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    Not sure why I’m getting Access Denied even in PM’s now. The site just continues to break down it seems.

    Anyway, here’s my reply:

    “If I were you I would take the opportunity the next time you deadlift to experiment. Try different foot widths and angles, varying hip heights. Usually high hips means hinging back more - the Starting Strength crew usually advocates this (Rippetoe, Thrall, etc). I remember Thrall made a video a while ago saying to basically “fall into” the lift - so that as you get into the correct starting position, the bar acts as a sort of counterweight and should theoretically give you a stronger pull. I tried this and it didn’t work for me - I can’t get enough leg drive unless I have some degree of hip drop. I also notice form breakdown at lower weights compared to my usual setup with hip drop.

    This is highly individual. Even if we are a similar height (I am either 6’1 or 6’2), deviations in anthropometry can change optimal lifting mechanics. I have long femurs, but I also have long arms which helps balance it out because disproportionately long legs can be disadvantageous for deadlifts, but long arms are always advantageous.

    Let me know if you have any more Q’s. That said, I’m nowhere near the biggest nor the strongest poster in the Exercises forum”


    ^^^While we’re making a thread out of this, I might as well post the Alan Thrall video I was referring to:



    ^As you can see, despite the “high hip” position, there is still a small degree of hip drop. My setup looks somewhere between that high position and the “don’t just squat down!” part of the video where he displays an extremely low hip position akin to that of a chitting dog.
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    Not sure why I’m getting Access Denied even in PM’s now.
    Maybe if you took this site a little more seriously.
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    Thought this post was some public warning against the guy. Eli's alright.

    This Gibbs vid about deadlift is the most detailed and concise IMO. Cliffs

    2.40 - Activate glutes by turning knees out slightly.
    4.30 - Hinge down to the bar. RDL is good for practicing hinge.
    8.27 - Engage lats by screwing shoulders into sockets. "Bend the bar." This improves spinal position.
    9.40 - The 3 cues together.
    10.55 - Don't pull the bar up from the floor. Push the floor away from the bar. Gibbs says "pull your body through the floor." Cue for leg drive and spinal position.
    11.45 - Is the deadlift a 2-part lift, or a 1-part lift? Is quad push off the floor part 1, and lockout part 2? Gibbs answers at 15.10. Hint: Glute engagement from the floor up to lockout is crucial.
    15.15 - The benefits of training at lower loads are improving and practicing position and form.

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    Originally Posted by GeneralSerpant View Post
    Maybe if you took this site a little more seriously.
    I’m not sure what is meant by this.

    @ECGordyn thanks for the contribution
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    Too many (()) in the post is usually the killer.



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    Originally Posted by MyEgoProblem View Post
    Too many (()) in the post is usually the killer.



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    the start of this vid is gold for you I think Eli, you definitely seem to pull the shoulders back in a starting a row sort of fashion
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    Good information guys.

    Retested my max today with a focus on these points of form and got it. Unusually full in the weight room for a Thursday, so this was about as good of an angle as I could realistically get. Sitting into the lift and pulling the slack out, while keeping tension with a solid brace made getting a little lower with the hips feel more natural. That said, it does feel like a tradeoff of power breaking the floor for an easier lockout, and still more of a "recalibration" than something natural. Hips were higher last time I got this, but finishing it out was plenty harder.

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