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    Best pre-workout for strong focus and energy?

    Hi,

    I have been out of the pre-workout loop for a long time. First one I used was Craze at the time (never tried jack3d), and it was the strongest one I ever had. Very good energy and focus, I could just go to gym and lift like a machine even if it was 2 hours.

    Next and last one was Hyde which wasn't that great compared to Craze.

    So now what do you guys recommend to have similar effects in the gym? Coffee barely wakes me up, it doesn't give me a strong kick like Craze did.



    Thanks in advance.
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    C4 Ultimate will do the trick.
    The strongest of their product line
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    C4 Ultimate will do the trick.
    The strongest of their product line
    Thanks bro

    Also OP many of the ingredients from a long time ago have been removed from pwos, hard to compare to those old "exotic" stimulants.
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    What do you guys think about "EXCELSIOR PWO"? I saw on YT that its effects are similar to Craze.
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    Is it still possible to find it?

    Everywhere shows out of stock.

    The video I saw was a few months old.
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    Yikes.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/craze...meth_n_4100119

    A sports supplement marketed as giving “unrelenting energy and focus” has been found to contain an “emerging and potentially harmful designer stimulant” similar to methamphetamine.

    “Craze,” a popular pre-workout supplement sold at GNC and other retailers, was pulled from Walmart’s online store following U.S. Anti-Doping Agency tests that found it contained amphetamine-like substances, according to USA Today.
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    you're chasing a dream if you're looking for craze like effects
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    Yes OG craze apparently had illegal things inside.

    But Excelsior anybody is using that here?
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    You're in Canada so EC could be an option.
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    Dark energy is another runner up with Excelsior...
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    I'm a fan of phenylpiracetam and sulbutiamine but tolerance is an issue and they really don't help with strength at all as standalone ingredients
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    Yes OG craze apparently had illegal things inside.

    But Excelsior anybody is using that here?
    Oh this one?

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    Originally Posted by Lachdanan View Post
    Yes OG craze apparently had illegal things inside.

    But Excelsior anybody is using that here?
    Based on the reviews I've read and seen I'm pretty sure they're is probably something in Excelsior that's not labeled on the ingredient panel. Whether it's a legal or illegal substance that's just my opinion. Take it at your own risk.

    Dark Energy didn't do much for me at all and was a waste of money in my experience. For others it's the second coming of Pres.
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    Oh this one?

    where did you buy it brah
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    Ec?
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    Aging myself here, but I used to like taking SuperPump250. I know there were some ingredients in a lot of these PWOs that were deemed harmful, but I miss the "vascular" feeling I'd get during a workout where you could feel your heartbeat with every rep. Some people have decided to just turn to black coffee for their pre-workout and sometimes I start to wonder if I should just go with coffee to avoid that next edict that comes down claiming an ingredient in this current crop is deemed "dangerous". I remember how amped I used to get with chocolate covered coffee beans, so I'm wondering if maybe I should just go that route.

    As for the current crop, I like Amino Energy, although 6 scoops seems like a lot (even though the scoop is small). Pre-kaged didn't seem to do anything but give me the jitters. C4 Ultimate isn't bad, but I don't think that any of the current crop of PWOs will work like the previous generations did. On the plus side, none of these PWOs would give you that "Super Dump" effect.
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    Aging myself here, but I used to like taking SuperPump250. I know there were some ingredients in a lot of these PWOs that were deemed harmful, but I miss the "vascular" feeling I'd get during a workout where you could feel your heartbeat with every rep. Some people have decided to just turn to black coffee for their pre-workout and sometimes I start to wonder if I should just go with coffee to avoid that next edict that comes down claiming an ingredient in this current crop is deemed "dangerous". I remember how amped I used to get with chocolate covered coffee beans, so I'm wondering if maybe I should just go that route.

    As for the current crop, I like Amino Energy, although 6 scoops seems like a lot (even though the scoop is small). Pre-kaged didn't seem to do anything but give me the jitters. C4 Ultimate isn't bad, but I don't think that any of the current crop of PWOs will work like the previous generations did. On the plus side, none of these PWOs would give you that "Super Dump" effect.
    I remember those days! Not much compares now!

    I think SuperPump makes a product called SuperPump aggression now. It's got an ok profile but at 400mg caffeine it seems pretty stim heavy.
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    White Warped is a great product for strong clean energy.

    No crash either
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    I'm pretty sure your wrong, but care to elaborate...

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    Originally Posted by powercage View Post
    White Warped is a great product for strong clean energy.

    No crash either
    true about the energy, false about the crash...unless the sample was a bad batch

    oh, and don't neg me for posting my view this time around...reps should know better, i can teach you if you need help
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    supps-central seems to have stocks of excelsior, anyone ordered from there?
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