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    Calling anyone interested in a friendly strength competition for this spring/summer

    Last fall, a few of us took part in a competition/collaborative effort where we uploaded our lifts and challenged each other to greater progress. It was fun, and to the best of my knowledge all of us made improvements.

    My squat is finally out of pathetic territory but still needs a lot of work to be more than barely decent, and I especially yearn to get a deadlift over 500. In the stint last year, I got five plates over my knees but failed at the lockout... So with hard work and determination, that should not be over the horizon.

    Who wants to do something similar this spring and summer?
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Last fall, a few of us took part in a competition/collaborative effort where we uploaded our lifts and challenged each other to greater progress. It was fun, and to the best of my knowledge all of us made improvements.

    My squat is finally out of pathetic territory but still needs a lot of work to be more than barely decent, and I especially yearn to get a deadlift over 500. In the stint last year, I got five plates over my knees but failed at the lockout... So with hard work and determination, that should not be over the horizon.

    Who wants to do something similar this spring and summer?
    In.

    Have been thinking recently I need a fire under my @ss.

    What are the specs? My focus is PL but I'm open to more variety. Lately enjoying training weighted chins and OHP. Big 5 comp?
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    Originally Posted by ECGordyn View Post
    In.

    Have been thinking recently I need a fire under my @ss.

    What are the specs? My focus is PL but I'm open to more variety. Lately enjoying training weighted chins and OHP. Big 5 comp?
    We could make it more formally competitive and calculate and compare Wilks, and Big 5 sounds perfect to me. Going that route would be better for me personally, as that will force me to be sensitive to regaining the weight I've lost since then. The OHP has been on my mind a lot lately. I've stalled out at 3 plates on the bench and think moving into some new ground for presses would be the best next move in the long game. My primary goal is getting that deadlift though.

    Do you have any specific goals with a particular exercise? Big 5 comp sounds like a good comprehensive approach, in lieu of anyone having specific goals outside of that.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    We could make it more formally competitive and calculate and compare Wilks, and Big 5 sounds perfect to me. Going that route would be better for me personally, as that will force me to be sensitive to regaining the weight I've lost since then. The OHP has been on my mind a lot lately. I've stalled out at 3 plates on the bench and think moving into some new ground for presses would be the best next move in the long game. My primary goal is getting that deadlift though.

    Do you have any specific goals with a particular exercise? Big 5 comp sounds like a good comprehensive approach, in lieu of anyone having specific goals outside of that.
    I guess my goals would depend on the timeframe. 3 months, or how long? But 100 OHP single would be cool. 200 squat single, fk yeah. I'd have to think about realistic goals before committing to them.

    There are various "strength scores" we could use. Symmetricstrength.com has various measurements. Strength score, symmetry, percentages, etc.
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    Originally Posted by ECGordyn View Post
    I guess my goals would depend on the timeframe. 3 months, or how long? But 100 OHP single would be cool. 200 squat single, fk yeah. I'd have to think about realistic goals before committing to them.

    There are various "strength scores" we could use. Symmetricstrength.com has various measurements. Strength score, symmetry, percentages, etc.
    Hmm, good point. I was thinking through September. I will most likely be moving to another state shortly thereafter and it is conveniently also the last month of summer, for those who would want to change their training goals with the season. Obviously that's just a suggestion, though.

    Honestly not familiar with the other strength metrics one could use. Would they essentially vary much from what Wilks evaluates?
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Hmm, good point. I was thinking through September. I will most likely be moving to another state shortly thereafter and it is conveniently also the last month of summer, for those who would want to change their training goals with the season. Obviously that's just a suggestion, though.

    Honestly not familiar with the other strength metrics one could use. Would they essentially vary much from what Wilks evaluates?
    Wilks is only big 3, so any other lifts we add would make Wilks irrelevant. Symmetricstrength is just another objective measurement that includes multiple lifts. Take a look at the site and see what you come up with for scoring. Strength score, symmetry score, and PL total could all be factored in.

    End of Sept. is good with me. Long enough for some solid growth.
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    Originally Posted by ECGordyn View Post
    Wilks is only big 3, so any other lifts we add would make Wilks irrelevant. Symmetricstrength is just another objective measurement that includes multiple lifts. Take a look at the site and see what you come up with for scoring. Strength score, symmetry score, and PL total could all be factored in.

    End of Sept. is good with me. Long enough for some solid growth.
    That site is great, thanks for the reference. Comprehensive strength assessment, and the info is clean with multi-faceted presentation (never seen anything have a color-coded muscle chart as well as comparative graphs). I am curious how they derive some of those numbers, however. Robert Wilks of course devised a formula to which the score only functions as a coefficient. For reference, I had been using this site (https://strengthlevel.com/), however those data are self-reported.

    Despite the excellent presentation (which suits our purposes here well), if those data are also self-reported, it may skew the objectivity of posting results.

    EDIT: Found the detailed answer in the "About" section. Looks like it's directly based off of Wilks, and the breakdown is clearly explained. I like it!
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    What are the "big 5"?
    I'm in, should do better than December relative to weight as I weighed in at 172.6 this morning.
    Haven't been training press as much on my cut, so shoulders are probably my weak link right now.
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    Originally Posted by BeginnerGainz View Post
    Strength at barbell lifts?

    Meh.
    The only true way to test/compare given every machine is different. Litterally can be 300% different tension on identical loading

    Well, dumbells too I guess.
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    Nice! Do you have a specific goal?

    Originally Posted by jademonkey View Post
    What are the "big 5"?
    I'm in, should do better than December relative to weight as I weighed in at 172.6 this morning.
    Haven't been training press as much on my cut, so shoulders are probably my weak link right now.
    If my understandings right, they're
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    - Squat
    - Deadlift
    - Overhead Press
    - Bent-Over Row

    Originally Posted by MyEgoProblem View Post
    The only true way to test/compare given every machine is different. Litterally can be 300% different tension on identical loading

    Well, dumbells too I guess.
    Unless he's actually just saying he doesn't care about strength, which to me doesn't really seem consistent with being an active member of this part of the forum.
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    Unless he's actually just saying he doesn't care about strength, which to me doesn't really seem consistent with being an active member of this part of the forum.
    Based on past debates, think he doesn't care about lifting bbs/gym weights - but rather lifting "real world" objects in "real life" situations. Which is a diff, because overall bodyweight and body height/size become necessary due to the laws of physics and relative strength loses a lot of its value.
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    Originally Posted by MyEgoProblem View Post
    The only true way to test/compare given every machine is different. Litterally can be 300% different tension on identical loading

    Well, dumbells too I guess.
    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Unless he's actually just saying he doesn't care about strength, which to me doesn't really seem consistent with being an active member of this part of the forum.
    Maybe he'd rather do a dog lift comp with Paul
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    Nice! Do you have a specific goal?
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    Maybe he'd rather do a dog lift comp with Paul
    I can do kitty lifts..
    She only weights 3kg tho... So have to be reps until scratched 😂
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Nice! Do you have a specific goal?



    If my understandings right, they're
    - Bench
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    - Deadlift
    - Overhead Press
    - Bent-Over Row



    Unless he's actually just saying he doesn't care about strength, which to me doesn't really seem consistent with being an active member of this part of the forum.
    No, just don’t give 2 chits about “stength” at evenly loaded barbell lifts, strength being specificand all, having little to no carryover to moving heavy awkward things...

    Maybe why I never really found powerlifting or Olympic lifting all that interesting...

    Now if you guys start doing yoke walks, flingings kegs overhead or doing car deadlifts, then sign me up!

    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    Based on past debates, think he doesn't care about lifting bbs/gym weights - but rather lifting "real world" objects in "real life" situations. Which is a diff, because overall bodyweight and body height/size become necessary due to the laws of physics and relative strength loses a lot of its value.
    Right on the money. On spread.

    I feel like if I ever stopped doing what I do for a living, I might have to throw in some days of prowler pushing, sled pulls, and may even take Supramax up on his offer to do farmers carries.
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    strength being specificand all, having little to no carryover to moving heavy awkward things...
    What a strange notion.
    Ofc it transfers....

    Its exactly how strongmen train 80%+ of the time to compete in picking up heavy odd **** up, moving it or throwing it.

    Gotta train how u enjoy tho. No question
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    Originally Posted by jademonkey View Post
    Maybe he'd rather do a dog lift comp with Paul
    I'll get a full keg (1/6, 1/4 or 1/2 bbl) and see how many keg lifts I can do until proper form drops.
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    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    I'll get a full keg (1/6, 1/4 or 1/2 bbl) and see how many keg lifts I can do until proper form drops.

    You’re on. Oh btw....

    I got a new Wednesday route, lots of bars, including a Mariana/inn that gets 20-40 kegs a day. I’m in heaven. My old route had me working almost 8 hrs with a metric load of cases.

    Originally Posted by MyEgoProblem View Post
    What a strange notion.
    Ofc it transfers....

    Its exactly how strongmen train 80%+ of the time to compete in picking up heavy odd **** up, moving it or throwing it.

    Gotta train how u enjoy tho. No question
    Hasn’t been my experience, having done manual labor my whole adult life.
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    Originally Posted by BeginnerGainz View Post
    You’re on. Oh btw....

    I got a new Wednesday route, lots of bars, including a Mariana/inn that gets 20-40 kegs a day. I’m in heaven. My old route had me working almost 8 hrs with a metric load of cases.



    Hasn’t been my experience, having done manual labor my whole adult life.
    Must assume you just Havent reached the gym strength levels that surpasses your already accumulated 'work specific' adaptations.

    Its exactly how every strongman trains for 80%+ of their training. With the last 20% being event specific.

    I rarely do events now, but they all go up like f just training at home with a bar. Yoke, farmers, hussafel stone, loading medleys.. All improve without doing em.

    Only thing that doesn't increase is stones cos I can't get my T-Rex arms around em

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    Please keep this thread focused on Eli's group competition.

    Start other threads to discuss other topics which are of more interest to you.
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    Originally Posted by MyEgoProblem View Post
    Must assume you just Havent reached the gym strength levels that surpasses your already accumulated 'work specific' adaptations.

    Its exactly how every strongman trains for 80%+ of their training. With the last 20% being event specific.

    I rarely do events now, but they all go up like f just training at home with a bar. Yoke, farmers, hussafel stone, loading medleys.. All improve without doing em.

    Only thing that doesn't increase is stones cos I can't get my T-Rex arms around em ������

    Again. Gotta do what you enjoy how you enjoy it
    How tall are you BTW? I’ve always been curious.

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    Start other threads to discuss other topics which are of more interest to you.
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    Originally Posted by BeginnerGainz View Post
    How tall are you BTW? I’ve always been curious..
    5'11" in the AM / 5'10.5 before bed.. So I May aswell be 4'11 online.

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    Start other threads to discuss other topics which are of more interest to you.
    I'll let my self out then xD as I'm not competing.... Cutting season in 2 weeks after my meet peak is over and I'm back at work
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    Originally Posted by jademonkey View Post
    What are the "big 5"?
    I'm in, should do better than December relative to weight as I weighed in at 172.6 this morning.
    Haven't been training press as much on my cut, so shoulders are probably my weak link right now.
    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    If my understandings right, they're
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    I used the term "big 5" loosely. I meant SBD, OHP, and weighted chins. But I'll join a Big 6 that includes row.

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    - Does the bench need to be meet legal (paused)

    - Are deadlifts with straps allowed

    Just in the 1% chance I do feel up to doing this.
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    Originally Posted by BeginnerGainz View Post
    You’re on. Oh btw....

    I got a new Wednesday route, lots of bars, including a Mariana/inn that gets 20-40 kegs a day.
    Great. I'm literally up against a professional keg handler.
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    Originally Posted by Ironface View Post
    Had some q’s

    - Does the bench need to be meet legal (paused)

    - Are deadlifts with straps allowed

    Just in the 1% chance I do feel up to doing this.
    I vote paused bench and straps OK.

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    Originally Posted by jademonkey View Post
    What are the "big 5"?
    I'm in, should do better than December relative to weight as I weighed in at 172.6 this morning.
    Haven't been training press as much on my cut, so shoulders are probably my weak link right now.
    Originally Posted by Ironface View Post
    Had some q’s

    - Does the bench need to be meet legal (paused)

    - Are deadlifts with straps allowed

    Just in the 1% chance I do feel up to doing this.
    I'd vote yes for both.

    Chin rules concern me most, its really easy to do more weight/reps with horrid shoulder protracted form and I don't know how to rule around this.
    conversely good form chins tend to leave the head less over the bar than bad ones, so chin over bar tends to encourage worse than better

    I would 100% be behind a keg toss or keg carry for distance lol, but probably very difficult for most of us to train for, do and film
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