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    Cut back on exercises?

    I've been doing calisthenics for 3 years on and off same with weights. My goal is to be fit cut up and have functional strength. Lately I've leaned off the calisthenics and stirred more towards weights and less cardio. Friend of mine is saying I'm doing too much working out and it's hindering my progress.
    My normal routine consist something like:
    Monday
    - Chest and tricep day moderate weight something I can hit 10-12 times
    2 sets of warm up
    4x10 bench press. 2x10 incline
    4x12 flys
    4x12 weighted dips
    4x12 weighted push ups
    4x10 tricep ext
    4x12-15 kick back
    4x8-10 close grip bench press
    Walk 3 miles
    Tuesday
    -Legs
    2x10 warm up squats
    4-5x8-10 back squats
    3x8-10 front squat
    4x10 bg split squats
    2-3x8 lunges
    4x10 stiff leg deadlifts
    20-30 minutes jump rope
    Wednesday
    -Back + bicep
    10x5 weighted pull ups
    5x till failure pull ups b/w
    4x10-12 bend over rows
    4x12 dumbbell single row
    4x12 pull downs
    4x10 resistance bands straight arm side pull downs
    4x10 back ext
    4x10 close grip bicep curl
    4x10 wide bicep curl
    4x10 hammer curls
    3x10 concentration curls
    4x10 reverse curls
    Thursday
    -shoulders
    2x10 warm up sets 4x8-10 military press
    Lateral raises
    Superset 3 different weights set in front of me and I so the train heavy to light with no rest 3 sets of heavy 8 reps,medium 10,light 12reps.
    4x15 rear delt flys
    2-3x10 face pulls
    Friday
    Chest heavy day
    5x5 bench press
    4x failure weighted dips
    30 min jump rope
    Honestly it sounds crazy but I'm trying to convince my self that soreness is not always necessary to be making progress. Should I cut my workout down?
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    It would help to know the weights you currently use on each exercise.
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    Are you making good progress towards your stated goal of being fit, cut up and having functional strength (whatever any of that means)?
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    Originally Posted by Stann90 View Post
    moderate weight something I can hit 10-12 times

    Honestly it sounds crazy but I'm trying to convince my self that soreness is not always necessary to be making progress. Should I cuz my workout down?
    1. What does "something I can hit 10-12 times" mean? Are you progressing regularly? Are you doing the same weight every week? Are you doing some random amount of weight each time, based on how many reps you can eek out that day?

    2. Soreness is not necessary.

    3. Nothing here screams overworked to me. However, it looks to me like you're doing a lot of accessory work, especially on arms. Anyway, I think the issue is more likely a lack of direction. Haphazard workouts produce haphazard results.
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    Looks fine if your goal is to get sore, get a pump but overall make really slow to no progress, than it looks great!

    I work with a guy like that. He thinks wearing a lifting belt at all times can spot reduce belly fat, eats 2 dozen eggs a day, looks absolutely soft and grunts while moving light weights for dozens of reps.

    Don’t be like that guy.
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    Originally Posted by Duplicitous View Post
    1. What does "something I can hit 10-12 times" mean? Are you progressing regularly? Are you doing the same weight every week? Are you doing some random amount of weight each time, based on how many reps you can eek out that day?

    2. Soreness is not necessary.

    3. Nothing here screams overworked to me. However, it looks to me like you're doing a lot of accessory work, especially on arms. Anyway, I think the issue is more likely a lack of direction. Haphazard workouts produce haphazard results.
    I've been told not to go up on weight unless I can get the same weight for 12 reps my whole workout for the day, if I manage to get 12 reps for 4 sets let's say on military press than I go up 10 pounds. And yes some days I change the weight go heavier and get 6-8 reps but never light enough to where I can get more than 12 reps. I'm use to doing high volume calisthenics, but I know weights is different so I'm still figuring it out.
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    Since you didn't answer with the weights, I'll just agree with your friend.
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    Since you didn't answer with the weights, I'll just agree with your friend.
    I use weights in the range of 75-85% of 1RM
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    Originally Posted by Stann90 View Post
    I use weights in the range of 75-85% of 1RM
    We don't know your 1RM so this doesn't help with offering programming advice. At least give us your squat,bench and deadlift 1RMs
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    Originally Posted by Stann90 View Post
    I use weights in the range of 75-85% of 1RM
    75% of185lbs is very much different than 75% of 405lbs.
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    Squat 295
    Deadlift 315 <- but don't go past 225 because I tend to round my back, so I'm still working on the form
    Bench press 275
    Shoulder press 205
    I'm 5'9 178 pounds
    Sorry, I thought weight didn't matter as much as intensity level.
    Thanks guys
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    Originally Posted by Stann90 View Post
    Squat 295
    Deadlift 315 <- but don't go past 225 because I tend to round my back, so I'm still working on the form
    Bench press 275
    Shoulder press 205
    I'm 5'9 178 pounds
    Sorry, I thought weight didn't matter as much as intensity level.
    Thanks guys
    Yeah, the volume is over the top for you.
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    Way too much for back and biceps. Too much for chest and triceps as well. The rest seems like a manageable amount of volume, especially shoulders, that's fine.

    Sounds like you're really new to weights.

    Your chest and triceps workout could just be this...

    Flat Barbell Bench: 5 sets of 5 reps
    Incline Barbell Bench Press: 4 sets of 8 reps
    Weighted Dips: 3 sets of 10
    EZ Bar/Barbell Skull Crushers: 4 sets of 12

    Assuming you're truly training hard, tracking your workouts, eating enough, and making progress, you'll grow.

    People often do far more than they need, especially beginners, but I understand.

    More seems better, and as a beginner, the quality of your reps probably isn't very good.

    You're getting down the form, the mind-muscle connection, the control, all of that.

    For someone very experienced like myself, I could probably do 4 sets of 1 exercise and work my chest harder just in those 4 sets than a beginner doing 12 sets.

    Sometimes a beginner needs more just to feel their chest working and actually work their chest since the quality of their reps isn't that great yet. I'm not saying they do need more, but I'm saying this is why the often FEEL like they need more.

    BUT, that's still too much for chest and the back and biceps workout. Even legs could be cut down a bit.

    Starting with so much volume also doesn't allow room to continue to increase volume as time goes on.

    I'm not saying because I did it, it's right, but when I was a beginner a typical chest workout was...

    Flat Bench: 3 sets of 6-10
    Incline Bench: 3 sets of 8-10
    Dips: 3 sets of 10-12
    Flyes: 3 sets of 12-15

    I should have been hitting everything twice a week, but I was doing this once. Just 12 total sets for chest once a week. I gained 45 pounds that year.
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    I'm so use to training to the point of exhaustion, thinking that if I have gas left in the tank I didn't do it right. Like the person from the upper comment said soreness is not necessary. I have to change the way I think. I'll cut the volume down a little.
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