FDA set to approve Pfizer vaccine for children aged 12-15

[Paul Kreul]

Why do people who have already had covid need to be vaccinated?

They don’t. Op is a retard. Ubiquitous viruses are fought and defeated primarily by the T-Cell lymphocytes within our immune systems, Not from natural or artificially implanted antibodies.

[StoliFun]

Are you retarded? They literally dropped the cycle test count down to 24 for those vaccinated lol. You are seriously the dumbest fukin poster here,& it’s not even close.

Btw..

Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID-19 vaccines worsening clinical disease

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/

TrUsT tHe ScIEnCE.

Your family tree must be a circle

Tell us what you think the study there means. Use your own words.

[LukeLissen]

Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID-19 vaccines worsening clinical disease

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/

from your link:


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Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID-19 vaccines worsening clinical disease
Timothy Cardozo 1, Ronald Veazey 2

Affiliations
1 Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Pharmacology, NYU Langone Health, New York, NY, USA.
2 Division of Comparative Pathology, Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine, Tulane University School of Medicine, Tulane National Primate Research Center, Covington, LA, USA.
PMID: 33113270 PMCID: PMC7645850 DOI: 10.1111/ijcp.13795

Abstract
Aims of the study: Patient comprehension is a critical part of meeting medical ethics standards of informed consent in study designs. The aim of the study was to determine if sufficient literature exists to require clinicians to disclose the specific risk that COVID-19 vaccines could worsen disease upon exposure to challenge or circulating virus.

Methods used to conduct the study: Published literature was reviewed to identify preclinical and clinical evidence that COVID-19 vaccines could worsen disease upon exposure to challenge or circulating virus. Clinical trial protocols for COVID-19 vaccines were reviewed to determine if risks were properly disclosed.

Results of the study: COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralizing antibodies may sensitize vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID-19 disease via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). This risk is sufficiently obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing COVID-19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in these trials.

Conclusions drawn from the study and clinical implications: The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for the trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standard of patient comprehension for informed consent.

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That's a huge issue and has the potential to kill and maim many many millions of unaware, uninformed, foolish people in the next few years, and may already be responsible for many deaths among the vaccinated.

and the vaccine providers [all of whom are partners to the global cabal of the World Economic Forum, creators and organizers of the Great Reset ] are completely absolved of lawsuit liability should it happen.




Here's the Wikipedia article for ADE -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibo...nt_enhancement

[xbluexhawkx]

Paul Kreul really is that special ed kid

posts a study which is half about ADE, unfortunately he didn't post this quote

Current data on COVID‐19 vaccines is limited, but does not so far reveal evidence of ADE of disease.

oh! a rubbish scientific paper with no data or evidence!

he doesn't even read the studies he posts

sad!

unfortunately for Mr. Kreul, studies came out saying ADE is not a concern, your "study" was a little old there, pal.

[Heisman2]

Pediatrician here. I do not know why it is taking so long to get the EUA approval, I thought it would be done last week. I cannot wait to have more of my patients get the vaccine.

For those talking about long term effects, there typically are no long term effects from vaccines that are not seen in the first two months after getting them. So if studies are at least two months long you will have a very good idea of what the long term effects will be.

[Cleveland33]

Even if you’re vaccinated you still have to wear a mask LMAO

Unless you're Biden and hanging out with a 93 and 96 year old inside, then you don't have to



But when you go outside to leave, better mask back up

[JUSA]

It's simple really. He has a higher chance of adverse outcome from covid than from the vaccine.

Did he? The total number of children deaths from covid is very low. We're still figuring out these vaccines, with no long term studies done whatsoever.

Btw, why all the hate on Biden from everyone? He's playing the media, pretending he cares, taking the mask off the second the media turns their back. Yes, it's virtue signaling, but clearly he doesn't give a fuk about masks, either.

[JoshSP1985]

Why should a child that has literally a 99.999% survival rate and arguably higher for your average healthy kid need a vaccine?

[Dave22reborn]

Pediatrician here. I do not know why it is taking so long to get the EUA approval, I thought it would be done last week. I cannot wait to have more of my patients get the vaccine.

For those talking about long term effects, there typically are no long term effects from vaccines that are not seen in the first two months after getting them. So if studies are at least two months long you will have a very good idea of what the long term effects will be.

You cannot wait for your 10 year old patients to get it?

[Underwrought]

1. Because immunity isn’t built up?

2. Because variants are new strains that must be studied? The vaccines work against them anyways we’re finding out.

3. Because you lose immunity over time? Like the flu shots?

4. There is no need to wear a mask weeks after your second shot.

Nothing protects you 100%. It’s 100% effective in making sure it’s not a serious case if you catch it. Studies are coming out that transmission is significantly decreased when vaccinate and guidelines will be following that soon.

So just like the flu, which we dont force people to get the vaccine, close down businesses for, make people wear masks for, and shut down the economy by giving out trillions in free money? Well thats good to know.

[R3L3NTL3SS]

We’re moving the goal posts from “it’s not FDA approved” to “we don’t know the long term effects now”

I wonder what it will be next?

Uhhh...everyone with functioning brains has had concerns with what the long term effects would be since talks of a (supposedly) working vaccine even began...

[R3L3NTL3SS]

Why should a child that has literally a 99.999% survival rate and arguably higher for your average healthy kid need a vaccine?

Because liberal psychopaths.
I know people who have brainwashed their kids (like ages 10-15) to be actually, truly afraid of this virus. That they probably won’t get in the first place. And if they do, have a 99.99% chance of surviving.

[Heisman2]

You cannot wait for your 10 year old patients to get it?

When it gets approved at that age, yes. The sooner we get all kids vaccinated the sooner all the schools can go back to normal. Also, while very few children die from COVID-19, we do see cases of MIS-C and I've seen several patients who've had fatigue and other lasting effects from COVID-19 for months.

On the other hand, I do not anticipate any long-lasting side effects from the vaccine, if none are seen in clinical trials.

[Dave22reborn]

When it gets approved at that age, yes. The sooner we get all kids vaccinated the sooner all the schools can go back to normal. Also, while very few children die from COVID-19, we do see cases of MIS-C and I've seen several patients who've had fatigue and other lasting effects from COVID-19 for months.

On the other hand, I do not anticipate any long-lasting side effects from the vaccine, if none are seen in clinical trials.

That's why you want to see them get it? So "life can go back to normal?" Should they be required to get the booster shots for the rest of their life as well?

[Cleveland33]

When it gets approved at that age, yes. The sooner we get all kids vaccinated the sooner all the schools can go back to normal. Also, while very few children die from COVID-19, we do see cases of MIS-C and I've seen several patients who've had fatigue and other lasting effects from COVID-19 for months.

On the other hand, I do not anticipate any long-lasting side effects from the vaccine, if none are seen in clinical trials.

Any?

As in you don't expect to see a single long lasting side effect in any patient in clinical trials?

[Heisman2]

That's why you want to see them get it? So "life can go back to normal?" Should they be required to get the booster shots for the rest of their life as well?

I didn't say they should be required. I have lots of anti-vaxxers in my practice; nobody forces them to get vaccines. Regarding the need for booster shots, time will tell. Currently it's unclear how long immunity will last and what impact new variants will have.

Yes, I want people to get vaccinated so life can get back to normal but also so people will be protected from COVID-19.

Any?

As in you don't expect to see a single long lasting side effect in any patient in clinical trials?

I really don't expect long-lasting side-effects from a vaccine IF there is no evidence of any side-effect in the first 2 months. There is no reason for me to think a vaccine will not cause a side-effects in the first 2 months and then start causing side-effects later on. To my knowledge that has never been demonstrated; if anyone has links/evidence to counter this point please educate me as I'd really appreciate it.

[Cleveland33]

I really don't expect long-lasting side-effects from a vaccine IF there is no evidence of any side-effect in the first 2 months. There is no reason for me to think a vaccine will not cause a side-effects in the first 2 months and then start causing side-effects later on. To my knowledge that has never been demonstrated; if anyone has links/evidence to counter this point please educate me as I'd really appreciate it.

Doesn't everything have at least one or two side effects found in trials though?

[Heisman2]

Doesn't everything have at least one or two side effects found in trials though?

Oh for sure, but most side effects don't last the duration of the trial. If the trials find side-effects that last the entire duration of the trial then that would definitely be more concerning to me.

[JUGGERNAUT1333]

Can still get Covid

Can still pass it on to others

Still have to mask up

Still have to social distance

99.9% chance of surviving with or without a vaccine

This ^

[EdwardTheGreat]

Yes, I want people to get vaccinated so life can get back to normal but also so people will be protected from COVID-19.

Do you think that people who have already had covid need to get vaccinated?

[Heisman2]

Do you think that people who have already had covid need to get vaccinated?

There are some cases of people getting COVID-19 twice and the second round being worst than the first. There is also probably going to be waning immunity after initial infection and so getting vaccinated may provide more protection long term. So I do advise people who have had COVID-19 to get vaccinated. I myself had COVID-19 at the end of November and I got my first vaccine write around the time of Christmas and my second vaccine one month later (Moderna).

Imagine having this lunatic as your doctor waiting to pump you full of meds before even assessing you as a patient. You should lose your license srs. You are fuggin gross.

However I don’t actually believe your a doc. And this is a troll account t

I've said many times on this forum if anyone wants me to provide proof to a mod that I'm a physician I'd be happy to do so. I never said anything here about giving people medications, I have been talking generally regarding getting vaccinated. I generally try to avoid prescribing meds that are not available over the counter if I can help it.

[EdwardTheGreat]

There are some cases of people getting COVID-19 twice and the second round being worst than the first. There is also probably going to be waning immunity after initial infection and so getting vaccinated may provide more protection long term. So I do advise people who have had COVID-19 to get vaccinated. I myself had COVID-19 at the end of November and I got my first vaccine write around the time of Christmas and my second vaccine one month later (Moderna).



I've said many times on this forum if anyone wants me to provide proof to a mod that I'm a physician I'd be happy to do so. I never said anything here about giving people medications, I have been talking generally regarding getting vaccinated. I generally try to avoid prescribing meds that are not available over the counter if I can help it.

Why is the bolded a more likely probability?

[yeshli2nuts]

Did he? The total number of children deaths from covid is very low. We're still figuring out these vaccines, with no long term studies done whatsoever.

Btw, why all the hate on Biden from everyone? He's playing the media, pretending he cares, taking the mask off the second the media turns their back. Yes, it's virtue signaling, but clearly he doesn't give a fuk about masks, either.

Why is the determining factor for covid simply the death rate while the determining factor for the vaccine the unknown long term side effects? Why do you not account for the unknown long term side effects of covid?

What if covid is like the varicella zoster virus which causes chickenpox as a kid, then sits dormant in your body for decades, and then suddenly comes back as shingles? But what of covid is worse when it reemerges?

I just think it's so ironic how people are sooooo scared of the long term side effects of the vaccine but don't give a shyt about the long term side effects of the virus.

[Heisman2]

Why is the bolded a more likely probability?

For many infections immunity wanes over time, and this is seen with coronaviruses and other common cold viruses in general. It's also seen with vaccines which is why people talk about booster shots, though with COVID-19 the other reason people talk about booster shots is to include new variants in the boosters.

[JUSA]

Why is the determining factor for covid simply the death rate while the determining factor for the vaccine the unknown long term side effects? Why do you not account for the unknown long term side effects of covid?

I account for them but they're unknown. I also assume there is some correlation between those who have a greater chance of death and having a greater chance of unknown long term side effect.

If someone is in an age group that accounts for 0.09% of all covid deaths, as anyone aged 5-17 is, since there is no real information about these unknown long term side effects, I have to assume they're also looking at greatly reduced odds there, too.

Most people who get covid are fine and suffer mild symptoms, we know this. Children, in particular, are the ones who have the least amount of mortality, it's probably a safe assumption that the same applies to these unknown long term side effects that people keep bringing up as if they're something known to be horrific.

What if covid is like the varicella zoster virus which causes chickenpox as a kid, then sits dormant in your body for decades, and then suddenly comes back as shingles? But what of covid is worse when it reemerges?

I don't play the "What If" game to invent potential situations that make covid more dangerous than it is known to be and then adjust my life on these completely made up hypothetical situations out of fear.

I just think it's so ironic how people are sooooo scared of the long term side effects of the vaccine but don't give a shyt about the long term side effects of the virus.

One if more well known. Name a single mRNA vaccine that has had long term study. Then try and name other kinds of coronaviruses. Covid-19? It's been around a year. We obviously do not understand everything there is but we've seen it the past year and have been studying it extensively. We have other corona viruses to look at.

It's not ironic at all.

[EdwardTheGreat]

Why is the determining factor for covid simply the death rate while the determining factor for the vaccine the unknown long term side effects? Why do you not account for the unknown long term side effects of covid?

What if covid is like the varicella zoster virus which causes chickenpox as a kid, then sits dormant in your body for decades, and then suddenly comes back as shingles? But what of covid is worse when it reemerges?

I just think it's so ironic how people are sooooo scared of the long term side effects of the vaccine but don't give a shyt about the long term side effects of the virus.

People have been in lockdowns, masked, washing their hands 50 times a day, keeping their kids from socializing in person for over a year because they are trying to avoid the virus (and thus its long term effects)...that is an indication of how much they give a shyt about the effects of the virus. That is far, far away from willfully getting something injected into them which may have the same or even worse long term effects. There is a huge difference between being cautious and being stupid, and people have every right to show reasonable hesitation over something with no long term study available.

The keep calling this a vaccine and saying it's just like any other vaccine, why are you so dumb? The reality is that this is an injection unlike any other that has been used on humans before, with components that have never been used on humans before. They are likening it to a vaccine by calling it one in order to provide association and acceptance, when it does not function like one, it is something different and questioning it should not be met with ridicule.

[yeshli2nuts]

Everything you said applies equally to the vaccine as it does to covid...

Most people who get covid are fine and suffer mild symptoms, we know this. Children, in particular, are the ones who have the least amount of mortality, it's probably a safe assumption that the same applies to these unknown long term side effects

Most people who get the vaccine are fine and suffer mild symptoms, we know this. It's probably safe to assume the same applies to the unknown long term side effects.

Name a single mRNA vaccine that has had long term study. Then try and name other kinds of coronaviruses. Covid-19? It's been around a year. We obviously do not understand everything there is but we've seen it the past year and have been studying it extensively. We have other corona viruses to look at.

Regarding the mRNA vaccines: we obviously do not understand everything there is but we've seen it the past year and have been studying it extensively and everything about it seems to be completely safe. But even so, the J&J vaccine is nothing new, are you ok with that one?

[Dave22reborn]

Imagine having this lunatic as your doctor waiting to pump you full of meds before even assessing you as a patient. You should lose your license srs. You are fuggin gross.

However I don’t actually believe your a doc. And this is a troll account t

Probably someone that would prescribe testosterone to a 15 year old girl, but would refuse to give it to a 40 year old male.....

[Dave22reborn]

Why is the determining factor for covid simply the death rate while the determining factor for the vaccine the unknown long term side effects? Why do you not account for the unknown long term side effects of covid?

What if covid is like the varicella zoster virus which causes chickenpox as a kid, then sits dormant in your body for decades, and then suddenly comes back as shingles? But what of covid is worse when it reemerges?

I just think it's so ironic how people are sooooo scared of the long term side effects of the vaccine but don't give a shyt about the long term side effects of the virus.

Christ, people like you are the type that dialed 911 when you saw kids playing outside in park without masks.

You make it sound like Covid is the Black Death, where if you catch it, you have a 33% chance of dying.

[Heisman2]

Probably someone that would prescribe testosterone to a 15 year old girl, but would refuse to give it to a 40 year old male.....

I don't understand why some of you are posting negative things about me that don't directly address the points I am making. I've even been negged with seemingly no justification. I come to this section like once a month and am constantly reminded how hard it is to have actual useful discussions.

To those of you who were respectful with questions/comments, thank you. For the rest of you, you all win, I'm out.