$27 million settlement to the family of George Floyd

[LWW]

I don’t know. I missed my Antifa zoom call this week so I am not sure what’s going on. I can say there is no sign of trouble in the beautiful city of Advance, NC. Been here a few days now watching kid soccer, and not a left-wing radical nut in sight.

I'm speaking of what's happening in MN, it's on the news nation, or is that fake news?

[Mark1T]

No matter what, this trial will be a politically driven, political theatre shiit show and the Main Stream Media will suck it for all it’s worth for whichever their ideological loyalties are dedicated to and ratings - ad nauseum.

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You are the guy who states that Antifia is made up I believe? I don't recall going on Antifia rants as you state above.

So, are you saying that both MN and Portland are a loose coalition of activists? Just like the Jan 6th Capital protests right?

I’ve never said it was made up. I said it was not what you think it is.

[LWW]

I’ve never said it was made up. I said it was not what you think it is.

I never said they are an existential threat though. That is a word used by the left to call white supreme type groups and "poor boyz", along with Climate change, and maybe that isn't what you think?

[x-trainer ben]

Essentially the dude was freaking out for no reason and they were very patient and tried to get him in the truck and the finally did. He was yelling "I can't breathe" over and over before anyone put hands on him and he crawled out the other side of the truck and fell on the ground. That's how he got into the situation.

The cops were not out to get this guy. They were trying their best, IMHO. He didn't leave them much choice but to use force to restrain him.

Here's the vid, start at the 8:30 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjKjaCvXdf4

Thanks anyway, evidently i am not old enough to watch such a rated R video.

[mtpockets]

Thanks anyway, evidently i am not old enough to watch such a rated R video.

Tater can't view it either




















Too short

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I'm speaking of what's happening in MN, it's on the news nation, or is that fake news?

People are taking over blocks in Minneapolis?

[7Seconds]

I never said they are an existential threat though. That is a word used by the left to call white supreme type groups and "poor boyz", along with Climate change, and maybe that isn't what you think?

And I have no idea what your point here is.

[7Seconds]

Murder requires some level of intent, no?

Otherwise it is manslaughter.

I don't think any sane person could watch that entire vid and believe there was any intent to do harm to that person, let alone kill him.

The elements of murder in the third degree in Minnesota are:

• ⁠First, the death must be proven.

• ⁠Second, the defendant caused the death of

• ⁠Third, the defendant intentional act, which caused the death of, was eminently dangerous to human beings and was performed without regard for human life. Such an act may not be specifically intended to cause death, and may not be specifically directed at the particular person whose death occurred, but it is committed in reckless or wanton manner with the knowledge that someone may be killed and with heedless disregard of that happening.

The officer’s defense appears to be that it was a department taught restraint but I am not sure department policy is going to save him when other officers on-scene were openly questioning the safety of the techniques he was using. I can’t imagine force and training expert witnesses are going to testify in this trial that he was following training by continuing to keep his knee on Floyd's neck after he stopped breathing. It also ignores that there were other safer procedures they were trained to use, and that there is a time and a place for certain techniques, which Chauvin surpassed long before he removed his knee.

[LWW]

People are taking over blocks in Minneapolis?

yes, for someone who knows so much of what's going on, it's hard to believe you don't know this? Don't take it the wrong way, but it's national news.

The same thing happened in Portland last spring.

[LWW]

And I have no idea what your point here is.

So, you ain't woke, huh?

[7Seconds]

yes, for someone who knows so much of what's going on, it's hard to believe you don't know this? Don't take it the wrong way, but it's national news.

The same thing happened in Portland last spring.

Point me towards something about it because I haven’t seen anything, spent most of the past two days watching the kid play soccer.

[7Seconds]

So, you ain't woke, huh?

Nope.

[LWW]

Point me towards something about it because I haven’t seen anything, spent most of the past two days watching the kid play soccer.

Here's a link I haven't read, but it was on the national news channel (not right wing), a reporter was told by two whites in ski masks he wasn't welcome and threatened him, one smallish man, and women.

https://concealednation.org/2020/09/...tches-allowed/

[7Seconds]

Here's a link I haven't read, but it was on the national news channel (not right wing), a reporter was told by two whites in ski masks he wasn't welcome and threatened him, one smallish man, and women.

https://concealednation.org/2020/09/...tches-allowed/

The article is from September. I have no idea if it is true as I don’t remember seeing anything about it then but I would think if they were still there it might be a bit of a bigger story.

[LWW]

The article is from September. I have no idea if it is true as I don’t remember seeing anything about it then but I would think if they were still there it might be a bit of a bigger story.

Newsnation the other day-

[7Seconds]

Newsnation the other day-

So yeah, I guess I did miss this. Although this just happened a couple of days ago so I am still blaming my son’s ridiculous soccer schedule.

But if you are looking for my opinion on these zones I generally don’t think they work. In theory they sound great - local people know what their community needs most, after all. The problem is that everything’s fine when everyone gets along - right up until it isn’t when they don’t. That’s when the breakdown of law and order hurts everyone.

While, I do think localizing government is a noble goal - communities that don’t feel heard tend to disengage and have an adversarial relationship with municipalities when it should be collaborative.

There is a number of crippling problems with “autonomous zones” - first and foremost, the embracing of leaderless movements which breed a culture of unaccountability and aimlessness. Everyone lines up to take credit when something good happens, but points fingers when someone invariably gets hurt.

Second, the infiltration of communities by agitators and what I’ll call the “professionally outraged” - in other words, grifters who see conflict as an opportunity for self-aggrandizement. People who will do anything for the perfect 30-second clip to propel them to social media fame, for whom genuine solutions are a distraction from building their brand. They have no stake in the community, and so should not be confused with genuine community organizers and activists.

Third, embracing reactive, violent self-policing. This grows out of the first problem - rejecting conventional municipal policing (which has its own, often severe problems) and embracing self-appointed gangs of thugs with little standardized training and no accountability for wrongful actions. See the shootings at CHAZ/CHOP for examples - and note that “we were afraid for our lives” was ironically held up as a perfectly valid excuse for wrongful deaths. Creating an environment where bad actors can cause harm with impunity isn’t a positive outcome.

Last, disregard for the actual community who lives in the occupied zone. The actual locals had very little say in the matter, and from coverage I’ve read, were terrorized by the hijacking of their streets by people who felt perfectly free to use it as an endless outdoor block party and battlefield. If they spoke out, they would have been treated as enemies of “the movement”.

Not sure if that answered your initial question but i really don’t remember what it was.

[LWW]

Not sure if that answered your initial question but i really don’t remember what it was.

It was who organizes this? It seems it's more than local residents because they seem a little to powerful to stop police and where is the Governor?

As a tax payer (most tax payers are not for this, at least the business and home owners in that area), the Gov and police are not doing their jobs for a somewhat smaller group of mostly whites, seems to be something bigger and funded happening here? Many law abiding citzens who pay taxes don't want to get involved without gov protecting them.

[ChazWood]

So yeah, I guess I did miss this. Although this just happened a couple of days ago so I am still blaming my son’s ridiculous soccer schedule.

But if you are looking for my opinion on these zones I generally don’t think they work. In theory they sound great - local people know what their community needs most, after all. The problem is that everything’s fine when everyone gets along - right up until it isn’t when they don’t. That’s when the breakdown of law and order hurts everyone.

While, I do think localizing government is a noble goal - communities that don’t feel heard tend to disengage and have an adversarial relationship with municipalities when it should be collaborative.

There is a number of crippling problems with “autonomous zones” - first and foremost, the embracing of leaderless movements which breed a culture of unaccountability and aimlessness. Everyone lines up to take credit when something good happens, but points fingers when someone invariably gets hurt.

Second, the infiltration of communities by agitators and what I’ll call the “professionally outraged” - in other words, grifters who see conflict as an opportunity for self-aggrandizement. People who will do anything for the perfect 30-second clip to propel them to social media fame, for whom genuine solutions are a distraction from building their brand. They have no stake in the community, and so should not be confused with genuine community organizers and activists.

Third, embracing reactive, violent self-policing. This grows out of the first problem - rejecting conventional municipal policing (which has its own, often severe problems) and embracing self-appointed gangs of thugs with little standardized training and no accountability for wrongful actions. See the shootings at CHAZ/CHOP for examples - and note that “we were afraid for our lives” was ironically held up as a perfectly valid excuse for wrongful deaths. Creating an environment where bad actors can cause harm with impunity isn’t a positive outcome.

Last, disregard for the actual community who lives in the occupied zone. The actual locals had very little say in the matter, and from coverage I’ve read, were terrorized by the hijacking of their streets by people who felt perfectly free to use it as an endless outdoor block party and battlefield. If they spoke out, they would have been treated as enemies of “the movement”.

Not sure if that answered your initial question but i really don’t remember what it was.

Masterfully articulated.

Totally off topic, but I just watched a clip and thought you and some others here would enjoy it. Assuming you haven't seen it.



So much great stuff on the uTube.

[7Seconds]

It was who organizes this? It seems it's more than local residents because they seem a little to powerful to stop police and where is the Governor?

As a tax payer (most tax payers are not for this, at least the business and home owners in that area), the Gov and police are not doing their jobs for a somewhat smaller group of mostly whites, seems to be something bigger and funded happening here? Many law abiding citzens who pay taxes don't want to get involved without gov protecting them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_Square

So this place has it’s own wiki page for you to learn all about it. There seems to be a couple of different groups involved and most of the leaders involved seem to live in the local neighborhood so if the Police moved them out they would just come back the next day.

The square is definitely part of a larger post-occupy protest tactic but the city has indicated they intend to open up the area. Apparently back in February, they put forth proposals to open up the area after Derek Chauvin's trial and asked for community feedback. If they impromptu just sent in workers and police to clear the area, they would be met with a serious community relations backlash and probably some degree of direct-action resistance.

https://kstp.com/news/minneapolis-ci...orial/6011011/

To give you a little more context on George Floyd square as a protest strategy. First, I want to state that the area does serve as a memorial to Floyd first and foremost. However, it also fits within the context of the 'autonomous zone' protest strategy. You saw similar tactics in Portland and Seattle. The general idea is to create space for in-person organizing and to set up mutual-aid operations.

I am not defending what they are doing there, just trying to answer your question of what I think is going on and offer a different perspective, which is something we all should look for.

If your interested in some further reading on the autonomous-zone strategy, the reasons for it and the criticisms, I recommend the piece below by Crimethink. They are an anarchist publication that focuses their journalism on protests and tactics.

https://crimethinc.com/2020/07/02/th...-around-the-us

[LWW]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_Square

So this place has it’s own wiki page for you to learn all about it. There seems to be a couple of different groups involved and most of the leaders involved seem to live in the local neighborhood so if the Police moved them out they would just come back the next day.

The square is definitely part of a larger post-occupy protest tactic but the city has indicated they intend to open up the area. Apparently back in February, they put forth proposals to open up the area after Derek Chauvin's trial and asked for community feedback. If they impromptu just sent in workers and police to clear the area, they would be met with a serious community relations backlash and probably some degree of direct-action resistance.

https://kstp.com/news/minneapolis-ci...orial/6011011/

To give you a little more context on George Floyd square as a protest strategy. First, I want to state that the area does serve as a memorial to Floyd first and foremost. However, it also fits within the context of the 'autonomous zone' protest strategy. You saw similar tactics in Portland and Seattle. The general idea is to create space for in-person organizing and to set up mutual-aid operations.

I am not defending what they are doing there, just trying to answer your question of what I think is going on and offer a different perspective, which is something we all should look for.

If your interested in some further reading on the autonomous-zone strategy, the reasons for it and the criticisms, I recommend the piece below by Crimethink. They are an anarchist publication that focuses their journalism on protests and tactics.

https://crimethinc.com/2020/07/02/th...-around-the-us

Wikis are not good sources, I can’t turn in a college exam with a wiki source.

It’s very interesting how these folks can do something totally illegal like this and you announce these comments about, well, they will just be back the next day and community black lash BS but in reality most of the city is against this, if the police take action or just send in the guard, it’ll be over plane in simple.

Right now the majority of tax papers and the ones who contribute most to the tax system for protection are not getting what they pay for.

If the same crowd gathered to a residential street those residents would not be provided the protection they pay for, so why pay taxes. And admit it, the city leaders are pussies!

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Wikis are not good sources, I can’t turn in a college exam with a wiki source.

Per Wikipedia's own ideology, it is to be treated as a secondary source; they repeatedly remove edits that would contain uncorroborated, primary source information. Wikipedia is a good tool for finding primary sources for research, since it lists all of those sources, with citations, for each entry. However, you take the extra step and review the primary source information to draw your conclusions.

It’s very interesting how these folks can do something totally illegal like this and you announce these comments about, well, they will just be back the next day and community black lash BS but in reality most of the city is against this, if the police take action or just send in the guard, it’ll be over plane in simple.

Right now the majority of tax papers and the ones who contribute most to the tax system for protection are not getting what they pay for.

If the same crowd gathered to a residential street those residents would not be provided the protection they pay for, so why pay taxes. And admit it, the city leaders are pussies!

I think I addressed most of this in my previous post about why I didn’t think these autonomous zones really work.

[7Seconds]

Masterfully articulated.

Totally off topic, but I just watched a clip and thought you and some others here would enjoy it. Assuming you haven't seen it.



So much great stuff on the uTube.

Just watched this. That was surprisingly hilarious. Have not seen that.

[LWW]

7Seconds, You said "The square is definitely part of a larger post-occupy protest tactic but the city has indicated they intend to open up the area. Apparently back in February, they put forth proposals to open up the area after Derek Chauvin's trial and asked for community feedback."

I'd like to see who they asked for feedback here, this makes no sense for any middle class resident that may have business in that area, you really think the community agreed to have a place where no reporters, no police can cross a line and have crime happening every evening, which community you think????? Sounds foolish to believe.

Bigger hands involved here, me thinks!

[7Seconds]

7Seconds, You said "The square is definitely part of a larger post-occupy protest tactic but the city has indicated they intend to open up the area. Apparently back in February, they put forth proposals to open up the area after Derek Chauvin's trial and asked for community feedback."

I'd like to see who they asked for feedback here, this makes no sense for any middle class resident that may have business in that area, you really think the community agreed to have a place where no reporters, no police can cross a line and have crime happening every evening, which community you think????? Sounds foolish to believe.

Read the bold again. Then read the article I linked.

me thinks!

I’m not so sure.

[LWW]

Read the bold again. Then read the article I linked.



I’m not so sure.

Ok, so who's policing the pandenic in there, answer that one? The mask laws in MN say this - "Since July 25, 2020, per the Governor's Executive Order 20-81, people in Minnesota are required to wear a face covering in all indoor businesses and public indoor spaces, unless alone".

So wuts up with that? Who polices the covid mandates in there?

Is this the only place in the state that has no enforcement, or are these ****ers in the ski masks walking around armed making sure everyone is ****ing masking???????

Now answer that one.

Biden just said people might be able to get together and have a BBQ on July 4th, HA HA, well people are getting together in the MN Automanous zone for Floyyd, does a Floyd supporter get a pass on gathering?????????

Please answer these tough questions, cause I don't get it????????

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Please answer these tough questions, cause I don't get it????????

They are blocking an intersection. It’s outside.

[LWW]

They are blocking an intersection. It’s outside.

Where were the rest of the people in the vid? I only saw two people in ski masks? Where are the rest hiding?

So what is this talk about "maybe" being able to have a 4th of July BBQ?? That's OUTSIDE! July is 3-4months away.

[7Seconds]

Where were the rest of the people in the vid? I only saw two people in ski masks? Where are the rest hiding?

So what is this talk about "maybe" being able to have a 4th of July BBQ?? That's OUTSIDE! July is 3-4months away.

Perhaps it’s lost on you that no one means “maybe” as in it’s not allowed or you’ll be raided by “the government”. But instead he meant that we could all hang out together without anyone being worried about it. I know you are a tough guy and aren’t scared but this summer still won’t be like 2019... someone won’t be at the bbq or someone’s keeping a little distant. You getting your panties in a bunch yet again over this just shows a lack of critical thinking on your part.

[LWW]

Perhaps it’s lost on you that no one means “maybe” as in it’s not allowed or you’ll be raided by “the government”. But instead he meant that we could all hang out together without anyone being worried about it. I know you are a tough guy and aren’t scared but this summer still won’t be like 2019... someone won’t be at the bbq or someone’s keeping a little distant. You getting your panties in a bunch yet again over this just shows a lack of critical thinking on your part.

How am I supposed to take it? They have been lying about everything they do or gonna do for a year? Basically you or I don't know what "they" are gonna do/say next. If anything it's those fuking bastards who can't think critically, and you seem to support them?

A small gym should NOT be looked at as something that needs closing as part of a "phased" approach.

You say asking my questions are wearing panties eh? interesting coming from a guy who thinks it's productive to assemble and be crybabies in the street, now go give the Zappa's your panties to add to his collection