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    Single parent hood not a big cause of black people committing more crime, acting out?

    https://phys.org/news/2020-01-single...ect-black.html

    Been discussing why a lot of black people act the way they do with a few friends, (whether it’s looting, killing white people, carjacking Muslims immigrants or robbing and beating up old Asian women) some of them hardcore libs. This type of behavior is likely present in all races but just seems way more prevalent amongst blacks. I’ve never heard of two white teens lighting a random black dude on fire, at least not since the heydays of kkk.

    I tell em black kids need more parent figures to teach em what’s wrong and right. So one of my lib friends sent me the above article.

    Thoughts on this. Arguments against this professor? I know she’s probably not objective at all but would be nice to hear legitimate arguments against her points.
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    Single parent homes and poor parenting skills are most likely the the leading causes of the crime and other issues facing the black community.

    Combine with that an incredibly toxic culture and its a recipe for disaster. Rap music, movies, tv shows, etc that glorify violence, selling drugs, pimping hos, etc. No positive role models reinforcing the need for a good education, good financial habits, getting a good job, etc. A culture that pressures you to have designer clothes, expensive sneakers, jewelry, a foreign car with big rims, etc. Having expensive haircuts and always looking 'fresh'. Already lack of opportunity for good jobs in these low income areas....


    For a young kid growing up in the ghetto your only two glamorous options for a legitimate life are if you can become a pro athlete or a rapper. If you aren't genetically gifted for those. At a certain point kids are just pressured to 'get money'. And that typically involves either selling drugs or committing robberies. No other options on the table for some kids really. Most of them that turn to crime have 0 direction or structure and end up just going with the flow with the crowd their hanging out with.


    Its a repetitive cycle. When I have contact with kids/teens in that situation I typically encourage them to join the military. GTFO of the hood/bad environment. Get a job/life skills. Get an education paid for by the government. Etc. IMO its the best option for kids with potential that haven't been deeply rooted in crime by the time they are 16-17.
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    a lot of it is culture and household situations imo, i think in many instances one leads to the other in a cascading effect. married black households have way less poverty than single-parent. but you also can't force that through an isolated policy as there are other factors to that.

    you can blame socio-economic stressors but it still doesn't account for the fact that other minority groups and white people commit less crimes all around. you can also say that single parent households are part of the reason for socio-economic stressors. you're probably going to live in a chitty neighbourhood if you are a single parent likely on welfare with a child if baby daddy gone and nowhere to be found. or if you don't even know who the father is.
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    From the reason link. Still all boils down to how they grow up.

    But having this version of MAOA gene does not predestine a guy to a life of ultraviolence. I as reported a while back, research in New Zealand found a big contribution comes from the environment in which MAOA low activity carriers grow up. If such males are reared in good homes with no abuse, they are no more likely to commit crimes than males who have the higher activity (low crime) version of the MAOA gene.
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    Originally Posted by sooby View Post
    a lot of it is culture and household situations imo, i think in many instances one leads to the other in a cascading effect. married black households have way less poverty than single-parent. but you also can't force that through an isolated policy as there are other factors to that.

    you can blame socio-economic stressors but it still doesn't account for the fact that other minority groups and white people commit less crimes all around. you can also say that single parent households are part of the reason for socio-economic stressors. you're probably going to live in a chitty neighbourhood if you are a single parent likely on welfare with a child if baby daddy gone and nowhere to be found. or if you don't even know who the father is.
    I’ve had some Republicans tell me that even when whites and latinos are poorer, they still commit overall less crime than blacks. I can’t seem to find legitimate data on this but I’d venture to bet it is true.
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    Step 1 introduce welfare, section 8, food stamps and other forms of entitlements and ensure black and brown people get them more often.

    Step 2 make these populations feel dependent on these entitlements.

    Step 3 watch as government checks replace fathers in these communities.

    Step 4 as the communities crumble, as any would with over 70% single-parent households, blame white privilege and racism so nobody questions the actual reason.

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    So she is saying that while most other races suffer in single parent homes, blacks make sh*tty choices regardless of whether 2 parents or one.
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    She doesn’t really explain the research, only what she interprets the research to mean. She says that it isn’t as much of a factor for black kids because even with two parents in the house they’re still poor. She also doesn’t list what metrics she used or how they’re weighted. Basically, all she does is say” even with two parents they’re still 2-3 times more likely to be poor” and then proposes nothing but socialist policies to fix the problems as she interprets them. As far as education and avoiding prison is concerned, the black family and citizens were much better off before the war on poverty and subsidized single parenthood. So her proposal is to double down on all of those policies, which seems backwards.
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    Originally Posted by sooby View Post
    a lot of it is culture and household situations imo, i think in many instances one leads to the other in a cascading effect. married black households have way less poverty than single-parent. but you also can't force that through an isolated policy as there are other factors to that.

    you can blame socio-economic stressors but it still doesn't account for the fact that other minority groups and white people commit less crimes all around. you can also say that single parent households are part of the reason for socio-economic stressors. you're probably going to live in a chitty neighbourhood if you are a single parent likely on welfare with a child if baby daddy gone and nowhere to be found. or if you don't even know who the father is.


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    Some of the problems that come to mind with the article are less to do about the family structure she mentions than with the lack of resources she brings for schooling in black neighborhoods. With the family argument, she is a little bit vague I thought. The two parents being present can be helpful as she brings up but more can be helpful. I think many would agree with that.

    With schooling, a great amount of resources are spent on inner city schools. We have some of the most expensive government run schools in the western world. I think in New York around $25,000.00 a year is spent per student in the inner cites. In DC in largely black schools around $22,000 per student a spent. Similar can be seen in Maryland, and the city of Baltimore. These are schools that are largely failing black and hispanic students. Their test scores are horrible. More money for schools and teachers unions is not likely going to help that issue.

    Something pointed out by Thomas Sowell is that school choice for black students can be important. Charter Schools in particular have been shown to have had great success at teaching black and hispanic students. Charter schools are government funded schools that are typically found in inner city areas, with most of the students being black and hispanic. Sadly the Democrat party is against school choice and against Charter schools. One of Sowell's articles can be viewed here.

    "Thomas Sowell: The Moral Bankruptcy Of Charter School Opponents"

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    As for black poverty, crime, and family structure, Walter Williams was frequently writing and talking about those issue. Some of his writings ~

    https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/09/...g-not-slavery/

    .....Is that supposed to be a delayed response to the legacy of slavery?

    The bottom line is that the black family was stronger the first 100 years after slavery than during what will be the second 100 years.

    At one time, almost all black families were poor, regardless of whether one or both parents were present. Today roughly 30 percent of blacks are poor.

    However, two-parent black families are rarely poor. Only 8 percent of black married-couple families live in poverty. Among black families in which both the husband and wife work full time, the poverty rate is under 5 percent. Poverty in black families headed by single women is 37 percent.

    The undeniable truth is that neither slavery nor Jim Crow nor the harshest racism has decimated the black family the way the welfare state has.

    The black family structure is not the only retrogression suffered by blacks in the age of racial enlightenment. ....



    "The Black Community and Crime"

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    ....The FBI reported that the total number of homicides in 2015 was 15,696. Blacks were about 52 percent of homicide victims. That means about 8,100 black lives were ended violently, and over 90 percent of the time, the perpetrator was another black. Listening to the news media and the Black Lives Matter movement, one would think that black deaths at the hands of police are the major problem. It turns out that in 2015, police across the nation shot and killed 986 people. Of that number, 495 were white (50 percent), 258 were black (26 percent) and 172 Hispanic (17 percent). A study of 2,699 fatal police killings between 2013 and 2015, conducted by John R. Lott Jr. and Carlisle E. Moody of the Crime Prevention Research Center, demonstrates that the odds of a black suspect's being killed by a black police officer were consistently greater than a black suspect's getting killed by a white officer. Politicians, race hustlers and the news media keep such studies under wraps because these studies don't help their narrative about racist cops.
    The homicide victim is not the only victim, whether he is a criminal or not, for there are mourning loved ones. No one ever fully recovers from having a son, daughter, husband, mother or father murdered. Murder is not the only crime that takes a heavy toll on the black community. Blacks are disproportionately represented as victims in every category of violent crime -- e.g., forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault.

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    Today's level of lawlessness and insecurity in many black communities is a relatively new phenomenon. In the 1930s, '40s and '50s, people didn't bar their windows. Doors were often left unlocked. People didn't go to bed with the sounds of gunshots. What changed everything was the liberal vision that blamed crime on poverty and racial discrimination. Academic liberals and hustling politicians told us that to deal with crime, we had to deal with those "root causes." Plus, courts began granting criminals new rights that caused murder and other violent crime rates to skyrocket. The liberals' argument ignores the fact that there was far greater civility in black neighborhoods at a time when there was far greater poverty and discrimination.

    The presence of criminals, having driven many businesses out, forces residents to bear the costs of shopping outside their neighborhoods. Fearing robberies, taxi drivers -- including black drivers -- often refuse to do home pickups in black neighborhoods and frequently pass up black customers hailing them. Plus, there's the insult associated with not being able to receive pizza or other deliveries on the same terms as people in other neighborhoods.

    In low-crime neighborhoods, FedEx, UPS and other delivery companies routinely leave packages that contain valuable merchandise on a doorstep if no one is at home. That saves the expense of redelivery or recipients from having to go pick up the packages. In low-crime communities, supermarket managers may leave plants, fertilizer and other home and garden items outdoors, often unattended and overnight. They display merchandise at entryways and exits. Where there is less honesty, supermarkets cannot use all the space that they lease, and hence they are less profitable. In high-crime neighborhoods, delivery companies leaving packages at the door and supermarkets leaving goods outside unattended would be equivalent to economic suicide.

    Politicians who call for law and order are often viewed negatively, but poor people are the most dependent on law and order. In the face of high crime or social disorder, wealthier people can afford to purchase alarm systems, buy guard dogs, hire guards and, if things get too bad, move to a gated community. These options are not available to poor people. The only protection they have is an orderly society.

    Ultimately, the solution to high crime rests with black people. Given the current political environment, it doesn't pay a black or white politician to take those steps necessary to crack down on lawlessness in black communities.

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    Walter Williams: Crime comes at a high cost for black communities

    https://www.pilotonline.com/opinion/...t7e-story.html

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    ....Many make the erroneous assumption that black people don't care about crime. But black people strongly disapprove of the day-to-day violence that's all too common in their communities. What compounds that problem is a deep mistrust of police in poor black neighborhoods.

    This distrust, along with fear of reprisals by black criminals, causes an atmosphere of noncooperation with the police. It creates the “stop snitching” principle. This principle of snitches being worse than criminals themselves only exacerbates the crime problem in black communities by giving aid and comfort to the true enemies of the community — those who prey on the community and have little fear of being brought to justice. In some cities, less than 10% of murderers are ever charged.

    For decades, the problems of blacks could be laid at the feet of racial discrimination. Our ancestors started a civil rights struggle and won. Today, the most devastating problems of blacks are entirely self-inflicted such as high illegitimacy, family breakdown and unsafe communities. These problems have little to do with civil rights. But as long as blacks buy into the notion that white racism is the source of their problems, the solutions will be elusive forever.

    Walter E. Williams is a professor of economics at George Mason University and a columnist for Creators Content Syndicate.
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    From the reason link. Still all boils down to how they grow up.
    Its probably not a "binary issue". There may be more than one factor. Plenty of kids grow up in bad homes but don't become criminals. If your read it the MAOA theory makes a lot of sense.
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    done looking for excuses for these people. the state of their lives is their fault and their fault alone. fuk them
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    Do they go on road trips and vacations with their families like the white suburban families do?
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    Do they go on road trips and vacations with their families like the white suburban families do?
    Only when they go loot, commit crime etc.
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    One parent households are the main reason we see staggeringly more black crime. There's a direct causation with single parent households for each race/ethnicity and crime rates we see. Same goes for poverty vs. household wealth. Single motherhood is the norm among the black population, so there are cultural and social adaptions within black communities that make the black crime not as bad as it would be with such staggering numbers of single mothers. They tend to get a helping hand from outside their families more as well.
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    Originally Posted by EdwardTheGreat View Post
    So she is saying that while most other races suffer in single parent homes, blacks make sh*tty choices regardless of whether 2 parents or one.
    This.

    OP. Your professor is a racist tard. We are all humans and skin color doesn’t make a fatherless household less good for one race but better for another.

    An underlying trend in all races and violence and overall bad decision making is fatherless households.
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    So i think it goes back to the way their brains are strucutred, you could argue that single parent households dont provide the kid with a control or discipline, it could also be traced back to slavery, as slaves were trained to follow orders, now there is no one to call the orders and they go and create havoc.
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    Doesnt matter if it is or not. It's part of the average black guys ego to not be a real father.

    They perceive being a basic dad as feminine and submissive in the lizard brain.

    So it's an unfixable problem. Why be a dad when you can bang a different ghetto ho every week
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    Neighborhood and the black hood culture makes a big difference. Someone I know is a great example. She and her husband split when their kids were still little. They had them all pretty quickly. He spent some time with the kids, but rarely. Still all the kids were honor roll students (and got called Oreos by kids in school), and super nice. Age ~16 is when the neighborhood and their friends from school started taking over. All of her sons were in prison by age 18. One is doing life. Her daughter had trade school plans after high school but instead became a stripper........at parties, mostly motels. Let's be honest, we know what that means. The neighborhood absorbed what I know were good kids.
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    Originally Posted by JRMoore82 View Post
    This.

    OP. Your professor is a racist tard. We are all humans and skin color doesn’t make a fatherless household less good for one race but better for another.

    An underlying trend in all races and violence and overall bad decision making is fatherless households.
    Yeah. Most of these black “sociology” professors are obviously racist and probably hate white people (or any non blacks) and just use their academic position to push stupid leftist narratives. This country is ****eddd.
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    Can’t argue with the data. The data points to single-parenthood being the single biggest factor to accurately predicting that a kid will fail later in life.

    Explain that away.
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    Jacked up family + thug culture + anti-education culture.

    Imagine being raised by a single mom in the ghetto and having your peer group attack you if you try to do well in school and don't join the local gang.

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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    Jacked up family + thug culture + anti-education culture.

    Imagine being raised by a single mom in the ghetto and having your peer group attack you if you try to do well in school and don't join the local gang.

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    I read the article, and the author is dodging the completely obvious to "structural disadvantages" (aka racism).

    This is without doubt a cultural issue. BET/BLM promoting single parenting, get rich quick - dollaz/bling bling, calling blacks trying to be successful oreos and uncle toms.

    Like others have said, blacks were more successful pre-LBJ. Infact they were the most successful wealth accumulating group in history in any country pre LBJ. Once Lindon B Johnson introduced incentives for being lazy and victims it all changed.

    Asians and even Black Caribbeans (who have faced the exact same challenges as african americans) have proved that hard work and positive cultural influences can move you up the wealth ladder and easily overcome these difficult starts.

    Everyone comes to America because it was the land of opportunity.

    The whole issue is literally outlined in White Men Cant Jump.
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