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    Can you substitute some runny scrambled eggs for the raw eggs?
    Can you substitute some shredded cheese for the half and half?
    Can you substitute some bacon (cooked, not raw) for the protein powder?

    Scrambled eggs with cheese and bacon sounds better than raw eggs and some other stuff.

    You can put it on pieces of toast if you are not doing Keto.

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    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    Can you substitute some runny scrambled eggs for the raw eggs?
    Can you substitute some shredded cheese for the half and half?
    Can you substitute some bacon (cooked, not raw) for the protein powder?

    Scrambled eggs with cheese and bacon sounds better than raw eggs and some other stuff.

    You can put it on pieces of toast if you are not doing Keto.
    If you did it would no longer be Vince Gironda’s hormone precursor shake

    Anyone can experiment with what they’d like.

    I’d read his articles on why he makes specific suggestions. His book unleashing the wild physique would be a good read but at 200-1000 dollars for a copy depending on condition it’s pricey.

    People pay a lot because Vince’s info is GOLD
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    Originally Posted by Mrpb View Post
    It's usually because opinions vary on what entails 'perfect bloodwork'. It's likely that their blood work would be better without the 4 eggs. Consuming several eggs per day increased LDL somewhat in most people. In some people a lot.

    It's not everyone's goal to keep LDL as low as possible. However, if you want to keep your risk for CVD as low as possible it is probably a good idea.
    I have been going by this review by Heisman2, https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...1253981&page=1, which basically suggests eggs are probably fine, and that polyunsaturated fat/saturated fat ratio matters for the effect of dietary cholesterol on blood lipids. Is that review still up to date? Coincidentally I think Japan has the highest egg consumpion in the world, very low incidence of heart disease and eat little saturated fat relative to polyunsaturated fat.

    Also one thing I thought about is that LDL is a biomarker so although it's predictive of heart disease it's not perfect. So eggs may increase LDL, but the fact that eggs are correlated with a biomarker that is correlated with heart disease is not itself evidence of a link between eggs (or dietary cholesterol) and heart disease. To argue that we would need to establish a direct link. A personal anecdote: In my early 20s I had sky high levels of beta-HCG, but there was no tumor!

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    Originally Posted by EiFit91 View Post
    I have been going by this review by Heisman2, https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...1253981&page=1, which basically suggests eggs are probably fine, and that polyunsaturated fat/saturated fat ratio matters for the effect of dietary cholesterol on blood lipids. Is that review still up to date? Coincidentally I think Japan has the highest egg consumpion in the world, very low incidence of heart disease and eat little saturated fat relative to polyunsaturated fat.

    Also one thing I thought about is that LDL is a biomarker so although it's predictive of heart disease it's not perfect. So eggs may increase LDL, but the fact that eggs are correlated with a biomarker that is correlated with heart disease is not itself evidence of a link between eggs (or dietary cholesterol) and heart disease. To argue that we would need to establish a direct link. A personal anecdote: In my early 20s I had sky high levels of beta-HCG, but there was no tumor!
    There is certainly some truth to this, but it's hard to control for the nuances of individual tendencies toward atherosclerosis, heart disease in general, stroke, etc.

    I always like to think of the relationship between LDL and heart attacks by analogizing them with Gasoline and Matches/fire:

    If you filled a room with gasoline and an un-lit match... then there is literally ZERO risk of a fire. The issue happens when someone strikes the match.

    Similar to LDL... you could have SKY HIGH LDL.. but if you never incur any kind of arterial damage wherein the LDL lodges, you won't have a heart attack.

    It's all about risk. Having high LDL doesn't guarantee a heart attack, it just makes it way way more likely.
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    There are so many food options out there, I personally don't rely daily on anything for nutrition that's the frequent subject of health debates (red/processed meat, eggs, fried food, etc.). I just eat all those things on occasion and in moderation. Saves me from reading a bunch of studies on either side.

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    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    Are you Vince Gironda?
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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    There are so many food options out there, I personally don't rely daily on anything for nutrition that's the frequent subject of health debates (red/processed meat, eggs, fried food, etc.). I just eat all those things on occasion and in moderation. Saves me from reading a bunch of studies on either side.
    yes the study thing is way over rated

    i doubt the really big guys hitting the iron over the years would sit and read studies, it's always the pencil necks trying to prove a point
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    Originally Posted by ManwittaPlan View Post
    Maybe
    I realized he had passed away before that last post. Maybe you are the reincarnation of him?

    I swear my dog was reincarnated. He would chase rabbits and sit under my truck. A few years after he died there would be a rabbit under my truck sitting the way he did.

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    and on his headstone....."He was the fittest dead guy I ever knew".....oh the irony........
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    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    I realized he had passed away before that last post. Maybe you are the reincarnation of him?

    I swear my dog was reincarnated. He would chase rabbits and sit under my truck. A few years after he died there would be a rabbit under my truck sitting the way he did.
    ha ha! i like vince's style, no bs, direct and his methods worked. if you were enhanced or wanted to stay natural he had a plan for you. he was way ahead of his time.

    maybe the rabbit was trying to tell you something....like catch me and eat me! (rabbits are very lean meat)
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    thats gonna be a no for me dog

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    and on his headstone....."He was the fittest dead guy I ever knew".....oh the irony........
    you know what i wonder what it really does say on there, i thought it would say iron guru

    he died right before his 80th birthday, after his son died he lost his will to live it was a sad ending.
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    thats gonna be a no for me dog
    lol yeah man, judging by your pic you don't need hormone precursor anything!
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    Originally Posted by ManwittaPlan View Post
    lol yeah man, judging by your pic you don't need hormone precursor anything!
    Yeah cell tech is a hell of a drug
    The power of carbs compels me!

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    Yeah cell tech is a hell of a drug
    Dude looks amazing!!!
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Yeah cell tech is a hell of a drug
    Im natty bro.

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    Originally Posted by ManwittaPlan View Post
    lol yeah man, judging by your pic you don't need hormone precursor anything!
    I see a lot of the old pics from Vince’s gym on Instagram. Would have been sick to lift there back in the day

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    Originally Posted by fishnbrah View Post
    Im natty bro.
    5-4, 168lb, 15% BF.


    Come on man
    The power of carbs compels me!

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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    5-4, 168lb, 15% BF.


    Come on man
    Thicc boi

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    Originally Posted by fishnbrah View Post
    Thicc boi
    That much is true
    The power of carbs compels me!

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    I see this thread has moved onto to a new level........let me get the popcorn ready
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    Ha ha!! I try to stay on subject but my threads seem to bring all the boys to the yard....last couple pages the big boys.

    They realize the value of Vince Gironda’s hormone precursor shake!!!

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    Originally Posted by ManwittaPlan View Post
    Ha ha!! I try to stay on subject
    A man, a plan, a canal, Panama! That's an anagram. (that means it reads the same way when read backwards)

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    Originally Posted by EiFit91 View Post
    I have been going by this review by Heisman2, https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...1253981&page=1, which basically suggests eggs are probably fine, and that polyunsaturated fat/saturated fat ratio matters for the effect of dietary cholesterol on blood lipids. Is that review still up to date?
    I posted two newer systematic reviews up thread. That thread you linked by Heisman2 mentions "Dietary cholesterol does impact cholesterol levels, on average 2.2 mg/dL per 100mg/day. There are hyperresponders (likely ~20% of the population) that will have an increase of ~3.9 mg/dL while the rest will be on the order of 1.5 mg/dL. ". I haven't checked those numbers personally, I prefer to go by own blood work.

    As for replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat: that's always a good idea (assuming you want lower CVD risk) regardless of how many eggs you eat.

    If you do it while eating several eggs every day it may help mitigate the problem. If you do it without eating eggs LDL would most likely end up lower.

    About the link between LDL and CVD, from what I have read the link is pretty strong, see for example https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/a...4/2313/5735221

    There's a small percentage of scientists that disagree but I'm not swayed by their arguments.

    As for eggs & CVD risk, this is from 2019:
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2728487
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    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    A man, a plan, a canal, Panama! That's an anagram. (that means it reads the same way when read backwards)
    HA HA!!!!!!!!!

    I’m so using your line....ironically I visit panama every couple years.

    They use some Girondaesque types of breakfasts over there

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    Originally Posted by Mrpb View Post
    As for eggs & CVD risk, this is from 2019:
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2728487
    Found this from 2020, https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/articl...417?login=true...

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    Originally Posted by EiFit91 View Post
    2021 anyone?

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    Originally Posted by EiFit91 View Post
    From this study:

    "Our findings indicate that moderate egg intake (1 egg/d) does not increase the risk of CVD or mortality among those with or without a history of CVD or diabetes. "


    That's ONE egg a day....

    Gotta read the whole thing dude ;o)
    The power of carbs compels me!

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