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    Originally Posted by Droopdx View Post
    Been thinking about going all in on a trade, but I’m legit retarded at handy man work. Dad didn’t teach me anything in that department :/

    What would be my best option?
    Trade school imo

    Find out if they have hands on projects. It would be a good environment to start out in, cause it doesnt matter
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    Can you become an electrician or plumber without an apprenticeship?
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    Popin my young , whale **** , first year apprentice sparky head in.

    The biggest difference comes down to union or non union. The salaries are way off. I’m a first year , started at 20/$ hr ( I had about 6 months experience so I negotiated with my current company) got bumped to 21/$ hr after 90 days and will be at 23/$hr in a few weeks after I finish my first semester of schooling.

    With 56 hour work weeks (the norm) , my bi weekly checks are a little under 2k take home.

    Non union journeyman make about 30-40/$hr in San Diego depending on experience and what you do. The union guys make 48/$hr plus bennies.

    It’s also area dependent , in Seattle wireman make as much as distribution lineman down here. Union guys are at 60/$hr on the check plus bennies and parking allowance , non union is right behind them at 55-58/$hr, maybe a little less for light commercial/high end residential.


    Southern California wages are kinda **** Unless you work union but if you’re single you can still do alright with overtime.

    I’m actually visiting my sister in Seattle this week and I’m gonna apply for LU 46 up there and see what non union shops will offer me in the meantime. My sister is cool with me moving up there and staying with her if I want but that’s besides the point.

    It’s extremely rewarding work and you will always have an In-demand skill. You can literally find work if you have a year or more experience anywhere in the country. I can find a job in a single day in any major metro area even as an apprentice.

    Another thing is job security. No walking on egg shells , no cancel culture **** , free reign almost. You also can’t get fired for **** unless you mortally wound someone on the job.

    They won’t fire that lazy ass material handler guy we have who never brings tools and sleeps on the clock , much less anyone who’s At least halfway productive.

    It really is the life. Especially if you get into the IBEW. I’d probably kms already if I went to college and tried to get a stem job.







    Originally Posted by Droopdx View Post
    Been thinking about going all in on a trade, but I’m legit retarded at handy man work. Dad didn’t teach me anything in that department :/

    What would be my best option?
    Work for berg or another non union contractor as a shop hand or pre apprentice. After 6 months apply to the Portland LU 48 ibew and by the time you’ll interview you’ll be ahead of all the Soyboy baristas who have 0 construction expierence. Srs.
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    Originally Posted by vwdsg2468 View Post
    Can you become an electrician or plumber without an apprenticeship?
    You can do anything without it, you'll just make less money while you're learning. Being an apprentice is usually union and hard to get into.
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    Miscers whove been doing trades, how are your bodies holding up?
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    I was bringing in over 200k a year at 18 years old as an elevator mechanic/apprentice Because of that I was able to buy 6 rentals around toronto. Prices went insane and I became a millionaire in my early 20s. Meanwhile my friends had just finished racking up huge amounts of debt to get a useless degree and were working at Starbucks while they job hunted.

    Now I own my own tradie business and bring in 7 figures a year.

    Honestly if you want to be a sheep and work for the man go ahead and get a degree. If you want to be free and make a good living you can do so with the trades (srs)

    That said you have to be smart. A dumb tradie will waste all his money on monster energy drinks and financing a new truck every 2 years. Obviously you're not gonna get ahead with that mindset
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    Originally Posted by navid93 View Post
    Miscers whove been doing trades, how are your bodies holding up?
    Only okay, that's a down side. Cut myself with a chainsaw when I was 18, Dr's were surprised I could still move my hand, it's now getting numb. Cracked a rib when I was working at a mine, that hurt. My knee hurts often, tore my mcl. Pinched a nerve in my neck running a loader, bugs me at least twice a year for months and I'm only 33. Still worth it though, couldn't imagine working inside a building.
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    I don't understand the hate for trades while simultaneously hating those who want student loan forgiveness.

    I have the best of both worlds. Assistant Construction Manager. Office + site work.
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    Originally Posted by propreffered7 View Post
    Trade school imo

    Find out if they have hands on projects. It would be a good environment to start out in, cause it doesnt matter
    Trade school is a joke. If you want to be handy you have to get your hands dirty. Start fixing everything you can, learn from YouTube. Get a skilled tradie job. Little things like knowing how to properly read a tape measure and use power tools properly will benefit you more then anything
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    Originally Posted by Mike1991 View Post
    I was bringing in over 200k a year at 18 years old as an elevator mechanic/apprentice Because of that I was able to buy 6 rentals around toronto. Prices went insane and I became a millionaire in my early 20s. Meanwhile my friends had just finished racking up huge amounts of debt to get a useless degree and were working at Starbucks while they job hunted.

    Now I own my own tradie business and bring in 7 figures a year.

    Honestly if you want to be a sheep and work for the man go ahead and get a degree. If you want to be free and make a good living you can do so with the trades (srs)

    That said you have to be smart. A dumb tradie will waste all his money on monster energy drinks and financing a new truck every 2 years. Obviously you're not gonna get ahead with that mindset
    Knew a union dude who quit my union to be an elevator operator for another union, all he had to do was push a button and made like 48 dollars an hour.
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    Originally Posted by John L View Post
    Misc tradie's e-stat their salaries bigly (so does every other miscer regarding their careers typical salary). The vast majority of tradies are not making anywhere close to 6 figures.
    Median income for Electricians in May 2020 was $56,000. That's not including any double OT. Add another 20 hours each week and it's very easy to hit $100k./

    https://www.bls.gov/ooh/construction...ians.htm#tab-5
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    Originally Posted by MikeLowrrrey View Post
    Median income for Electricians in May 2020 was $56,000. That's not including any double OT. Add another 20 hours each week and it's very easy to hit $100k./

    https://www.bls.gov/ooh/construction...ians.htm#tab-5
    Lol maybe As an apprentice with OT that’s what you’ll make. 1st-2nd yr max unless you live in a really cheap COL area.

    Journeyman make a lot more than that in any halfway major city.
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    I've done tradie like work in my early years and some on the side. If it's something you actually enjoy, your body can handle it, and you don't mind long hours, I say go for it. You can definitely make a lot of money. If that's what's important to you.

    I don't love the officel life, but I prefer it over trade-like work by far. I'd rather use brain-like skills than wrecking my body. Just my experience. Don't get me wrong, the best tradesmen have a lot of skill, smarts, and experience. Just not something I want to tie myself to for life. Officel life/experience can put me just about in any career.

    A good friend of mine gave up the electrician lifestyle, same as me giving up tradie like work and we returned to college. Both graduated with no debt. He became an engineer and he prefers the solid officel wage and still goes out in the field making more money cuz he has that real-world experience. He can probably work just about anywhere at this point. Same as me. It's a route I definitely recommend and it's worked out for both of us.
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    Originally Posted by stupid000 View Post
    Knew a union dude who quit my union to be an elevator operator for another union, all he had to do was push a button and made like 48 dollars an hour.
    Anything in elevators makes lots of money. But an operator is a pleb job. On a busy skyrise job they barely even get to eat lunch. It's basically their job to keep materials moving to the floors non stop. No time for breaks

    Plus they are very prone to getting laid off depending on how busy things are

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    Originally Posted by MikeLowrrrey View Post
    Median income for Electricians in May 2020 was $56,000. That's not including any double OT. Add another 20 hours each week and it's very easy to hit $100k./

    https://www.bls.gov/ooh/construction...ians.htm#tab-5

    How do we know that there’s no OT included in that? Regardless the pay for an experienced electrician working for a company is definitely higher than that. In my area experienced plumbers, electricians etc make between 75k and 110k-ish. Then there’s all of the jr mechanics, helpers etc who make less than that. Average pay certainly is not six figures.
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    Originally Posted by Mike1991 View Post
    Trade school is a joke. If you want to be handy you have to get your hands dirty. Start fixing everything you can, learn from YouTube. Get a skilled tradie job. Little things like knowing how to properly read a tape measure and use power tools properly will benefit you more then anything
    I think it depends on the trade school. Thats why i said find out if they do hands on

    Mine here is more focused on hands on. We were building chit 1 week in.

    Ive heard other people saying they came out without knowing how to read a tape measure, etc. Which is hard to fathom to me

    I just got done representing my county at a state competition for electricity and that thing is a construction project. Read blueprints, build to, etc.

    So, again, its hard for me to fathom someone insinuating they didnt learn chit in trade school

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    Originally Posted by Mike1991 View Post
    Anything in elevators makes lots of money. But an operator is a pleb job. On a busy skyrise job they barely even get to eat lunch. It's basically their job to keep materials moving to the floors non stop. No time for breaks

    Plus they are very prone to getting laid off depending on how busy things are

    Better to actually have a skill which ensures employment
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    Originally Posted by _zman View Post
    I've done tradie like work in my early years and some on the side. If it's something you actually enjoy, your body can handle it, and you don't mind long hours, I say go for it. You can definitely make a lot of money. If that's what's important to you.

    I don't love the officel life, but I prefer it over trade-like work by far. I'd rather use brain-like skills than wrecking my body. Just my experience. Don't get me wrong, the best tradesmen have a lot of skill, smarts, and experience. Just not something I want to tie myself to for life. Officel life/experience can put me just about in any career.

    A good friend of mine gave up the electrician lifestyle, same as me giving up tradie like work and we returned to college. Both graduated with no debt. He became an engineer and he prefers the solid officel wage and still goes out in the field making more money cuz he has that real-world experience. He can probably work just about anywhere at this point. Same as me. It's a route I definitely recommend and it's worked out for both of us.
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    Originally Posted by John L View Post
    How do we know that there’s no OT included in that? Regardless the pay for an experienced electrician working for a company is definitely higher than that. In my area experienced plumbers, electricians etc make between 75k and 110k-ish. Then there’s all of the jr mechanics, helpers etc who make less than that. Average pay certainly is not six figures.

    Well then getting ready to pay for people college degrees buttercup.
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    Anybody here a mechanic? What type? Is it still worth it to become a mechanic? How hard is it on your body compared to other trades?
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    Originally Posted by vwdsg2468 View Post
    Anybody here a mechanic? What type? Is it still worth it to become a mechanic? How hard is it on your body compared to other trades?
    Mechanic is a trash field unless you're working for BMW/Merc or some supercar dealership. You also have no freedom of movement.
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    Originally Posted by Mike1991 View Post
    Anything in elevators makes lots of money. But an operator is a pleb job. On a busy skyrise job they barely even get to eat lunch. It's basically their job to keep materials moving to the floors non stop. No time for breaks

    Plus they are very prone to getting laid off depending on how busy things are

    Better to actually have a skill which ensures employment
    Same thing with high voltage work/lineman. It’s actually a little less skilled than inside but it’s More dangerous and badass cowboy work.

    It’s really tough to get on with a utility company to do anything like line work or substation work unless you have family who works there.

    The pay is no joke , at SDG&E you start at 30/$hr for line assistant (pre apprentice) and 28/$hr for electricians assistant ( you either branch of into meter , instrumentation or substation) and you get raises every year for 3 years. They guarantee a chance within 3 years to interview with the lineman’s union for an indentured apprenticeship and the money stacks up very very fast.

    After 3-4 Years for the apprenticeship you make over 60/$hr in any classification and anything after 40 hours is double time , plus storm call money for lineman.

    The pay on the high voltage side is insane. All the work in California is union too , you won’t be laid off like the wireman down in ibew 569 (San Diego).
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    Originally Posted by dogorman7 View Post
    Same thing with high voltage work/lineman. It’s actually a little less skilled than inside but it’s More dangerous and badass cowboy work.

    It’s really tough to get on with a utility company to do anything like line work or substation work unless you have family who works there.

    The pay is no joke , at SDG&E you start at 30/$hr for line assistant (pre apprentice) and 28/$hr for electricians assistant ( you either branch of into meter , instrumentation or substation) and you get raises every year for 3 years. They guarantee a chance within 3 years to interview with the lineman’s union for an indentured apprenticeship and the money stacks up very very fast.

    After 3-4 Years for the apprenticeship you make over 60/$hr in any classification and anything after 40 hours is double time , plus storm call money for lineman.

    The pay on the high voltage side is insane. All the work in California is union too , you won’t be laid off like the wireman down in ibew 569 (San Diego).
    Sounds like a dream if you start at 18. Live at home & stack money like crazy. Wish I would've done the trades.

    Anybody that starts in the trades are far, far ahead of college folks. College people don't catch up till 30s.
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    Originally Posted by vwdsg2468 View Post
    Anybody here a mechanic? What type? Is it still worth it to become a mechanic? How hard is it on your body compared to other trades?
    Become a master mechanic. They're usually in good shape even when old and make a lot of money. You'll always be in demand. You'll have to work your ass off, but when nothing is broken or needs maintenance you get to chill and get paid for it. Or open your own shop and pay other people to work for you.
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    Originally Posted by MikeLowrrrey View Post
    Well then getting ready to pay for people college degrees buttercup.
    Never said people shouldn’t enter the trades. You can make a good living. It’s just the misc e-stating that is inaccurate
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    Originally Posted by John L View Post
    Never said people shouldn’t enter the trades. You can make a good living. It’s just the misc e-stating that is inaccurate
    I hate being rude, but you are so wrong. I make more money than most college people. Sure, when I was learning, I didn't make as much as I do now, just like college, you learn more each year as you progress. It's very easy to make over 100k a year in a trade.
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    Originally Posted by John L View Post
    Never said people shouldn’t enter the trades. You can make a good living. It’s just the misc e-stating that is inaccurate

    What are these e stats specifically that you keep referring to? Not to mention, how are you trying to infer that most officecels on here aren't tremendously e stating?
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    Originally Posted by John L View Post
    Never said people shouldn’t enter the trades. You can make a good living. It’s just the misc e-stating that is inaccurate
    This a prime example of cubecel cope.
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    Originally Posted by John L View Post
    Never said people shouldn’t enter the trades. You can make a good living. It’s just the misc e-stating that is inaccurate
    From having been around it, having heard about it from other people with no incentive to lie.. i actually think the axiom they dont do well is more passed around

    Which is why you may see the responses you do. E.g. people think they dont do well, when they do

    When i look up the national avg's they dont really make sense to me from the people i know

    BUT, again, i will agree there are stupid people in trades. Just as there are in any profession. Not like everyone is a super excellent officel or doctor tbh
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    Graduted my machinist class in Quebec in 2014. i was 30. Out of 12 only 5 of us made it. I barely applied myself, most of it was boring except for the programming part which was pretty fun. i need a challenge or youve lost me.

    I pretty much only did it for something to do. ive always been good at math and mechanical stuff but it never really turned my crank. as soon as i got my diploma i basically went back to making minimum wage on the family farm. i like the farm and the life style. I dont really care that much about the money i could have been making.

    Saw a guy from my class a few years later driving a brand new car, hed just bought a house too.

    I was driving around in my beater but i wasnt jealous at all. i was doing what i liked to do. i had enough money, i had a girl i loved.

    Its not over rated at all. to answer your question. i may go back but its not for me now
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