Vince gironda’s hormone precursor shake

[XinXom]

I think the more modern version of this would just be drinking a carton of egg whites, I remember the more plates more dates guy recommending bringing in a carton to work and drinking it in the break room admittedly as someone working with a bunch of older programmers the optics of this seemed comical to me XD . Not really my thing but seems to still do what OP is trying to do (get in more calories and protein) without the potential health risks.

[ManwittaPlan]

If there's one theme spending lots of time on this forum over the past couple of years that I've seen as an increasingly valuable concept, is the importance of protecting long-term health.

The classical understanding of health was to protect and maintain it, remedy being for the most part taken as evidence of prior shortcomings. I think we would all do well to have more of that Hippocratic view.

ManWittaplan, have you read Arnold's Encyclopedia? I have, and even if it was just ghost-written (mentions nothing of his own steroid use and says precious little about them at all, for instance), even Arnold's own how-to from the 90s recommends caution against overdoing cholesterol, and to derive most daily protein from fish, poultry, and legumes/nuts.

I understand.

You’ll notice I never mentioned anything for how long to do that, reading the article will give recommendations. I’m offering another view to someone who wants to try an alternative method or something different.

I don’t disagree with many of the people here, in fact I agree with most of what they say minus the etched in stone of dieting/eating plans only being done one way.

I’m a firm believer in metabolic flexibility, the usual eat the same food every day for the rest of your life mentality doesn’t work for me. I like options.

Part of the title of the thread is “hormone precursor”, that’s what it’s made for. You don’t do that if your goals are different.

I’ll finish my reply with not once have I ever said do keto permanently or eat high cholesterol foods forever, there’s a time and place for everything.

[ManwittaPlan]

I think the more modern version of this would just be drinking a carton of egg whites, I remember the more plates more dates guy recommending bringing in a carton to work and drinking it in the break room admittedly as someone working with a bunch of older programmers the optics of this seemed comical to me XD . Not really my thing but seems to still do what OP is trying to do (get in more calories and protein) without the potential health risks.

Big fan of Derek

[Ghawk21]

I think the more modern version of this would just be drinking a carton of egg whites, I remember the more plates more dates guy recommending bringing in a carton to work and drinking it in the break room admittedly as someone working with a bunch of older programmers the optics of this seemed comical to me XD . Not really my thing but seems to still do what OP is trying to do (get in more calories and protein) without the potential health risks.

I dunno if these guys just did weird chit because protein powder used to taste so awful but with modern protein tasting amazing in 100s of flavors I just don't understand why you would op for weird ****.

[Garage Rat]

It's not based on science and basically is a high protein/fat type protein drink.
Im not saying it didn't help some people along with other "supplements"but to effect a hormone increase it may be little to unlikely.
Protein intake after training throughout the day can help with muscle repair and recovery so vines drink could help.
I would recommend pasteurized egg whites and or eggs and not raw.
There is some science based info that if you can get a short intense training session in ,30-40 minutes no more it can stimulate some hormone increase.
Im sure it would be different though from person to person.
Supplements of today have a greater bio activity level,like whey and casein for muscle building but I'm not sure about hormone release.

[ManwittaPlan]

It's not based on science and basically is a high protein/fat type protein drink.
Im not saying it didn't help some people along with other "supplements"but to effect a hormone increase it may be little to unlikely.
Protein intake after training throughout the day can help with muscle repair and recovery so vines drink could help.
I would recommend pasteurized egg whites and or eggs and not raw.
There is some science based info that if you can get a short intense training session in ,30-40 minutes no more it can stimulate some hormone increase.
Im sure it would be different though from person to person.
Supplements of today have a greater bio activity level,like whey and casein for muscle building but I'm not sure about hormone release.

I had a big group ripping on t boosters in the supplement forum. As soon as I presented 9 months worth of consistent before and after labs no one seems to bash that booster I used.

With the steak and eggs diet I had followed I had seen a drastic decrease in bodyfat AND gain strength in all my exercises (in record time for me). I was also able to use the carb loading to my advantage for going in a lower weight class while competing in bjj.

Think of macros and diets like a tool. Use the right tool for a specific job. To sit and call mark sisson, Mauro Dipasquale, gironda, lyle McDonald, dom d’agostno etc wrong for not promoting a mainstream diet is foolish.

[AdamWW]

I had a big group ripping on t boosters in the supplement forum. As soon as I presented 9 months worth of consistent before and after labs no one seems to bash that booster I used.

With the steak and eggs diet I had followed I had seen a drastic decrease in bodyfat AND gain strength in all my exercises (in record time for me). I was also able to use the carb loading to my advantage for going in a lower weight class while competing in bjj.

Think of macros and diets like a tool. Use the right tool for a specific job. To sit and call mark sisson, Mauro Dipasquale, gironda, lyle McDonald, dom d’agostno etc wrong for not promoting a mainstream diet is foolish.

What do you mean ‘mainstream’ diet? Do you mean ones that are based on repeated studies across large sample sizes?

[EliKoehn]

I think Garage Rat knows what he's doing. :/

[snailsrus]

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And let's not forget how his health turned out even with that:





And nowadays, he doesn't even follow that kind of extreme diet he used to... he completely overhauled his diet because of health concerns.

isnt he vegan now?

I understand.

You’ll notice I never mentioned anything for how long to do that, reading the article will give recommendations. I’m offering another view to someone who wants to try an alternative method or something different.

I don’t disagree with many of the people here, in fact I agree with most of what they say minus the etched in stone of dieting/eating plans only being done one way.

I’m a firm believer in metabolic flexibility, the usual eat the same food every day for the rest of your life mentality doesn’t work for me. I like options.

Part of the title of the thread is “hormone precursor”, that’s what it’s made for. You don’t do that if your goals are different.

I’ll finish my reply with not once have I ever said do keto permanently or eat high cholesterol foods forever, there’s a time and place for everything.

Also op you got the recipe wrong
Upon looking up egg-milk protein I found this,
VINCE'S SPECIAL PROTEIN DRINK

Try this recipe created by Vince Gironda for adding muscle mass:


“8-12 oz of half & half

1 scoop of NSP Milk & Egg Protein

1-2 raw fertile eggs

1 banana


Mix the above into a pudding-like consistency and sip it between your meals or after your workout.

You can also drink 60 minutes before you go to bed in order to supply your body with ample protein so you can build muscle whilst you sleep.”


1-2 eggs not 12

[paulinkansas]

1-2 eggs not 12

Smoking gun right there ^^^

[snailsrus]

Smoking gun right there ^^^

also the egg milk powder uses egg whites

[air2fakie]

12 fertile quail eggs.

[paulinkansas]

12 fertile quail eggs.

Quail eggs were going to be in my Food Face Off tomorrow.

[air2fakie]

Quail eggs were going to be in my Food Face Off tomorrow.

And they still shall be.

[AdamWW]

I suggest a single plum, floating in perfume, served in a man’s hat

[desslok]

I suggest a single plum, floating in perfume, served in a man’s hat

Meh, i’d rather have a Flaming Homer

[ManwittaPlan]

What do you mean ‘mainstream’ diet? Do you mean ones that are based on repeated studies across large sample sizes?

mainstream as in the usda food guide pyramid

main focus being on breads, cereal and pasta.

[ManwittaPlan]

I think Garage Rat knows what he's doing. :/

if it works for him terrific, not saying it wont

[ManwittaPlan]

Quail eggs were going to be in my Food Face Off tomorrow.

i love eggs

quail, chicken, fish, etc

if you include caviar or roe i'd appreciate it

[ManwittaPlan]

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isnt he vegan now?



Also op you got the recipe wrong
Upon looking up egg-milk protein I found this,
VINCE'S SPECIAL PROTEIN DRINK

Try this recipe created by Vince Gironda for adding muscle mass:


“8-12 oz of half & half

1 scoop of NSP Milk & Egg Protein

1-2 raw fertile eggs

1 banana


Mix the above into a pudding-like consistency and sip it between your meals or after your workout.

You can also drink 60 minutes before you go to bed in order to supply your body with ample protein so you can build muscle whilst you sleep.”


1-2 eggs not 12

there are a few variations depending on your goal, vince wasn't narrow minded he was an explorer and pioneer.

if you want to know more you can read unleashing the wild physique

[desslok]

I once got a pretty bad case of Girondia when i didn’t boil the water good enough while camping

[cmacken]

I once got a pretty bad case of Girondia when i didn’t boil the water good enough while camping

I had Girondia once but a prescribed ointment cleared it up

[snailsrus]

I had Girondia once but a prescribed ointment cleared it up

hopefully it wasn’t the antibiotic resistant strain lol

[AdamWW]

there are a few variations depending on your goal, vince wasn't narrow minded he was an explorer and pioneer.

if you want to know more you can read unleashing the wild physique

Why do you keep using these silly terms like 'explorer and pioneer'?

I could argue Hitler was a pioneer in plenty of things... still not a good dude.

[MinisterOfLust]

Great shake if you want high LDL and salmonella poisoning.

What hard gainers need is a sustained caloric surplus, not dumb ideas from a muscle magazine from the 80s.

Lol

I always get sick when I use to drink raw eggs

[ManwittaPlan]

Lol

I always get sick when I use to drink raw eggs

never had an issue but anything's possible

[AdamWW]

i knew you kept checking me out, still beyond flattered i get to live in your head for free

it's estimated that one in 30,000 raw eggs can be contaminated with salmonella so you're good to go!

If you never returned these forums the community as a whole would be a better place.

[adamsz]

wow this thread is like a blast from the past of the good old nutrition section days...

[ManwittaPlan]

If you never returned these forums the community as a whole would be a better place.

11k reps in two months

[ManwittaPlan]

wow this thread is like a blast from the past of the good old nutrition section days...

ha ha it's nice sometimes to stir up a little excitement to a forum that has the appeal of plain oatmeal