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04-16-2021, 07:35 AM #121
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04-16-2021, 07:52 AM #122
No...in response to your eggs/saturated fat comment I wrote how I had checked blood lipids (and had an annual wellness check) after 3 months of doing the steak and eggs diet. I also mentioned my c reactive protein had improved. Had never done before and after labs for Vince Gironda’s hormone precursor shake.
When I used to do the shakes I was aiming to put on weight (in my 20’s now 40’s), the steak and eggs diet is to lose bodyfat while maintaining muscle averaging a dozen eggs a day, lots of butter and red meat as my staple. Even before a t booster, being well into my 40s I was still able to maintain blood t levels near 1000 on less than average (for me) sleep.
And yes this is metabolic flexibility you’re talking about because you’re making a comparison on a different way of eating. Mark Sisson elaborates on this on his site in a very easy and simple to understand format.Kid Covid
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04-16-2021, 07:55 AM #123
The article you're linking to is recommending a max of 1 egg per day.
It's pretty clear what eggs do to lipids.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32635569/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29111915/
What was your LDL number?
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04-16-2021, 07:57 AM #124
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04-16-2021, 08:11 AM #125
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04-16-2021, 08:17 AM #126
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04-16-2021, 08:40 AM #127
This thread is entertaining.
In all seriousness though, the difference between "daily consumption of eggs is healthy" and "drink a dozen daily" aside, if the daily recommendation is one per day, why is it that so many people consume 3-4 almost every day and end up with perfectly healthy bloodwork?
Sounds like the recommendation generalizes to account for people with sensitivity.
Seriously, ONE egg being 63% of the RDA for cholesterol? Not arguing with the stat, but many people who maintain balanced, nutritious diets are still most likely going to exceed that considerably, even if they literally only had one egg daily besides everything else. And if you're only going to have one egg for fear of overdoing cholesterol, it doesn't make so much sense from a macronutrional point of view to consume more than half of your RDA for 5g fat and 6g protein, or thereabout.
I think if you're trying to stay within the RDA it's probably better to avoid eggs altogether and then get plenty of protein instead with the allocated cholesterol.
While totally going ham with cholesterol is another thing entirely, I personally take the position of not being concerned with eating a few eggs every day and am going to happily keep doing it. If that ends up being a problem, oh well. I have no known history of heart disease in my family and it seems to be no issue for so many.Bench: 345
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04-16-2021, 08:45 AM #128
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One of the biggest issues with studies on eggs or dietary cholesterol in general is a lack of true baseline numbers.
Essentially everyone - except vegans - already consumes cholesterol on a daily basis, usually between 100 and 500mg or so.
That being the case, almost everyone has already slightly elevated their levels somewhat AND the standard American already has a poor diet anyway. So really, it’s hard to isolate the effect on a highly nutritious diet with zero eggs or cholesterol after adding in 1-3 per day.
I’m not of the opinion that having a couple eggs is going to harm everyone at all, but would it HELP them? Probably no also... and certainly 12 eggs mixed with half and half will be a problem for 99%+ of people."When I die, I hope it's early in the morning so I don't have to go to work that day for no reason"
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04-16-2021, 08:47 AM #129
It's usually because opinions vary on what entails 'perfect bloodwork'. It's likely that their blood work would be better without the 4 eggs. Consuming several eggs per day increased LDL somewhat in most people. In some people a lot.
It's not everyone's goal to keep LDL as low as possible. However, if you want to keep your risk for CVD as low as possible it is probably a good idea.
Probably because of the calorie deficit as Adam mentioned.
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04-16-2021, 08:51 AM #130
This. Studies are great but the reality is people are different and its more complicated and nothing is as good as just testing yourself. I've seen testimony of people doubling their LDL in a few weeks eating as few as 3 eggs a day and I have seen people who eat insane amounts of eggs with perfect LDL and HDL numbers. I think its a bit disingenuous and hyperbolic to compare eating eggs to smoking which has zero health benefits. That being said drinking 12 eggs daily would have a very high chance of spiking LDL and I would recommend anyone doing something like that go get bloods done. The brass tacs seems to be that some of the best foods for recovery and muscle growth like red meat and eggs may not be the optimal choice for long term heart health. I don't think the OP is suggesting people eat 12 eggs a day everyday forever and I doubt drinking one of these is worse than going out for a night of binge drinking. While study's trump anecdote I don't think they trump personal anecdote IE eating more eggs and doing bloods before and after. As with most things I think moderation is probably good in fact why that other study is nice. 2-4 eggs a few times a week for breakfast and your probably A ok. The real issue I see with this shake is I think it would taste terrible XD. So I will continue to enjoy my eggs when I want them and will not try this shake purely because it sounds like it tastes nasty.
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04-16-2021, 09:01 AM #131Kid Covid
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04-16-2021, 09:11 AM #132
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Every food choice has it's trade-offs
Not everything I consume is helpful for my health either... it's all a balancing act.
The most eggs i've consumed regularly was 3 a day for 3 months.
My LDL went from about 75 to 103... is that dangerous? I don't know, but 75 is definitely better than 103.
My HDL did increase as well, but studies have shown HDL does not have a strong protective effect on the negative issues with LDL.Last edited by AdamWW; 04-16-2021 at 09:19 AM.
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04-16-2021, 09:50 AM #133
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04-16-2021, 10:20 AM #134
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What do grains have to do with it?
Whole grains are shown to lower LDL, and I consume very very little added sugar. Most the sugar I get is from berries or sweet potato + vegetables... maybe 10g of added sugar a day on average, and a LOT of fiber.
I was consuming the same diet outside the addition of eggs... it was a well controlled self experiment. I also included about 1g of n3 per day.
I also went on a 100% vegan diet for almost three years. My LDL got as low as 70. Eggs seem to be the largest impact on my LDL levels, whereas meats don’t seem to do much at all. Triglycerides seem to stay basically the same regardless of my diet... always 50-80."When I die, I hope it's early in the morning so I don't have to go to work that day for no reason"
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04-16-2021, 10:31 AM #135
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04-16-2021, 10:36 AM #136
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04-16-2021, 10:41 AM #137
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04-16-2021, 10:56 AM #138
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04-16-2021, 11:03 AM #139
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04-16-2021, 11:14 AM #140
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What does that have to do with me tho? You specifically said it sounds like I don't deal well with certain carbs...
From the study:
"In CD and gluten-sensitive individuals, adverse reactions to the intake of wheat, rye and barley are clinically apparent; however, it is important to gain better insights on the effects of the consumption of these cereal grains in other groups of patients and in healthy individuals."
That study isn't even about LDL.."When I die, I hope it's early in the morning so I don't have to go to work that day for no reason"
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04-16-2021, 11:23 AM #141
It least it isn't about India.
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04-16-2021, 11:24 AM #142
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04-16-2021, 11:28 AM #144
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04-16-2021, 11:36 AM #145
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04-16-2021, 11:43 AM #146
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04-16-2021, 11:44 AM #147
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You yourself have deviated plenty of times so it's fair to say the original theme no longer stands alone.
That being said, let's look at that again:
"For the “before” picture weakling or anyone needing a kickstart to girly man hormone levels.
Try this and see if you get bigger and feel better.
12 raw fertile eggs, 1/3 cup of milk-egg protein powder, 12 ounces of half-and-half and a banana (skip banana if on low carb or ketogenic diet, its only for taste).
Sip between meals throughout the day.
Way more info can be found online, posted this in case people haven’t heard of the Iron Guru"
Do you have specific information that suggests:
- 12 eggs + 12oz of half and half etc will help with hormone levels
- This will make someone 'feel better'"When I die, I hope it's early in the morning so I don't have to go to work that day for no reason"
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04-16-2021, 11:53 AM #148
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