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    Originally Posted by MMeadows11 View Post
    Why do you lie ?




    Why do you post drivel ?

    The unemployment rate is 6.3%, which isn't too bad when you consider how Corona Don failed the country by letting the pandemic rage out of control.



    Very Very strange. We were....."great again"........and then the pandemic alone destroyed all of that. Including -gasp- people in face shields !!








    You repeat this lie everywhere. Strange.

    Where is gas 70% higher ?
    You’re a stupid fukn moron. Let me be technical for you. 36% increase local sum average increased since Biden took office 1/5/2021, the fact you defend higher gas prices with Biden in such a short time is astounding.

    Where did this virus come from?
    China
    Who’s in bed with China and had secret deals going on in White House?
    Biden
    Who said it was perfectly safe to travel last year in March? Biden
    Has gas gone up since Biden in office? Yes at an alarming rate

    And also LOL if you think unemployment is at 6.7% I am in the recruiting field and we went from 5-10 applicants to nearly 100 to where we have to disclose we most likely won’t view your application or even a response for a single normal job posting

    The fuk is wrong with you liberals?

    I swear you can have gas at a dollar today and 5$ tomorrow and you’ll still be posting how it’s “due to covid and Biden did good” as If he’s sucking you off while typing that
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    OP is still sound asleep as to what's happening to our country. Not only is she upset that the Uniparty is advancing its own interests (destroying America, flooding us with illegals, stealing all of our future wealth etc), Id wager she does not even know that the election was stolen in plain sight and Biden was installed.

    Just being real, if you still dont understand that:

    -covid-19 was a bioweapon released by China in conjunction with corrupt politicians/orgs worldwide (look up Event 201 from Oct 2019, was the dress rehearsal for the Plandemic and sponsored by Bill and Melinda Foun. and World Economic Forum)

    -communists are fully in control of our govt and institutions and are destroying them as fast as they possibly can

    -the only was to save America is with force, there is no voting our way out of this

    Then you are sleep walking through reality. Your children and their children will have no future if we do not stand up right now. Theyre purposely inflating the market and USD to collapse it, hence The Great Reset...

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    Originally Posted by Olympia2018 View Post
    You’re a stupid fukn moron. Let me be technical for you. 36% increase local sum average increased since Biden took office 1/5/2021, the fact you defend higher gas prices with Biden in such a short time is astounding.

    Where did this virus come from?
    China
    Who’s in bed with China and had secret deals going on in White House?
    Biden
    Who said it was perfectly safe to travel last year in March? Biden
    Has gas gone up since Biden in office? Yes at an alarming rate

    And also LOL if you think unemployment is at 6.7% I am in the recruiting field and we went from 5-10 applicants to nearly 100 to where we have to disclose we most likely won’t view your application or even a response for a single normal job posting

    The fuk is wrong with you liberals?

    I swear you can have gas at a dollar today and 5$ tomorrow and you’ll still be posting how it’s “due to covid and Biden did good” as If he’s sucking you off while typing that
    Biden took office on the 20th
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    Originally Posted by knightofday View Post
    OP is still sound asleep as to what's happening to our country. Not only is she upset that the Uniparty is advancing its own interests (destroying America, flooding us with illegals, stealing all of our future wealth etc), Id wager she does not even know that the election was stolen in plain sight and Biden was installed.

    Just being real, if you still dont understand that:

    -covid-19 was a bioweapon released by China in conjunction with corrupt politicians/orgs worldwide (look up Event 201 from Oct 2019, was the dress rehearsal for the Plandemic and sponsored by Bill and Melinda Foun. and World Economic Forum)

    -communists are fully in control of our govt and institutions and are destroying them as fast as they possibly can

    -the only was to save America is with force, there is no voting our way out of this

    Then you are sleep walking through reality. Your children and their children will have no future if we do not stand up right now. Theyre purposely inflating the market and USD to collapse it, hence The Great Reset...

    "you will own nothing, and you will be happy"

    In order to present an opportunity to reshape the country for the common man we must first move for fiat.

    No one revolts as long as their maslow's needs are met. They could drag this out for another 5 decades if they want to before it gets really bad.

    But through fiat they have left themselves a vulnerability. A gaping hole in their plans. If the people they pay to enforce their policy no longer receive payment. They will not enforce policy. Financial viability is the only thing gluing this paper tiger together

    Fiat must come down first if we are to remove the corruption in our ranks. You must understand that a small window of opportunity will only present itself after the inevitable collapse of fiat.

    You must also understand that they have the tools necessary to "kick the can" down the road for at least another 50 years if they really want to. Only through coordinated commodity purchase can the people of the USA exude any influence on this. You must work together if you are to be successful.

    I personally have lumber and silver but prefer lumber but this is a great meme. ( I also have crypto but am concerned about future legislation targeting this.)



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    Originally Posted by Narrator02 View Post
    Biden took office on the 20th
    Ah okay because in November all the way till then we had not the slightest clue Biden won? Pretty sure 100% of people knew he would be after Biden winning the election in a landslide at 3 AM after trump won the day prior when real people voted
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    Originally Posted by knightofday View Post
    OP is still sound asleep as to what's happening to our country. Not only is she upset that the Uniparty is advancing its own interests (destroying America, flooding us with illegals, stealing all of our future wealth etc), Id wager she does not even know that the election was stolen in plain sight and Biden was installed.

    Just being real, if you still dont understand that:

    -covid-19 was a bioweapon released by China in conjunction with corrupt politicians/orgs worldwide (look up Event 201 from Oct 2019, was the dress rehearsal for the Plandemic and sponsored by Bill and Melinda Foun. and World Economic Forum)

    -communists are fully in control of our govt and institutions and are destroying them as fast as they possibly can

    -the only was to save America is with force, there is no voting our way out of this

    Then you are sleep walking through reality. Your children and their children will have no future if we do not stand up right now. Theyre purposely inflating the market and USD to collapse it, hence The Great Reset...

    "you will own nothing, and you will be happy"
    Agreed, I will be there to and more then half the rest of the US too if someone makes the right move
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    Originally Posted by rampagefc77 View Post
    The economy would have been so strong under trump that wages would have naturally increased without a law saying it was mandatory.
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    min wage should be enforced federally but set locally based on local cost of living and adjusted for inflation imo
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    Originally Posted by Olympia2018 View Post
    You’re a stupid fukn moron. Let me be technical for you. 36% increase local sum average increased since Biden took office 1/5/2021



    I stopped there. Hard to take a retard seriously who doesn't even know what day of the year a president takes office, even though it has been the same for almost 90 years.





    Originally Posted by Olympia2018 View Post
    Ah okay because in November all the way till then we had not the slightest clue Biden won? Pretty sure 100% of people knew he would be after Biden winning the election in a landslide at 3 AM after trump won the day prior when real people voted


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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    min wage should be enforced federally but set locally based on local cost of living and adjusted for inflation imo
    much better than what the (D)s are proposing.

    I would say enforce it locally too unless it becomes a problem in that specific locale unless you want to create another giant FBI sized bureaucracy.
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    Minimum wage should be a state or city decision, not a federal one.
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    lettuce beef cereal, campaign promises are worth nothing from either party.
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    Originally Posted by Retoaded View Post
    It depends. The democrats right now are attempting to pass the COVID bill, including minimum wage, through a budget reconciliation process, which only requires 50 plus the VP and can bypass a filibuster (what you describe above).

    The reconciliation process allows for the passing of budgets but not policy. All of the other stupid crap in the COVID bill, although stupid, is budgetary.

    Republicans are threatening to filibuster indefinitely because of all the above mentioned pork in this bill, including bridges, infrastructure projects, planned parenthood funding, foreign aid, etc...a bunch of BS that doesn't belong in there. (who can argue that?)

    The problem is when you use the reconciliation process to skip filibuster, you can't willy nilly jam a bunch of crap through together, its got to meet a stricter standard. You can't put other "incidental" things into the bill, I think is the specific language. Its got to be budget, not policy.

    My personal veiwpoint from an independent who hates both parties.

    or cliffs: you can't use a budget process to pass policy, only budget items.
    And the argument the other side is making is that an increased minimum wage is budgetary since it will impact the federal budget as the CBO reported. I'm not saying that they are in the right, just that the Senate has become too obstructive to governing.

    If a filibuster meant that a member of the Senate had to actually hold the Senate floor by reading or something then it probably wouldn't be so bad.

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    Such an oblivious bunch you are; truly sheep in the highest regards. I've literally laid out the truth for you and all you can do is bicker/in-fight about politics. They were successful in diverting your attention at least.

    The system was never intended to work. It's designed with one goal in mind. Move the chips on that side of the table to this side of the table.

    You don't get it? Fiat currency dates back to 7th century China. They know it doesn't work, everyone knows it doesn't work. Except you I guess?

    Stop fighting about politics and focus on the actual problem: Fiat
    I agree that it was known that fiat would fail as it always has in the past.

    Owning commodities may be a good personal hedge against fiat manipulation, but I don't see how it can destroy fiat.

    If the fiat system goes down without something else to replace it we all suffer to some degree. Prior fiat system failures were not on the same scale (primary tool for international trade, multiple countries w/nuclear weapons).

    The Great Reset IMO is a signal to those paying attention that "they" have "something else" ready to go now. Probably been working extra hard on it since 07-08.

    Just like the Patriot Act was ready to go prior to 9/11. And people swallowed that whole.

    They will be ready to step in and "save you". You will own nothing and like it.

    - rented housing
    - digital media/monthly access fee
    - subscription streaming entertainment
    - licensed software as a service
    - driverless vehicle transportation service (order a car to pick you up)

    What you "own" may be mostly things that you or your family already have in your possession prior to the changeover. Or items that are low value/disposable/consumable.

    It is possible that you will not even be allowed to continue "owning" stocks, bonds, or commodities. The rules of the new economy may seize your "ownership" if you don't have hard copy proof of ownership, or maybe even if you do. See: seizure of private property by various governments

    We could be potentially chained to a wageslave life, or alternately a life on the dole barely subsisting.

    When the ladders get knocked down I wouldn't assume that the rest of us will be allowed another shot at climbing out.

    More likely to see propaganda about how the new system is so much better and more fair because those in the deepest poverty are now at subsistence level. And never you mind that a lot of people who were at a better than subsistence (if lower than the elite) level are getting shoved down towards subsistence.

    Maybe things like stocks, bonds, and commodities will be left alone and you will be able to keep them.

    I've speculated in another post here that for a blockchain/digital currency platform to perform sufficiently for transactions there needs to be internet service available at some level. IDK that Musk's deployment of satellites to bring internet service to world is directly related, but it would certainly fit nicely.

    If Musk is creating perhaps the largest global crypto platform how much is that worth in term of stock valuation?

    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    min wage should be enforced federally but set locally based on local cost of living and adjusted for inflation imo
    Understandable. The majority of our anti-poverty programs are a the federal level though. So someone in an area with a lower local minimum wage could get bennies while another person struggling just as much in an area with a higher minimum wage gets nothing.

    I don't know that as far as social safety net programs go you can get smaller than the state level.

    - federal calculator for state minimum wage (should cover basic living expenses for a single person w/no dependents to be housed, fed, medical care, and transportation working 1800 hours a year)
    - cities can set a higher wage than the state minimum, not lower

    ^^^
    This could work if we dropped the multitude of benefit programs for a flat payment, as in $X per adult and $X per child. Then you wouldn't be giving some states an unfairly larger piece of federal social support spending + the federal payment could be included when calculating the state minimum wage.
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    And the argument the other side is making is that an increased minimum wage is budgetary since it will impact the federal budget as the CBO reported. I'm not saying that they are in the right, just that the Senate has become too obstructive to governing.

    If a filibuster meant that a member of the Senate had to actually hold the Senate floor by reading or something then it probably wouldn't be so bad.



    I agree that it was known that fiat would fail as it always has in the past.

    Owning commodities may be a good personal hedge against fiat manipulation, but I don't see how it can destroy fiat.

    If the fiat system goes down without something else to replace it we all suffer to some degree. Prior fiat system failures were not on the same scale (primary tool for international trade, multiple countries w/nuclear weapons).

    The Great Reset IMO is a signal to those paying attention that "they" have "something else" ready to go now. Probably been working extra hard on it since 07-08.

    Just like the Patriot Act was ready to go prior to 9/11. And people swallowed that whole.

    They will be ready to step in and "save you". You will own nothing and like it.

    - rented housing
    - digital media/monthly access fee
    - subscription streaming entertainment
    - licensed software as a service
    - driverless vehicle transportation service (order a car to pick you up)

    What you "own" may be mostly things that you or your family already have in your possession prior to the changeover. Or items that are low value/disposable/consumable.

    It is possible that you will not even be allowed to continue "owning" stocks, bonds, or commodities. The rules of the new economy may seize your "ownership" if you don't have hard copy proof of ownership, or maybe even if you do. See: seizure of private property by various governments

    We could be potentially chained to a wageslave life, or alternately a life on the dole barely subsisting.

    When the ladders get knocked down I wouldn't assume that the rest of us will be allowed another shot at climbing out.

    More likely to see propaganda about how the new system is so much better and more fair because those in the deepest poverty are now at subsistence level. And never you mind that a lot of people who were at a better than subsistence (if lower than the elite level) are getting shoved down towards subsistence.

    Maybe things like stocks, bonds, and commodities will be left alone and you will be able to keep them.

    I've speculated in another post here that for a blockchain/digital currency platform to perform sufficiently for transactions there needs to be internet service available at some level. IDK that Musk's deployment of satellites to bring internet service to world is directly related, but it would certainly fit nicely.

    If Musk is creating perhaps the largest global crypto platform how much is that worth in term of stock valuation?



    Understandable. The majority of our anti-poverty programs are a the federal level though. So someone in an area with a lower local minimum wage could get bennies while another person struggling just as much in an area with a higher minimum wage gets nothing.

    I don't know that as far as social safety net programs go you can get smaller than the state level.

    - federal calculator for state minimum wage (should cover basic living expenses for a single person w/no dependents to be housed, fed, medical care, and transportation working 1800 hours a year)
    - cities can set a higher wage than the state minimum, not lower

    ^^^
    This could work if we dropped the multitude of benefit programs for a flat payment, as in $X per adult and $X per child. Then you wouldn't be giving some states an unfairly larger piece of federal social support spending + the federal payment could be included when calculating the state minimum wage.
    Those progs also need to be adjusted for local cost of living. They can do it by county.
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    I read that he would need 60 votes and doesn't even have 50. Looks like you need to win more elections to get your raise.
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    I agree that it was known that fiat would fail as it always has in the past.

    Owning commodities may be a good personal hedge against fiat manipulation, but I don't see how it can destroy fiat.

    If the fiat system goes down without something else to replace it we all suffer to some degree. Prior fiat system failures were not on the same scale (primary tool for international trade, multiple countries w/nuclear weapons).

    The Great Reset IMO is a signal to those paying attention that "they" have "something else" ready to go now. Probably been working extra hard on it since 07-08.

    Just like the Patriot Act was ready to go prior to 9/11. And people swallowed that whole.

    They will be ready to step in and "save you". You will own nothing and like it.

    - rented housing
    - digital media/monthly access fee
    - subscription streaming entertainment
    - licensed software as a service
    - driverless vehicle transportation service (order a car to pick you up)

    What you "own" may be mostly things that you or your family already have in your possession prior to the changeover. Or items that are low value/disposable/consumable.

    It is possible that you will not even be allowed to continue "owning" stocks, bonds, or commodities. The rules of the new economy may seize your "ownership" if you don't have hard copy proof of ownership, or maybe even if you do. See: seizure of private property by various governments

    We could be potentially chained to a wageslave life, or alternately a life on the dole barely subsisting.

    If they come to enslave you then you will have another choice to make. I can't make that choice for you or anyone else. Will you willingly become a slave or not?

    But you...no, we...we have all the tools necessary to make sure that doesn't happen. The founding fathers made sure of that.
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    And the argument the other side is making is that an increased minimum wage is budgetary since it will impact the federal budget as the CBO reported. I'm not saying that they are in the right, just that the Senate has become too obstructive to governing.
    IMO that is a laughable argument. Its not an appropriation its policy. Might as well say declaring war on China is budgetary since it will impact the federal budget.
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    $15 min wage is one of the worst ideas to ever get mainstream support. I put it in the same boat as the socialized medicine argument. we have tools now that we didn't have when these ideas originated. take advantage of modern computational resources/data and make a smart system. class warfare is being prioritized over effective solutions while we waste hundreds of billions of dollars on inefficient systems built for 1970.
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    Just making it so health insurance companies pay for medical bills like they are supposed to would be an absolute miracle. Public option nevermind single payer? Hah.
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    There aren't enough votes in Congress for $15 min wage, which is why it isn't happening.

    The parliamentary ruling is that it isn't available for reconciliation. They could fire the person who ruled that, but that isn't Biden's fault.

    They won't get rid of the filibuster for 15 min wage, but again...not Biden's to control.

    Surprise, there's a Congress.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Those progs also need to be adjusted for local cost of living. They can do it by county.
    Well they could have set up the minimum wage to adjust upward in line with cost of living too.

    Originally Posted by IPoopStandingUp View Post
    I read that he would need 60 votes and doesn't even have 50. Looks like you need to win more elections to get your raise.
    If you mean to overcome the filibuster that isn't the issue with the present vote. And this isn't so much about the specific issue (minimum wage), but that our congressional representatives have refused to create a piece of legislation and vote on it for an issue that directly affects a large number of constituents and has broad public support.

    A low minimum wage is a cost savings for capital at the expense of labor. If there were any will to create a joint bill with a lower wage raise, or a new system of localized minimum wages I think we should have seen it by now as it has been over a decade.

    They won't even take up the issue in a serious manner for negotiation.

    If those opposed want to make their case against the increase (or for a different plan) they can do that.

    Or they can just openly vote against the bill.

    But either they have no respect for the will of the people, or they are afraid that if they openly support capital over labor then a plurality of their constituency may catch on.

    Originally Posted by StinkholePatrol View Post
    If they come to enslave you then you will have another choice to make. I can't make that choice for you or anyone else. Will you willingly become a slave or not?

    But you...no, we...we have all the tools necessary to make sure that doesn't happen. The founding fathers made sure of that.
    I'm sorry but I don't believe that we have as many tools as you may believe. There is a much greater asymmetry now between the federal government and the citizenry.

    Originally Posted by Retoaded View Post
    IMO that is a laughable argument. Its not an appropriation its policy. Might as well say declaring war on China is budgetary since it will impact the federal budget.
    It's weak. I'm not sure what they are standing on; maybe decreased spending (social safety net programs).

    Originally Posted by tyqb4 View Post
    $15 min wage is one of the worst ideas to ever get mainstream support. I put it in the same boat as the socialized medicine argument. we have tools now that we didn't have when these ideas originated. take advantage of modern computational resources/data and make a smart system. class warfare is being prioritized over effective solutions while we waste hundreds of billions of dollars on inefficient systems built for 1970.
    Want to expand on that?

    I happened to catch a reference to an economic theory? that as an example was applied to remuneration for employment. Been meaning to follow up. Said it was 25 years old, but it has been longer than that since I took an economics course.
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    Originally Posted by katya422 View Post
    And the argument the other side is making is that an increased minimum wage is budgetary since it will impact the federal budget as the CBO reported. I'm not saying that they are in the right, just that the Senate has become too obstructive to governing.

    If a filibuster meant that a member of the Senate had to actually hold the Senate floor by reading or something then it probably wouldn't be so bad.
    Whatever the issue at hand, the bolded is a rather universal and critical problem extending to the legislative branch as a whole, as a disproportionate amount of attention in all matters is paid almost exclusively to the president. Meanwhile, the legislative branch is free from term limits and has shown its proclivity to cling onto power like a gluttonous pig.

    Look no further than Nancy Pelosi, who has held her high rank since I was in high school, and used her power as a bargaining chip with the DNC to extend her hold longer than even some of her own party members feel is right. Or on the right we have Turtle McConnell, who holds an extraordinary amount of power for a senator from sodding Kentucky, of all places.

    I can't help but often feel as though one part of our republic's failing is that representatives face next to no accountability or direct recourse for their actions for massive spans of time.

    The recent omnibus bill (with its tacked on COVID "relief") serves as a perfect example, as it's awfully convenient that it was released after the election, leaving legislators free to piss away time and tack on as much pork as desired. And they can do so at ease knowing that (1) almost 99% of the attention was directed solely towards the executive branch and presidential election and (2) only 19 states support recall of state officials at any time. Even with (2), they know that they are relatively safe and recalls are rarities.

    Meanwhile, private interest groups and even fellow legislators can hold more influence than the very people whom these politicians are supposed to represent.

    I would be remiss to mention how the very media itself is also responsible for how the public turns all eyes towards only a few key figures (who they likely have zero sway over due to being members of a completely different state), but primarily whoever resides in the White House at the moment. The majority of Americans are basically trained to mostly ignore one crucial component of the whole equation, when the reality of our system of government revolves around that variable far too significantly to relegate it to a passing concern every few years.

    I've speculated in another post here that for a blockchain/digital currency platform to perform sufficiently for transactions there needs to be internet service available at some level. IDK that Musk's deployment of satellites to bring internet service to world is directly related, but it would certainly fit nicely.

    If Musk is creating perhaps the largest global crypto platform how much is that worth in term of stock valuation?
    Crypto poses many of those same problems with fiat currency, except it would be even easier for the powers to be to strip away your livelihood.

    Despite stated intentions, I believe that it is imperative that we look to the prefix's original meaning of "secret," and reconsider the possible malicious uses and abuses that the technology poses.

    I'd say look no further than China's shift to a "cashless society" for a living lesson as to what dangers digital currency poses, particularly in conjunction with that nation's concept of social credit.
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    Originally Posted by katya422 View Post
    Well they could have set up the minimum wage to adjust upward in line with cost of living too.



    If you mean to overcome the filibuster that isn't the issue with the present vote. And this isn't so much about the specific issue (minimum wage), but that our congressional representatives have refused to create a piece of legislation and vote on it for an issue that directly affects a large number of constituents and has broad public support.

    A low minimum wage is a cost savings for capital at the expense of labor. If there were any will to create a joint bill with a lower wage raise, or a new system of localized minimum wages I think we should have seen it by now as it has been over a decade.

    They won't even take up the issue in a serious manner for negotiation.

    If those opposed want to make their case against the increase (or for a different plan) they can do that.

    Or they can just openly vote against the bill.

    But either they have no respect for the will of the people, or they are afraid that if they openly support capital over labor then a plurality of their constituency may catch on.



    I'm sorry but I don't believe that we have as many tools as you may believe. There is a much greater asymmetry now between the federal government and the citizenry.



    It's weak. I'm not sure what they are standing on; maybe decreased spending (social safety net programs).



    Want to expand on that?

    I happened to catch a reference to an economic theory? that as an example was applied to remuneration for employment. Been meaning to follow up. Said it was 25 years old, but it has been longer than that since I took an economics course.
    ya but a uniform federal wage for all locations doesn't make economic sense.
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    Originally Posted by nkiritsis13 View Post
    Whatever the issue at hand, the bolded is a rather universal and critical problem extending to the legislative branch as a whole, as a disproportionate amount of attention in all matters is paid almost exclusively to the president. Meanwhile, the legislative branch is free from term limits and has shown its proclivity to cling onto power like a gluttonous pig.

    Look no further than Nancy Pelosi, who has held her high rank since I was in high school, and used her power as a bargaining chip with the DNC to extend her hold longer than even some of her own party members feel is right. Or on the right we have Turtle McConnell, who holds an extraordinary amount of power for a senator from sodding Kentucky, of all places.

    I can't help but often feel as though one part of our republic's failing is that representatives face next to no accountability or direct recourse for their actions for massive spans of time.

    The recent omnibus bill (with its tacked on COVID "relief") serves as a perfect example, as it's awfully convenient that it was released after the election, leaving legislators free to piss away time and tack on as much pork as desired. And they can do so at ease knowing that (1) almost 99% of the attention was directed solely towards the executive branch and presidential election and (2) only 19 states support recall of state officials at any time. Even with (2), they know that they are relatively safe and recalls are rarities.

    Meanwhile, private interest groups and even fellow legislators can hold more influence than the very people whom these politicians are supposed to represent.

    I would be remiss to mention how the very media itself is also responsible for how the public turns all eyes towards only a few key figures (who they likely have zero sway over due to being members of a completely different state), but primarily whoever resides in the White House at the moment. The majority of Americans are basically trained to mostly ignore one crucial component of the whole equation, when the reality of our system of government revolves around that variable far too significantly to relegate it to a passing concern every few years.


    Crypto poses many of those same problems with fiat currency, except it would be even easier for the powers to be to strip away your livelihood.

    Despite stated intentions, I believe that it is imperative that we look to the prefix's original meaning of "secret," and reconsider the possible malicious uses and abuses that the technology poses.

    I'd say look no further than China's shift to a "cashless society" for a living lesson as to what dangers digital currency poses, particularly in conjunction with that nation's concept of social credit.
    I agree. We have seen a continuing situation where the branches of our government have not been held accountable by the public.

    The executive branch has continually claimed powers that were not granted to it originally. The attitude seems to be that "I (the President) have the power to do this and if you don't agree then fight me for it." And no one fights them.

    The legislative branch is mostly useless when it comes to substantive legislation or even a responsible budgetary plan. They will pass things like "National Tuna Casserole Day"...gee, thanks.

    The judicial branch I think may be least bad, if also a bit stale. I want the most competent and objective justices. IMO judicial candidates should be non-partisan- as in not associated with any party and only funded via public finance.

    Part of the issue may be general lifespan and the cessation of a mandatory retirement age. I doubt our founder ever envisioned a government that is so dominated by people of advanced age who have been in their positions for extended periods of time.

    Term limits IMO can be too limiting if the public servants don't serve long enough to become good at their jobs. OTOH if they are there for too long most will lose touch with the concerns of people outside of D.C. and people coming up in younger generations.

    Re: blockchain or digital only currency I also see it as a potential tool for lifelong enslavement more corruptible than our present system as it would have even less transparency.
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    ya but a uniform federal wage for all locations doesn't make economic sense.
    I follow you.

    Do you see though that this also highlights the weakness of a union of states? One monetary policy for multiple varied economies?

    This was discussed a lot in regard to the EU during the financial crisis; e.g. the right monetary policy for Greece wasn't the right monetary policy for Germany.

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    You should be thankful biden folded on the $15 min wage. He is protecting your job.

    The majority of americans being for it doesnt matter, the majority of americans are retards. We live in a global economy and min wage jobs are menial skill that can easily be replaced through automation or by offshoring the jobs overseas.

    Stupid liberals wanting the min wage to increase are literally supporting the loss of their jobs. Theyre just too stupid to realize it. They should be thanking sleepy joe for protecting them from themselves
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    Originally Posted by tnel00 View Post
    You should be thankful biden folded on the $15 min wage. He is protecting your job.

    The majority of americans being for it doesnt matter, the majority of americans are retards. We live in a global economy and min wage jobs are menial skill that can easily be replaced through automation or by offshoring the jobs overseas.

    Stupid liberals wanting the min wage to increase are literally supporting the loss of their jobs. Theyre just too stupid to realize it. They should be thanking sleepy joe for protecting them from themselves
    They have no clue that they dodged a tank round, for now. Even so, when the Xiden administration crams it through via executive power or the legislature does (it will haopen), those same people upset to tears right now will reeeeee to the heavens when their job vanishes over night. Or theyre replaced with a machine.

    What will they do then? Scream for even more government intervention...
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    Originally Posted by tnel00 View Post
    You should be thankful biden folded on the $15 min wage. He is protecting your job.

    The majority of americans being for it doesnt matter, the majority of americans are retards. We live in a global economy and min wage jobs are menial skill that can easily be replaced through automation or by offshoring the jobs overseas.

    Stupid liberals wanting the min wage to increase are literally supporting the loss of their jobs. Theyre just too stupid to realize it. They should be thanking sleepy joe for protecting them from themselves
    Originally Posted by knightofday View Post
    They have no clue that they dodged a tank round, for now. Even so, when the Xiden administration crams it through via executive power or the legislature does (it will haopen), those same people upset to tears right now will reeeeee to the heavens when their job vanishes over night. Or theyre replaced with a machine.

    What will they do then? Scream for even more government intervention...
    Whatever we end up w/regarding wages we deserve a government that works for us and actually engages in analysis and negotiation to attempt to find the best achievable result.

    Businesses generally seek to minimize costs and maximize profits. Automation and offshoring aren't going to be lessened significantly because we have a low wage floor.

    How many jobs can you think of where both of these things apply:

    - a human can do the job equally well as a machine for a lower cost

    - a human can cover their basic living expenses with wages equal to less than the cost of a machine

    A machine doesn't need a home to live in away from work, transportation to and from the work site, payroll taxes, health insurance, or food- just utilities and maybe some maintenance and repairs.

    Maybe we have "more jobs" right now than we would have if wages were higher. At the same time though people working in these low paying jobs are subsidized by taxpayer funded programs to meet their basic living expenses.

    Potentially if higher wages make entering the labor force "worth it" to a larger number of people + some people currently working multiple jobs become able to drop one = we could have the same level of workforce participation or maybe even higher workforce participation than we have right now.

    That net increase would result from higher pay ($509 billion) for people who were employed at higher hourly wages under the bill, offset by lower pay ($175 billion) because of reduced employment under the bill.
    ^^^
    This is fairly simple math. $509 billion in higher pay - $175 billion from reduced employment = $334 billion added to a segment of society that needs it and will spend most (if not all) of this money.

    It should be highly stimulative. Of course businesses wouldn't all see the same cost : benefit results. On the business side there would be winners and losers.
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