I learned something new...I used to think only the amount of volume you do per muscle group is what's important. But that doesn't make any sense because stress is stress. If I do an upper day and then do an hour of HIT cardio afterwards or on my rest day, it's gonna take a toll
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04-12-2021, 02:54 PM #31"The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." -Sigmund Freud
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04-12-2021, 03:07 PM #32
Technically my upper days only have more volume due to more muscle groups but if you compare chest and back to legs alone, it's the same amount of volume. I threw in some machine crunches on my lower day. Figured some ab work is going to be better than no ab work. I see no point in doing shrugs and forearm exercises when you've got rope hammer curls, rows, face pulls, lateral raises, db press.
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04-12-2021, 08:29 PM #34
How did the circus guys from the 1800s get so jacked, and more so than today's vast majority of natty lifters? Bobby Pandour born in 1876 is one of my top idols
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04-12-2021, 08:41 PM #36
Maybe it's because I just hardly believe many of today's physiques that I see except for a just a few. And then there's just something about old black & white photos. Eugene Sandow and Bobby Pandour for example look like absolute monsters IMO. But I look mostly at 1800s early 1900s physiques just to be safe and have the right expectations
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I did have a winky face in there but I'd got wiped on edit and I seem to have not drawn a manual ;-p was a very obviously facetious comment...
But splitting a routine certainly is the first thing most people do when they can't program well and Manage fatigue. 'I can't recover and/or this takes me too to do with my modifications, so I've split like this instead'
I stand by statement that ppl is absolutely ****ing miserable to run
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i don't think he's exactly wrong though lol ... the idea of your typical body part splits came from faulty knowledge at the time and misconceptions of how muscle building and recovery worked, and was being pushed in magazines since the american intrigue with Arnold and bodybuilding in general. perhaps it was best for mr olympia competitors, but I think we all know the creatine impacts muscle building and recovery capacities hence why such splits may perhaps have been better for them. and people took their words as gospel. basically the age of ignorance still persists and these same myths are still perpetuated to this day, despite internet. not gonna say it was all wrong, as the saying goes they are either decades ahead or decades behind the times in regards to certain "truths".
hell, people still think Arnold and Ronnie Coleman are natty lol. some things deserve to die, I think one of these being the obsession with splits coming from those prominent magazines and bodybuilders.positivity brah crew
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04-15-2021, 04:28 PM #43
Serious question, don't wanna make a new thread for it.
Since total volume is more important than the type of split, how does total volume for a specific muscle or muscle group compare to the total volume for everything else including said muscle group? I'll use the chest as an example. Does adequate chest volume but way too much volume for everything else equate to way too much chest volume and adequate volume for everything else as far as chest gains/benching progress goes? Better yet, to what extent does volume for everything else impact progress for an individual lift or muscle group?"The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." -Sigmund Freud
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04-15-2021, 06:50 PM #44
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04-15-2021, 06:53 PM #45
Hahhaa ok fair enough. It just seemed so out of bounds.
I don’t disagree some people split volume needlessly; however, I shall stand by any split works and the differences for a casual lifter will be negligible over the long haul if they actually are consistent.
I’m just indifferent to splits and just think people should run what they enjoy within reason, such as, ensuring adequate volume for all body parts.the latest and greatest in training...or whatever.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=177744461&page=3
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04-15-2021, 07:12 PM #48
I see. But what would get me is the fact that muscle damage is localized even though recovery is a whole body thing so I never really bothered with looking at it as a systemically. Because for example if you do like 30 hard sets a week for your chest and nothing else at all for any other muscles, that too destroys progress for chest alone, no? If it's not the systemic fatigue that gets you, it's the amount of muscle damage. I mean, what would really happen if someone only hit their chest for an insane amount of weekly volume? Would they make better chest gains because they're reducing systemic fatigue from hitting anything else?
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04-15-2021, 07:32 PM #49
Well not necessarily.
If allllll you did for exercise was chest and literally nothing else you’d probably adapt and make progress.
5 sets a day of varying reps and intensity wouldn’t really kill you the way you think it will.
Edit; at some point you get diminishing returns, but technically to a point you’ll make more gains.Last edited by Filmbuff81; 04-15-2021 at 07:49 PM.
the latest and greatest in training...or whatever.
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04-16-2021, 01:26 AM #56
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Weird ****** xD jk
But its all preference.. Can't hate on opinions that don't effect me..
I just can't see the appeal at all...
All of this!
Our bodies don't run on the gregorian calendar! They run much closer to by hours.
We only program and recommend weekly frequency because that's how it's easiest to work around real life. And that some people prefer set days
Definitely Stretch your "week" I'd that fits better..FMH crew - Couch.
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04-16-2021, 05:08 AM #57
Volume is an individual thing. What may seem “high” or “too much” for one person could be another person’s warmup.
High volume and low volume could mean different things to different lifters.
Likewise what is achievable naturally is going to vary for each individual as there are various factors that come into play.
Use the amount of volume that produces the results you specifically are looking for. What someone else is doing for volume doesn’t apply to you.- Your mindset influences your outcome. It's time to take out phrases like "I can't" or "I don't have time" and replace them with phrases like "I will make the time" and "I will keep working at it until I find a way that works." Success starts with the right mindset and believing in yourself and your dreams.
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04-16-2021, 04:24 PM #58
Problem is that the rest of life runs on a 7 day schedule :/
I could in theory run a 6 ppl with 2 rest days per “week” but then everything would perpetually be pushed back. MTW(rest)FSS(rest) -> TWT(rest)SSM(rest) W.... etc. etc. So the rest of my life is inevitably impacted by the instability. In general I’m a person who exists better with a static schedule.
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