so if we ever encounter a T4, we likely won't be significant to them in any way.

Yeah T4 seems so disproportionate we would likely appear as ants to them or some chit

[TonyTriangles]

what if we are so insignificant that they ignore us completely

edit:
chances are, they already went by and we didnt even notice theme. radar was barely invented in the 1930s and very rudimentary, so they could have stopped for a pit stop and left without a trace. even with our technology today, we probably wouldnt be able to detect them.

[menseks]

OP, imagine if you bring back a small nuclear reactor to victorian times. it generates power for years without additional fuel, relatively quite, and can invisibly kill you if you try to open it up to peek inside. something that's widely available today would be seen as alien or witchcraft back then.

imagine what alien tech could do that's not just hundreds, but millions of years ahead of us. look up bob lazar. guys seems like a kook until you look a bit deeper and a lot of the chit he said has come true.

[thedarrenestes]

imagine what alien tech could do that's not just hundreds, but millions of years ahead of us.

The issue with this is you have to have a planet, star, solar system be relatively stable for billions of years to produce a species that is millions of years advanced

The earth is 4 billion years old and we have yet to get a life form beyond our own moon

Not only do we revolve around a single medium size star that doesn't wreck us with random flares, gamma rays/X-rays on the reg, but we also have numerous gas giants outside our orbit that have and continue to soak up countless asteroids, comets, and any other potential extinction events from outside that would totally reset the Earth and everything living on it

All those factors alone are rare and abnormal outliers of what we seem to observe in our own galaxy and still does not even take into consideration our own planetary disasters such as super massive volcanos, ice ages, global warming, nuclear winters etc all of which have the capacity to wipe the slate clean again

However I'll concede somewhere there is/are intelligent alien species, the sheer size of the universe is far too vast to deny...
But I can't take serious the prospect humans and advanced aliens will ever be aware of each other

[palumboism]

That may be the real reason they need to spray the skies with metal particles - to hide & protect us. Wouldnt want to freak out the sheeps.

[augustusbrah]

How do you know their technology/biology isn't so enhanced that they are able to scan for other intelligent life/habitable worlds on a massive scale at great ease?

how would they be able to see us from billions of light years away?

[CementPizza]

We don't understand the universe.

Think of us like this. We are ants crawling around on the floor of in the kitchen / break room of a nuclear power plant. We have no idea what atomic energy is, where we are or even what the chairs, dishwasher and refrigerator is. All we do is eat crumbs. Once in a while one of us may notice some giant thing moving by.

As ants our brains don't have the capacity to conceive of a nuclear reactor let alone build one. We can't even conceive of the wheel.
But here we are, spouting off about the nature of the "universe" in which we live.

Some think we live in the only ant colony in existence, some say there are other colonies but they are too far away to ever reach. However Dr. Miscer J ******* (a human) drives past 1000's of ant colonies every day as he goes to and from work in his car.

[Coal Man]

If you want to have a legit discussion on this, then there are some who think otherwise. Our own galaxy may have other lifeforms in it, and it's certainly not that large that a civilization wouldn't be able to cross the gap with technology that can come close to light speed because our galaxy (100k LY) isn't that large.

It is impossible to come close to the speed of light, especially for a large craft. The tech will never exist, also would require insane amounts of energy to propel a mothership that far.

BRB expending the energy of 12 suns and traveling for 200 thousand years across the galaxy just to visit earth to anal probe a bunch of primitive monkeys. Yeah totally makes logical sense for super advanced aliens to do brah lmao.

[konsept1]

I assume if they had that technology they would have visited us long ago and already wiped out our civilizations and drained our planet dry of its resources.

What if they dont even need our resources?

[elterrible987]

even if aliens were real, they would have to develop insane technologies tens of thousands of years more advanced than us to even be sure that we exist on this planet..... and then they wouldn't be able to reach us as they would have to move significantly faster than the speed of light to ever reach earth (impossible)

only perceivable way to achieve this would be to bend space in front of them to constantly shorten the distance as they could never travel quickly enough through it

universe is like 15 billion years old and human civilizations only developed for like 10k years. Its def plausible there are stars that have already died out. any aliens on those systems would have had to escape and they would have had billions of years to figure it out.

[elterrible987]

It is impossible to come close to the speed of light, especially for a large craft. The tech will never exist, also would require insane amounts of energy to propel a mothership that far.

BRB expending the energy of 12 suns and traveling for 200 thousand years across the galaxy just to visit earth to anal probe a bunch of primitive monkeys. Yeah totally makes logical sense for super advanced aliens to do brah lmao.

what do humans do when they find a new area of earth with new animals? shoot them with darts, capture them, probe their asses, put a tag on them. The aliens are acting just like we would if we could visit another planet. I mean hell we spend billions of dollars to send probes in space to other planets and moons just to take samples of dirt.

[Coal Man]

what do humans do when they find a new area of earth with new animals? shoot them with darts, capture them, probe their asses, put a tag on them. The aliens are acting just like we would if we could visit another planet. I mean hell we spend billions of dollars to send probes in space to other planets and moons just to take samples of dirt.

Humans getting to the forest next door takes an hour.

Did you read how impossibly difficult it is for them to get here? Of course if they were on Jupiter they'd anal probe us but they're halfway across the galaxy brah, huge difference.

[teodorkanev1]

The first man in space died about 50 years ago. Our space-faring is in its infancy. We didn't have electricity 200 years ago. 200 years is fukking nothing in the grand scheme of things. Think about how recently we started to actually develop scientifically and we've been around for 270 000 years my friend. What's the chance of an alien civilization peaking at the same time you and I are alive, develop super lightspeed travel and then finding out about us? Maybe WE are the ones destined to be the advanced ''aliens'' to some other uncivilized planet in the near future who knows. Maybe we won't find jack and neither will the aliens.

[Shortfuze]

What if aliens did find us? Would they even be interested? We'd probably be as insignificant as ants to them or the intellectual equivalent of baboons. And when was the last time you attempted to communicate with a baboon?

[teodorkanev1]

What if aliens did find us? Would they even be interested? We'd probably be as insignificant as ants to them or the intellectual equivalent of baboons. And when was the last time you attempted to communicate with a baboon?

But we keep baboons in zoos don't we? Why are we interested in baboons , chimps and rats and why do we cage them and probe their angus?