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    You better be crossing both sets of fingers while typing that. I dont care how, I just hope it done did be done.

    and sending positive vibes down to my American brothers and sisters; hoping for a peaceful outcome in this consequential matter.

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    I think if there's no verdict by the end of tomorrow, that that would be very, very bad news for the prosecution. That indicates at least one person has strong views against a guilty clean sweep. And I struggle to see how civil discussion about the evidence is going to sway any stubborn minds after that trial. If someone walked out of that trial strongly leaning not guilty, there's not much the other jurors are going to be able to say to change that person's mind.
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    I think if there's no verdict by the end of tomorrow, that that would be very, very bad news for the prosecution. That indicates at least one person has strong views against a guilty clean sweep. And I struggle to see how civil discussion about the evidence is going to sway any stubborn minds after that trial. If someone walked out of that trial strongly leaning not guilty, there's not much the other jurors are going to be able to say to change that person's mind.
    well that killed my buzz.

    We just gotta freakin' hope they come back tomorrow.
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    Originally Posted by Oceanside View Post
    I can't see the clean sweep...

    the 2nd degree homicide is basically a death as a result of a separate felony..
    Dude, what's the best possible outcome?

    That question is of course open to anyone who wants to respond.
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    Originally Posted by Oceanside View Post
    sounds to me like 3rd degree murder applies ..

    ""For this count, jurors must find Chauvin caused Floyd's death through an action that was "eminently dangerous" and carried out with a reckless disregard for and conscious indifference to the loss of life.""
    I dig. Will that be enough to hold off riots u reckon? I freakin hope so.
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    Originally Posted by Oceanside View Post
    I think regardless of the outcome there's gonna be protests/riots to some extent...

    it's in the air and on the news...


    it's like a Phil Collins song
    damn. I know you're gonna freakin cringe and wanna punch me more, but I wish everyone would just dance more. Dude, when was the last time you danced like no-one was watching? You know what I mean, man. I mean cut loose and let go.
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    I think if there's no verdict by the end of tomorrow, that that would be very, very bad news for the prosecution. That indicates at least one person has strong views against a guilty clean sweep. And I struggle to see how civil discussion about the evidence is going to sway any stubborn minds after that trial. If someone walked out of that trial strongly leaning not guilty, there's not much the other jurors are going to be able to say to change that person's mind.
    They don't have to strongly lean "not guilty," they just have to strongly believe there is reasonable doubt.
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    Originally Posted by ChazWood View Post
    damn. I know you're gonna freakin cringe and wanna punch me more, but I wish everyone would just dance more. Dude, when was the last time you danced like no-one was watching? You know what I mean, man. I mean cut loose and let go.
    it's been too long chaz...

    it's been waay too long !
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    Originally Posted by Oceanside View Post
    sounds to me like 3rd degree murder applies ..

    ""For this count, jurors must find Chauvin caused Floyd's death through an action that was "eminently dangerous" and carried out with a reckless disregard for and conscious indifference to the loss of life.""

    As I understand the jury instructions, the conduct that is alleged for the underlying felony of assault on the M2 unintentional charge and the conduct alleged for depraved mind on the M3 charge are essentially the same.

    I don't think it's likely the jury splits its position on M2 and M3 based on an understanding of the razor-thin differences between the two charges. If they split, l would assume it would because they erroneously believing there is a higher standard of culpability with the specific variant of M2 charged, or they believe M2 is a more severe charge and a way to nullify more severe consequences.
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    Originally Posted by Oceanside View Post
    it's been too long chaz...

    it's been waay too long !
    hehe, I hear u, but what have you got to lose?

    Anyways, food for thought, or not.
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    As I understand the jury instructions, the conduct that is alleged for the underlying felony of assault on the M2 unintentional charge and the conduct alleged for depraved mind on the M3 charge are essentially the same.

    I don't think it's likely the jury splits its position on M2 and M3 based on an understanding of the razor-thin differences between the two charges. If they split, l would assume it would because they erroneously believing there is a higher standard of culpability with the specific variant of M2 charged, or they believe M2 is a more severe charge and a way to nullify more severe consequences.
    To me it's sounded like M2 is more about some sort of premeditation to a felony that resulted in death, while M3 was pretty much your garden variety manslaughter...

    I don't really know what the legal definition of intent is regarding murder, but if there's a delay in a verdict, I kind of suspect the M2 charge will probably be the sticking point .
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    Originally Posted by Oceanside View Post
    To me it's sounded like M2 is more about some sort of premeditation to a felony that resulted in death, while M3 was pretty much your garden variety manslaughter...

    I don't really know what the legal definition of intent is regarding murder, but if there's a delay in a verdict, I kind of suspect the M2 charge will probably be the sticking point .

    Proving premeditation or intent is not necessary. He is charged with Murder 2 Unintentional. Specifically, the State alleges he accidentally caused Floyd's death while committing the crime of Assault in the Third Degree.
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    Proving premeditation or intent is not necessary. He is charged with Murder 2 Unintentional. Specifically, the State alleges he accidentally caused Floyd's death while committing the crime of Assault in the Third Degree.
    you might be right, i really never actually explored the charges in depth until tonight

    WHAT'S SECOND-DEGREE UNINTENTIONAL MURDER?

    It's also called felony murder. To prove this count, prosecutors had to show that Chauvin killed Floyd while committing or trying to commit a felony — in this case, third-degree assault. They didn't have to prove Chauvin intended to kill Floyd, only that he intended to apply unlawful force that caused bodily harm.
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    There will be a mistrial declared if he is found guilty and it will all fall on Mad Maxines shoulders, the judge admonished her words and threats and wished she would keep her mouth shut.
    The judge denied the defense's motion for mistrial on the grounds that, per jury instructions, the jurors shouldn't be watching news and, therefore, shouldn't be influenced by Waters' statement.

    That aside, the judge did say that Waters' statement was irresponsible and acknowledged that it may come up on appeal.
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    There will be a mistrial declared if he is found guilty and it will all fall on Mad Maxines shoulders, the judge admonished her words and threats and wished she would keep her mouth shut.
    Waters (in her position) is dangerous to a free thinking democracy...

    To even think that she would put herself (physically) in a protest of any kind is scary , never mind the stupid **** that might come out of he mouth while she was standing there with a camera in her face...


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    The judge denied the defense's motion for mistrial on the grounds that, per jury instructions, the jurors shouldn't be watching news and, therefore, shouldn't be influenced by Waters' statement.

    That aside, the judge did say that Waters' statement was irresponsible and acknowledged that it may come up on appeal.
    He denied that motion at that time but told the defense to submit it in writing and he pretty much agreed it was going to affect the outcome. This verdict will be tossed out & a new trial will happen.
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    He denied that motion at that time but told the defense to submit it in writing and he pretty much agreed it was going to affect the outcome. This verdict will be tossed out & a new trial will happen.
    and you could tell he was pissed and disgusted.

    why the jury wasn't sequestered is totally beyond me...it was 4 freaking weeks for the trial of the decade..

    it's almost like the judge was inviting all of this !
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    Originally Posted by Oceanside View Post
    and you could tell he was pissed and disgusted.

    why the jury wasn't sequestered is totally beyond me...it was 4 freaking weeks for the trial of the decade..

    it's almost like the judge was inviting all of this !
    Can you legally do that? Never heard of that.

    Also with smart phones I dunno how a juror is supposed to avoid news of the trial. This isnt fukin 1999 where you could just not watch the news or pick up a paper.
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    Originally Posted by adamsz View Post
    Can you legally do that? Never heard of that.

    Also with smart phones I dunno how a juror is supposed to avoid news of the trial. This isnt fukin 1999 where you could just not watch the news or pick up a paper.
    the jury for the OJ Simpson trial in 95 was sequestered for 265 days but that was for a trial that was supposed to last for 6 months...

    the word we got at the beginning of all this was that it was gonna last (potentially) 4 weeks...

    it was a little less...

    given the potential of magnitude/repercussions...... seems to me like a brain fart by the judge
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    Originally Posted by Oceanside View Post
    and you could tell he was pissed and disgusted.

    why the jury wasn't sequestered is totally beyond me...it was 4 freaking weeks for the trial of the decade..

    it's almost like the judge was inviting all of this !
    I listened to that entire exchange and the judge was pissed but perhaps he planned it this way because he knew what the outcome would be?

    Originally Posted by adamsz View Post
    Can you legally do that? Never heard of that.

    Also with smart phones I dunno how a juror is supposed to avoid news of the trial. This isnt fukin 1999 where you could just not watch the news or pick up a paper.
    That was what the defense said, without being banned from their phones and whatever else there is ZERO chance the jurors don't know whats going on and who is saying what.
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    Originally Posted by Corbi View Post
    He denied that motion at that time but told the defense to submit it in writing and he pretty much agreed it was going to affect the outcome. This verdict will be tossed out & a new trial will happen.
    What I got out of his summation, it seemed clear. He said it was ultimately not very important while denying a motion for mistrial. Basically he allowed that the defense had preserved their objection for appeal, without making any comment on the merit of such an appeal. He was saying “I’m ruling this way. If you want to take it to the management and see if they want to change the way we do things then you can do that. But I’m operating within the rules as I understand them to be.” I could be wrong but that is how understood what he said.




    As far as what might happen to the city an acquittal would be bad, but would pale in comparison to what will happen if he's found guilty and then gets a reversal in appeal. If there's a "worst possible outcome" for the city of Minneapolis it, I would think it would be that.
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    As far as what might happen to the city an acquittal would be bad, but would pale in comparison to what will happen if he's found guilty and then gets a reversal in appeal. If there's a "worst possible outcome" for the city of Minneapolis it, I would think it would be that.
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    I haven't been watching this, but yesterday caught a glimpse of it, found it hilarious that the judge said the jurors "shouldn't watch the news" Does this guy think we are in the 50, 60 or 70's?? Who the fck watches the news? Information is EVERYWHERE, and in the palm of your hand-your phone....
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    Originally Posted by Corbi View Post
    There will be a mistrial declared if he is found guilty and it will all fall on Mad Maxines shoulders, the judge admonished her words and threats and wished she would keep her mouth shut.
    So much this. Agreed 100%.

    I am all for free speech.

    But if a commie like mad max exercised free speech by encouraging violence, she must be held accountable.
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    As far as what might happen to the city an acquittal would be bad, but would pale in comparison to what will happen if he's found guilty and then gets a reversal in appeal. If there's a "worst possible outcome" for the city of Minneapolis it, I would think it would be that.
    A lot of people on social media keep echoing "let's hope they get this one right for the sake of what might happen to the city/metro area". As a resident of the area, these people are so short-sighted if they believe a conviction = no violence/rioting/looting. Whatever happens--there will be an "it wasn't enough" narrative and destruction will follow.........
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