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    Originally Posted by adimare View Post
    Where does the slippery slope start? Should we never have allowed interracial marriage on the basis that it was going to inevitably lead to perverts using it as an argument to bang their kids?
    for me, I would say it was the state performing marriages. We should have kept marriage in the church only and let it slowly die out.
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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    Good question and I don't have a good answer. So you either adhere to some moral basis from somewhere (such as Christianity) or you just keep sliding toward greater degeneracy (relative to previously held moral/ethnical standards)

    If you want to try to remove religion from the discussion and make science the arbiter then you have to consider things like human development and what actions could damage someone mentally and/or physically.

    If you take that approach ****philia, incest, and bestiality all would face scrutiny.
    I don't buy that. If you look at child abuse specifically, it has been steadily decreasing throughout the years, so I don't think it's true that we're inevitably sliding towards accepting it.
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    I mean really, if people wanna do that jerry springer chit, it's kinda hard to legislate it away. All you can really do is deny them marriage licenses.
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    This was a major debating point used in the 80's when discussing gay marriage. In arguments FOR gay marriage, you always heard "why do you care what 2 consenting adults do?"

    In high school, I started replying with "are you ok with a brother and sister fukking then?" to which was always said "eww, no, wtf is wrong with you? That's disgusting" I would then say "why do you care what 2 consenting adults do?" LMAO, debate over.

    This isn't about condoning incest, it's about removing the most logical argument for "why do you care what 2 consenting adults do?" The gay lefties (redundant, I know) can sense that everyone has had enough of wokeness and the forcing of gay acceptance in media and will start pushing back on their butt-fukking brady bunch lifestyles.
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    Cousins who have never met wind up dating and get married before finding out they are related.

    Should they be forced to dissolve the marriage even if they don't want to?
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    Originally Posted by tng83 View Post
    Cousins who have never met wind up dating and get married before finding out they are related.

    Should they be forced to dissolve the marriage even if they don't want to?
    Anybody else here starting to think that somebody ITT married their cousin ?
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    Originally Posted by tng83 View Post
    Cousins who have never met wind up dating and get married before finding out they are related.

    Should they be forced to dissolve the marriage even if they don't want to?
    uh, yes.

    One of my neighbors is Portuguese, her brother married their cousin. They are all strong, healthy, good looking people. The offspring this marriage has produced is 3 kids with various deformities, health issues and mental problems. It is sad and stupid.
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    Originally Posted by MMeadows11 View Post
    Anybody else here starting to think that somebody ITT married their cousin ?
    Because you couldn't possibly care about freedom otherwise. Derp.
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    Originally Posted by EdwardTheGreat View Post
    This was a major debating point used in the 80's when discussing gay marriage. In arguments FOR gay marriage, you always heard "why do you care what 2 consenting adults do?"

    In high school, I started replying with "are you ok with a brother and sister fukking then?" to which was always said "eww, no, wtf is wrong with you? That's disgusting" I would then say "why do you care what 2 consenting adults do?" LMAO, debate over.

    This isn't about condoning incest, it's about removing the most logical argument for "why do you care what 2 consenting adults do?" The gay lefties (redundant, I know) can sense that everyone has had enough of wokeness and the forcing of gay acceptance in media and will start pushing back on their butt-fukking brady bunch lifestyles.
    While the idea of having sex with a family member is nasty as fuk to me (so is banging another dude), I don't care if two random people fuk, get married, etc. Why should I care if two total strangers are together and are family. Its gross, but who's the victim? The whole degeneracy and societal decay thing... If I saw two random ass people in public, I wouldn't know they were related.

    I am one of the "who cares what 2 consenting adults do" category, even if its gross to me.
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    Originally Posted by tng83 View Post
    Because you couldn't possibly care about freedom otherwise. Derp.
    Don't get mad at me bro, I'm not the one criticizing you for marrying, and/or banging your cousin. Have at it - I haven't said a word.















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    Originally Posted by MMeadows11 View Post
    Don't get mad at me bro, I'm not the one criticizing you for marrying, and/or banging your cousin. Have at it - I haven't said a word.















    You vile, incestuous, inbred, cousin-banging, sister-raping,back-woods, Deliverance hillbilly.
    I legit laughed out loud. Oh lawd.

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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    Good question and I don't have a good answer. So you either adhere to some moral basis from somewhere (such as Christianity) or you just keep sliding toward greater degeneracy (relative to previously held moral/ethnical standards)

    If you want to try to remove religion from the discussion and make science the arbiter then you have to consider things like human development and what actions could damage someone mentally and/or physically.

    If you take that approach ****philia, incest, and bestiality all would face scrutiny.
    Call me crazy but what about just using common sense? That's why I always hated the "slippery slope" concept when it came to marriage. Like a normal person can't tell the difference between a father marrying his daughter vs a white woman marrying a black man? Or a sensible person can't tell the difference between two women marrying each other vs a man marrying his goat? Seems like common sense to me.
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    Originally Posted by Cleveland33 View Post
    for me, I would say it was the state performing marriages. We should have kept marriage in the church only and let it slowly die out.
    How would that work though? Given that the state provides benefits to married couples, how could it be left to a variety of different religions rather than the government?
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    Originally Posted by Audioslave View Post
    How would that work though? Given that the state provides benefits to married couples, how could it be left to a variety of different religions rather than the government?
    Stop giving government benefits to people just because they're married?

    Hell if people actually cared about "the sanctity of marriage" they'd actually support removing financial incentive/benefits to marriage. Then people would be getting married because they actually cared about each other, and not because it was helpful come tax time.
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    Originally Posted by Audioslave View Post
    How would that work though? Given that the state provides benefits to married couples, how could it be left to a variety of different religions rather than the government?
    This:

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    Stop giving government benefits to people just because they're married?

    Hell if people actually cared about "the sanctity of marriage" they'd actually support removing financial incentive/benefits to marriage. Then people would be getting married because they actually cared about each other, and not because it was helpful come tax time.
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    Originally Posted by Cleveland33 View Post
    This:
    No.

    You tax the things you want less of.

    You lower the tax burden and/or give tax money to the things you want more of.



    The idea behind reducing tax burdens on married couples and married couples with children is based in increasing the number of married couples and children.

    Married couples are generally more productive and pay more taxes over the long run so it could be viewed as an investment focused on long term returns.

    Tax breaks are given to "green" power but more taxes are imposed on oil because "we" want more "green" power and less oil.
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    Originally Posted by JMath View Post
    Stop giving government benefits to people just because they're married?

    Hell if people actually cared about "the sanctity of marriage" they'd actually support removing financial incentive/benefits to marriage. Then people would be getting married because they actually cared about each other, and not because it was helpful come tax time.
    In all honesty, that sounds great.... but keep on dreaming.
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    Originally Posted by Abzu View Post
    No.

    You tax the things you want less of.

    You lower the tax burden and/or give tax money to the things you want more of.



    The idea behind reducing tax burdens on married couples and married couples with children is based in increasing the number of married couples and children.

    Married couples are generally more productive and pay more taxes over the long run so it could be viewed as an investment focused on long term returns.

    Tax breaks are given to electric power but more taxes are imposed on oil because "we" want more electric power and less oil.
    the taxes are not really relevant to my argument
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    Can you imagine the level of genetic horror shows that would be wandering the streets if this became fully legal?

    "Yeah Terry from accounting keeps picking up papers with her one baby arm then just drooling at me, management said 2 drips means yes 1 drip means no but what do I do when it just comes out like a waterfall?"
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    The genetic mutation link is too strong a probability.

    So, no.

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    Originally Posted by Cleveland33 View Post
    the taxes are not really relevant to my argument
    It kind of is. Because if marriage is left to religions then the religions would be deciding which couples can or cannot get tax breaks.
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    Originally Posted by JMath View Post
    While the idea of having sex with a family member is nasty as fuk to me (so is banging another dude), I don't care if two random people fuk, get married, etc. Why should I care if two total strangers are together and are family. Its gross, but who's the victim? The whole degeneracy and societal decay thing... If I saw two random ass people in public, I wouldn't know they were related.

    I am one of the "who cares what 2 consenting adults do" category, even if its gross to me.


    Same. The likelyhood of genetic defects is marginally higher than 2 different races having kids. If both relatives carry the exact same recessive gene they'd have to have 4 kids to statistically ensure that 1 would develop the illness.

    The core of this argument is should it be illegal or legal for 2 consenting adults to engage in sex and/or marriage. Sorry I'm on the side of liberty. Theres no law stopping 2 Downs sufferers from having children. 2 Type 1 diabetics can have children. 2 people who have beaten cancer 3 times each can have children. Those scenarios offer as much or higher likelyhood of defects/illness.

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    Originally Posted by neondevil View Post
    Can you imagine the level of genetic horror shows that would be wandering the streets if this became fully legal?

    "Yeah Terry from accounting keeps picking up papers with her one baby arm then just drooling at me, management said 2 drips means yes 1 drip means no but what do I do when it just comes out like a waterfall?"
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    Originally Posted by tng83 View Post
    Same. The likelyhood of genetic defects is marginally higher than 2 different races having kids. If both relatives carry the exact same recessive gene they'd have to have 4 kids to statistically ensure that 1 would develop the illness.

    The core of this argument is should it be illegal or legal for 2 consenting adults to engage in sex and/or marriage. Sorry I'm on the side of liberty. Theres no law stopping 2 Downs sufferers from having children. 2 Type 1 diabetics can have children. 2 people who have beaten cancer 3 times each can have children. Those scenarios offer as much or higher likelyhood of defects/illness.

    You should be free to be a fukin wierdo.
    Are you sure about this? You're saying the chances of passing on disease between a brother and sister is only marginally higher than people of 2 different gene pools?
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    How can anybody supporting this?

    Lol@ two consensual adults bullchit. You are a sick fucc too if your stand is I don't care or it doesn't affect me.
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    Originally Posted by tng83 View Post
    Argumentum ad absurdum
    ^^ Banging his sister.













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    Originally Posted by tng83 View Post
    Argumentum ad absurdum
    You keep saying this, yet have no statistical data to back up your argument.

    Unless the relatives are 2-3+ times removed, there WILL be genetic problems.

    You have to be trolling.
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