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    Why would the media only tell half the truth knowing full well it will lead to social and racial unrest?

    It's almost like that's what they want.

    CNN's Technical director admitted that's what his network does in that video that leftists claim isn't his actual words being spoken.
    "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
    demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."

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    Wait a second.. did they actually alter the footage to take the gun out of his hand? If this is true I hope the officer can make a case to take them to civil court.
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    Originally Posted by Audioslave View Post
    Wait a second.. did they actually alter the footage to take the gun out of his hand? If this is true I hope the officer can make a case to take them to civil court.
    Read the OP.
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    Originally Posted by BullittEV View Post
    Read the OP.
    I read it and I think I got it right but maybe not? It said "cropped out the footage showing the teen’s alleged firearm" which to me means they altered the footage to take the gun out of his hand. By cropping they mean cut the size of the frame so that you don't see the gun in his hand, correct?
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    Originally Posted by Audioslave View Post
    Wait a second.. did they actually alter the footage to take the gun out of his hand? If this is true I hope the officer can make a case to take them to civil court.
    Cut out a couple moments and it’s skips the whole portion of the kid turning - flashes to him hands up with I think fake gunshot sound and the video goes no farther than that - no aftermath at all.

    So it starts at the moment of their initial contact at skips to the a single frame of Toldeo with his hands up - the video never shows a gun.

    That’s really bad.
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    Originally Posted by Audioslave View Post
    I read it and I think I got it right but maybe not? It said "cropped out the footage showing the teen’s alleged firearm" which to me means they altered the footage to take the gun out of his hand. By cropping they mean cut the size of the frame so that you don't see the gun in his hand, correct?
    There's two possible scenarios you are proposing: 1) The media deceived the people by cropping out a gun by editing the image or 2) The media deceived the people by cropping certain scenes to not show the gun.

    Now ask yourself what difference of a reaction would you have to one vs the other. A standard IQ individual would have the same reaction, that the media tried to deceive the viewer.

    Are you pretending to be a simpleton or are you really asking this question?
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    Originally Posted by BullittEV View Post
    There's two possible scenarios you are proposing: 1) The media deceived the people by cropping out a gun by editing the image or 2) The media deceived the people by cropping certain scenes to not show the gun.

    Now ask yourself what difference of a reaction would you have to one vs the other. A standard IQ individual would have the same reaction, that the media tried to deceive the viewer.

    Are you pretending to be a simpleton or are you really asking this question?
    I doubt it’s political, Srs. Maybe for some, but I think it’s all about the bottom line. This story sells better with more outrage and doesn’t require them to spend a lot of time writing full stories about justified shootings and 13 year olds running around with guns. Just reuse the ones they have.
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    It is why they should be sued into oblivion.

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    Originally Posted by miscinbro View Post
    I doubt it’s political, Srs. Maybe for some, but I think it’s all about the bottom line. This story sells better with more outrage and doesn’t require them to spend a lot of time writing full stories about justified shootings and 13 year olds running around with guns. Just reuse the ones they have.
    You really giving the media the benefit of the doubt they dont have an agenda? Not a very smart bottom line if you want people to not believe anything you say. They are going for the low IQ, low hanging fruit.

    Lmao, you are giving leeway to the most divisive factor of our country. I think you should re-evaluate.
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    Originally Posted by BullittEV View Post
    There's two possible scenarios you are proposing: 1) The media deceived the people by cropping out a gun by editing the image or 2) The media deceived the people by cropping certain scenes to not show the gun.

    Now ask yourself what difference of a reaction would you have to one vs the other. A standard IQ individual would have the same reaction, that the media tried to deceive the viewer.

    Are you pretending to be a simpleton or are you really asking this question?
    I must be a simpleton because I didn't know I proposed two different scenarios. I just thought that "cropping" meant that they cut the size of the frame of the footage (like when I crop pictures), not that they took frames out. I honestly don't know the lingo though. I'll look at the two videos side by side.
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    Originally Posted by BullittEV View Post
    You really giving the media the benefit of the doubt they dont have an agenda? Not a very smart bottom line if you want people to not believe anything you say. They are going for the low IQ, low hanging fruit.

    Lmao, you are giving leeway to the most divisive factor of our country. I think you should re-evaluate.
    No I'm not giving them cover - and to be clear - it's clearly not liberal media that's the only one making things up. I don't think risking the health of our nation over some money is a very defensible position. Hell, we've got people here daily that say they "want Russia to win."

    But if you ask me why I think someone like the Kraken lady did all that crazy stuff and I'll tell you I think it was for the money and she didn't gibe two shts about Trump's politics.
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    Originally Posted by Audioslave View Post
    I must be a simpleton because I didn't know I proposed two different scenarios. I just thought that "cropping" meant that they cut the size of the frame of the footage (like when I crop pictures), not that they took frames out. I honestly don't know the lingo though. I'll look at the two videos side by side.
    Brah, it doesn't matter. The media here saw the whole video and decided to cut out the one, legal, justifiable reason that the police officer would be in the right to use lethal force. Does it matter whether it was the scene or the same scene just with the gun cut out? Both accomplish the same thing. You trying to figure this out is like watching someone debate whether or not someone committed murder based on the caliber of round used.

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    No I'm not giving them cover - and to be clear - it's clearly not liberal media that's the only one making things up. I don't think risking the health of our nation over some money is a very defensible position. Hell, we've got people here daily that say they "want Russia to win."

    But if you ask me why I think someone like the Kraken lady did all that crazy stuff and I'll tell you I think it was for the money and she didn't gibe two shts about Trump's politics.
    Your words: I doubt it’s political, Srs. Maybe for some, but I think it’s all about the bottom line.

    That is exactly giving them cover by saying their intent on editing the video wasnt as nefarious because of the money. Based on evidence, that scenario is much less likely. I dont know anything about Kraken lady.

    Here's another example of how the left is lost in the woods when it comes to the media. Myself and most other Trump voters on this forum continue to denounce the media, left and right. While you still argue as if I care or think it's not the right-side outlets, I dont. It's all of them.
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    Originally Posted by BullittEV View Post
    Brah, it doesn't matter. The media here saw the whole video and decided to cut out the one, legal, justifiable reason that the police officer would be in the right to use lethal force. Does it matter whether it was the scene or the same scene just with the gun cut out? Both accomplish the same thing. You trying to figure this out is like watching someone debate whether or not someone committed murder based on the caliber of round used.
    I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say in my post. I said the cop should sue CBS if they edited the video as to where he doesn't have the gun in his hand.
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    Originally Posted by Audioslave View Post
    I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say in my post. I said the cop should sue CBS if they edited the video as to where he doesn't have the gun in his hand.
    He should sue either way.
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    Originally Posted by BullittEV View Post
    Your words: I doubt it’s political, Srs. Maybe for some, but I think it’s all about the bottom line.
    Don't bold quote some lines where I might not have been as articulate as I could have been like some gotcha. I'm telling you exactly what I mean, and you're trying to attack me like I don't mean it?

    Media (both "sdies") and people that become "media" by constantly sharing political views are, I believe, driven by the fact it sells so well, gives them such platforms, and it's so easy. I don't think it's politics for most of them - that's actually very cynical.

    Now, go ahead and tell me what I really mean and fight me cause we vote differently. That's what "they" want.
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    LOL at anyone who believes the media doesnt lie to further the left's agenda.
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    Originally Posted by BullittEV View Post
    He should sue either way.
    There's only one way though. They either did or didn't edit the footage so there is or isn't a gun in his hand. I don't know where we're going off the tracks here.
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    Originally Posted by Audioslave View Post
    There's only one way though. They either did or didn't edit the footage so there is or isn't a gun in his hand. I don't know where we're going off the tracks here.
    Just as a point of law, CBS won't get in legal trouble for this. I don't think they changed any moments of the video, just cut a few out. They never claimed it was unedited and it gets in a "dramatic" moment.
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    Originally Posted by miscinbro View Post
    Don't bold quote some lines where I might not have been as articulate as I could have been like some gotcha. I'm telling you exactly what I mean, and you're trying to attack me like I don't mean it?
    He wants you to admit that their motivation was political.

    You cannot just acknowledge it and suggest they probably did it for money (super viable suggestion, by the way).
    You must admit that it was part of some global conspiracy to murder all Americans wearing red trucker hats.
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    Originally Posted by mvitz View Post
    LOL at anyone who believes the media doesnt lie to further the left's agenda.
    This - right here - is why this stuff works. Yes, it's only the left that's spread falsehood lately *eyeroll*. Don't question what your media tells you, nooooo.

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    Originally Posted by miscinbro View Post
    Just as a point of law, CBS won't get in legal trouble for this. I don't think they changed any moments of the video, just cut a few out. They never claimed it was unedited and it gets in a "dramatic" moment.
    I need to watch the videos side by side to really understand exactly what they edited.
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    Originally Posted by miscinbro View Post
    Don't bold quote some lines where I might not have been as articulate as I could have been like some gotcha. I'm telling you exactly what I mean, and you're trying to attack me like I don't mean it?

    Media (both "sdies") and people that become "media" by constantly sharing political views are, I believe, driven by the fact it sells so well, gives them such platforms, and it's so easy. I don't think it's politics for most of them - that's actually very cynical.

    Now, go ahead and tell me what I really mean and fight me cause we vote differently. That's what "they" want.
    I read what you wrote and responded, I didnt realize you meant something else.. You are free to correct whatever you want. I think it is politics based on two things: 1) We've seen it before, many times. 2) Bottom lines are going down across the board for viewership, letting people believe you are misleading them for ratings is not a good way to keep ratings up.

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    There's only one way though. They either did or didn't edit the footage so there is or isn't a gun in his hand. I don't know where we're going off the tracks here.
    They edited the footage so it didn't show the gun.

    Originally Posted by miscinbro View Post
    Just as a point of law, CBS won't get in legal trouble for this. I don't think they changed any moments of the video, just cut a few out. They never claimed it was unedited and it gets in a "dramatic" moment.
    Agreed. There's not much legal precedent here because the media hides behind the guise of entertainment.

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    He wants you to admit that their motivation was political.

    You cannot just acknowledge it and suggest they probably did it for money (super viable suggestion, by the way).
    You must admit that it was part of some global conspiracy to murder all Americans wearing red trucker hats.
    He knows that isn't what I am saying it's political based on precedent. It's more telling that you would make this up for an argument, though. Sad.
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    Originally Posted by miscinbro View Post
    This - right here - is why this stuff works. Yes, it's only the left that's spread falsehood lately *eyeroll*. Don't question what your media tells you, nooooo.

    FFS.
    We literally just went over this, I am condemning all media, as should everyone.
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    Originally Posted by Audioslave View Post
    There's only one way though. They either did or didn't edit the footage so there is or isn't a gun in his hand. I don't know where we're going off the tracks here.
    They literally removed, from the video, the part where you see a male holding a gun while turning towards the officer and the shooting itself.

    Instead of the above, what you see is the cop chasing the dude, then all of a sudden it jumps to a still shot of the kid with his hands up.

    They leave the still up and insert the gunshot sound and a flash. The still of the kid with his hands up does not move.

    It’s totally doctored.

    And they gave this description of the video:
    Newly released bodycam footage shows Chicago police chasing and fatally shooting 13-year-old Adam Toledo, as he appeared to comply with orders to raise his hands.
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    did he have a gun in his hands when he was shot?
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    They do this all the time

    During the Zimmerman thing they lightened up Zim’s skin to make him more white and chose a pic of him looking like a bag of chit.

    On Trayvon’s pic they darkened his skin up and used an old pic of him looking like an innocent much younger child.
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    Originally Posted by BullittEV View Post
    He knows that isn't what I am saying it's political based on precedent. It's more telling that you would make this up for an argument, though. Sad.
    That was humor.

    You were going after the guy for simply suggesting the media doctored the footage for money.

    You were insulting him for not accepting that their motivation was political.

    No one has any proof of either.

    I was making fun of you for this, but you appear to have changed your tune in this response; so good on you (srs).
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    Originally Posted by Skwidward View Post
    That was humor.

    You were going after the guy for simply suggesting the media doctored the footage for money.

    You were insulting him for not accepting that their motivation was political.

    No one has any proof of either.

    I was making fun of you for this, but you appear to have changed your tune in this response; so good on you (srs).
    There's definitely the possibility that the media was doing this for money. My belief is the damage they have caused and are causing to the country by dividing everyone should be punished by 24/7 skepticism and triple checking until they get their act right. If they need to be dissolved, so be it.
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    Originally Posted by Audioslave View Post
    I need to watch the videos side by side to really understand exactly what they edited.
    I can't atm, but if you do report back - very interested.
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