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    Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    That was already happening with a mandate and no it the mask mandate puts pressure on stores to police all thier customers, the majority don’t want it.

    Some issues (like pandemics) are population-wide issues, which require population-wide solutions. But from a personal perspective, I agree with you and don’t like the idea of my individual choices being taken away.

    I’ve struggled while watching this whole thing play out. I would like to believe that with freedom comes responsibility, but that clearly isn’t the case. I wish more individuals would be aware of their impact on larger systems, and that they would voluntarily choose to do their part to help. Whatever that may be.

    But... do I think the best solution is government mandates? No. In fact, I think it did way more harm than good for the government+media to politicize a heath crisis. In my opinion, the government and its politics completely screwed us over before the pandemic even happened, but that’s a story for another day.

    I think the real solution was public education and neutral acceptance of responsibility. But we’re so far from having that kind of societal maturity that I honestly think we were doomed from the beginning... and no amount of government mandates was ever going to change that.
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    I've been wearing it in a nd out of businesses because that's the mask rules, but at our gym, we have to walk in with a mask and it can be removed while exercising - so we are all walking around with no mask upstairs in the weight/cardio area and wearing them in the common areas and locker room. I'm in Texas, and I suspect many businesses will still have "mask required" signs next week, and I am not gonna lose my mind if I go to these places I'll just put it on for that time.

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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    Some issues (like pandemics) are population-wide issues, which require population-wide solutions. But from a personal perspective, I agree with you and don’t like the idea of my individual choices being taken away.

    I’ve struggled while watching this whole thing play out. I would like to believe that with freedom comes responsibility, but that clearly isn’t the case. I wish more individuals would be aware of their impact on larger systems, and that they would voluntarily choose to do their part to help. Whatever that may be.

    But... do I think the best solution is government mandates? No. In fact, I think it did way more harm than good for the government+media to politicize a heath crisis. In my opinion, the government and its politics completely screwed us over before the pandemic even happened, but that’s a story for another day.

    I think the real solution was public education and neutral acceptance of responsibility. But we’re so far from having that kind of societal maturity that I honestly think we were doomed from the beginning... and no amount of government mandates was ever going to change that.
    I’ve gots no problem if a store chooses to take that action without a mandate, I have the choice whether or not I want to shop there.

    They made a political mess out it on purpose, the goal, keeping Trump out of politics. That’s my take and I’m sticking to it.
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    Can't wait to see how many issues this causes with confusion like "I have the right not to wear my mask in your store! The government said so!" The number of people who will refuse a store's rules and then make a scene thinking they DESERVE to shop there is going to skyrocket. Lots of infantile meltdowns coming to YouTube soon.

    I don’t like the idea of a mandate but at least by having a local mandate, it reduces pressure on local stores and their employees.
    Stores only require masks because of the public health orders.
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    Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    I’ve gots no problem if a store chooses to take that action without a mandate, I have the choice whether or not I want to shop there.

    They made a political mess out it on purpose, the goal, keeping Trump out of politics. That’s my take and I’m sticking to it.

    I agree it would be better had the issue not been politicized by incredible partisan government intervention. Biases now run deep.

    It's pretty clear that many on the right will not accept mask requirements, even if private. The left might continue to wear masks indefinitely. There likely is no middle ground.
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    Stores only require masks because of the public health orders.
    There were many stores in my area that required masks before any order, local or state. I do think it makes it easier to enforce.
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    Stores only require masks because of the public health orders.
    False

    As a broad brush statement, anyway

    Some stores in some states that have a mask order, yes

    Many other stores in many other states, false, they require them when not required to do so

    Yet other stores in the 'other' states (like here) do not require them
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    I agree it would be better had the issue not been politicized by incredible partisan government intervention. Biases now run deep.

    It's pretty clear that many on the right will not accept mask requirements, even if private. The left might continue to wear masks indefinitely. There likely is no middle ground.
    The mask mandate didn’t happen until may, just about everyone was wearing masks in grocery stores in March, meanwhile all non essential stores closed. I’d walk into a store before mandates and I could count the people on one hand that didn’t wear a mask, the mandate was not needed.

    It was obsured for gov Hogan to step on his soap box this fall and speak to everyone like bad children and say “wear the damn masks”, if you looked at the stats nothing changed via no mandate vs mandate.

    The more they act like controlling azzholes the more people don’t want to hear it.
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    There were many stores in my area that required masks before any order, local or state. I do think it makes it easier to enforce.
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    False

    As a broad brush statement, anyway

    Some stores in some states that have a mask order, yes

    Many other stores in many other states, false, they require them when not required to do so

    Yet other stores in the 'other' states (like here) do not require them
    I should have said where I was which means I shouldn't have answered. Before the public health orders in my area, police released a statement that they wouldn't respond to calls about mask wearing.
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    I should have said where I was which means I shouldn't have answered. Before the public health orders in my area, police released a statement that they wouldn't respond to calls about mask wearing.
    Of course they wouldn't. Why would they?

    But if a private property owner/business asks somebody to leave, they still need to. "Unwanted guest" may be the keyphrase
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Of course they wouldn't. Why would they?

    But if a private property owner/business asks somebody to leave, they still need to. "Unwanted guest" may be the keyphrase
    They addressed that. Police said they wouldn't respond to that sort of thing unless it escalated to violence.
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    They addressed that. Police said they wouldn't respond to that sort of thing unless it escalated to violence.
    That's retarded

    Great excuse for property owner to use force though. Government said to lol

    Get off my lawn IRL

    Okay, 'out of my store'.

    Close enough
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    That's retarded

    Great excuse for property owner to use force though. Government said to lol

    Get off my lawn IRL

    Okay, 'out of my store'.

    Close enough
    The police in some political areas aren’t even supposed to respond to vandalism or Arsen, hell in some cities you can burn down a police headquarters and be out on bail, but if someone gets into the capital, they rot with no bail???????
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    Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    The police in some political areas aren’t even supposed to respond to vandalism or Arsen, hell in some cities you can burn down a police headquarters and be out on bail, but if someone gets into the capital, they rot with no bail???????
    Arson*

    Of a vacant stand alone structure, IIRC.

    And, yes, there is more than one stupid thing out there in the country
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    Of a vacant stand alone structure, IIRC.

    And, yes, there is more than one stupid thing out there in the country
    No a functioning business that someone may even live in.

    It’s only stupid because we all pay taxes, hence tax is thieft, you as a business can hire your own security.
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    No a functioning business that someone may even live in.
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    You aren’t very smart are you?

    What makes you think people don’t live in thier place a business?

    I’ve known plenty, that’s a place to go when the wife throws ya out too, what world you live in?

    The homeless live in vacant buildings.

    Every time they set fires to a building, IMO that should be attempted murder.
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    Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    You aren’t very smart are you?

    What makes you think people don’t live in thier place a business?

    I’ve known plenty, that’s a place to go when the wife throws ya out too, what world you live in?

    The homeless live in vacant buildings.

    Every time they set fires to a building, IMO that should be attempted murder.
    Please post where police said they will not respond to arson of a functioning business someone may even live in
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Please post where police said they will not respond to arson of a functioning business someone may even live in
    They never stopped anyone setting fires over the summer, where have you been? Are just trying to be a dipsh!t ? Kyle Rittenhouse had to step up and put out a fire, look what to him, he had shoot some scum.

    And I was in Baltimore during the Freddy Grey riots, the mayor told police to stand down and make room for destruction, this order came from a direct phone call from the mayor to Obama.

    Baltimore was the beginning trend of what we saw all summer. The thugs burned down every business and liquor stores and the cops just stood there, all they were missing was marshmellows. They looked pathetic.
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    They never stopped anyone setting fires over the summer, where have you been? Are just trying to be a dipsh!t ?

    And I was in Baltimore during the Freddy Grey riots, the mayor told police to stand down and make room for destruction, this order came from a direct phone call from the mayor to Obama.

    Baltimore was the beginning trend of what we saw all summer. The thugs burned down every business and liquor stores and the cops just stood there, all they were missing was marshmellows. They looked pathetic.
    Thank you for admitting this was a lie

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    The police in some political areas aren’t even supposed to respond to vandalism or Arsen,
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    No a functioning business that someone may even live in.

    It’s only stupid because we all pay taxes, hence tax is thieft, you as a business can hire your own security.

    If you'd like to prove police are not supposed to respond to arson of a functioning business that someone may even live in...feel free. We'll be here.
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Thank you for admitting this was a lie






    If you'd like to prove police are not supposed to respond to arson of a functioning business that someone may even live in...feel free. We'll be here.
    I already did you stupid mofo, read my type you little fuk head, THE COPS LET THE BUSINESS BURN, THEY STOOD DOWN.

    Now go suck your own dik, punk!
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    I already did you stupid mofo, read my type you little fuk head, THE COPS LET THE BUSINESS BURN, THEY STOOD DOWN.

    Now go suck your own dik, punk!
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    I already did you stupid mofo, read my type you little fuk head, THE COPS LET THE BUSINESS BURN, THEY STOOD DOWN.

    Now go suck your own dik, punk!
    Sorry if it offends you deeply that I don't just take your word for it.

    Post it?

    And of course, realize that when a building is burning, it's the fire departments job to actually put it out...not the popo
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    Sorry if it offends you deeply that I don't just take your word for it.

    Post it?

    And of course, realize that when a building is burning, it's the fire departments job to actually put it out...not the popo
    When did I say the police put it out you fuking stupid fuk fuking fukburger? Its respond, arrest, stop the thug.

    Well you should just pay more attention or look it up yourself, but it seems action is only taken regarding the political sides, you fuk with Democrats at the capital, your life is over. You fuk with someone on the Trump side of life, you get bail reform.
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    When did I say the police put it out you fuking stupid fuk fuking fukburger? Its respond, arrest, stop the thug.

    Well you should just pay more attention or look it up yourself, but it seems action is only taken regarding the political sides, you fuk with Democrats at the capital, your life is over. You fuk with someone on the Trump side of life, you get bail reform.
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    Cute false equivalency though.
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    look it up yourself
    Thank you for admitting you made it up
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    Capitol***

    Cute false equivalency though.

    you wish!
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