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    Originally Posted by Cleveland33 View Post
    How on earth do you get that conclusion from what he said?
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    Originally Posted by iabs View Post
    It is not a matter of disagreement.

    There can not even begin to be a discussion/ debate when the two sides live in completely different realities.
    I always figured this is what “government” was supposed to be

    Our “representatives” discussing and debating with “the other side” for our interests
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    Originally Posted by chaunce54 View Post
    It's literally his MO - he ignores what you actually say and makes a twisted inference to further his narrative
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    Originally Posted by chaunce54 View Post
    No, we used to do it just fine before all of this SJW BS became mainstream, like I said in my first post...
    Ok, so it is possible for you to live in a country where people you disagree with are allowed to vote and ultimately “weigh in” on issues that may inconvenience you to the level of having to prove who you are and submit to a background check when purchasing a firearm?
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    Originally Posted by Skwidward View Post
    Ok, so it is possible for you to live in a country where people you disagree with are allowed to vote and ultimately “weigh in” on issues that may inconvenience you to the level of having to prove who you are and submit to an background check when purchasing a firearm?
    He LITERALLY said that is how it used to be here
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    Originally Posted by Skwidward View Post
    I always figured this is what “government” was supposed to be

    Our “representatives” discussing and debating with “the other side” for our interests
    Well, then you’re as naive as they want you to be.

    Why do you think lobbyists exist?

    Do you think ANY politician can win an election without donations?

    Now go find out where the majority of political campaign contributions come from.
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    Originally Posted by Cleveland33 View Post
    Oh hey look, this game again!
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    No one in this thread said that
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    oh look here we go again with you twisting people's responses and reading what is not actually there
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    How on earth do you get that conclusion from what he said?
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    It's literally his MO - he ignores what you actually say and makes a twisted inference to further his narrative
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    He LITERALLY said that is how it used to be here
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    Originally Posted by Skwidward View Post
    Ok, so it is possible for you to live in a country where people you disagree with are allowed to vote and ultimately “weigh in” on issues that may inconvenience you to the level of having to prove who you are and submit to an background check when purchasing a firearm?
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    You mean like how it used to be?
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    Originally Posted by iabs View Post
    Well, then you’re as naive as they want you to be.

    Why do you think lobbyists exist?

    Do you think ANY politician can win an election without donations?

    Now go find out where the majority of political campaign contributions come from.
    If you read my post again, you’ll notice the word “supposed”

    I’m not denying our government is corrupt

    I was adding to what you had said about two different realities not being able to discuss/debate

    The idea behind a representative government was that different realities were represented in the debate/discussion. This is what government was supposed to be

    I know politics is a touchy subject, but it is possible to have a discussion (I mean us, here)
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    not when they take over your academia and media to subvert your culture and people
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    Originally Posted by Leonydus View Post
    not when they take over your academia and media to subvert your culture and people
    Fair enough

    Another “no”
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    Originally Posted by Skwidward View Post
    Ok, so it is possible for you to live in a country where people you disagree with are allowed to vote and ultimately “weigh in” on issues that may inconvenience you to the level of having to prove who you are and submit to a background check when purchasing a firearm?
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    Fair enough

    Another “no”
    he didn't say no
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    Originally Posted by Cleveland33 View Post
    he didn't say no
    So the left hasn’t taken over your academia and media to subvert your culture and people?
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    Originally Posted by Skwidward View Post
    So the left hasn’t taken over your academia and media to subvert your culture and people?
    if they have taken over academia and media to subvert culture and people, they are fukcing with your life and it's not the same as your original question

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    ... transgender, atheist, satanist, globalist, and betas keep themselves to themselves but are allowed certain respect for holidays etc. and they don’t fukc with your way of life, you don’t fukc with theirs and we all pay taxes and vote?
    Hence:

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    Originally Posted by Cleveland33 View Post
    if they have taken over academia and media to subvert culture and people, they are fukcing with your life and it's not the same as your original question



    Hence:
    The question was:

    So the left hasn’t taken over your academia and media to subvert your culture and people?
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    'Keeping yourself to yourself' politically means not voting, so your whole thread is pointless.
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    Originally Posted by Skwidward View Post
    The question was:

    So the left hasn’t taken over your academia and media to subvert your culture and people?
    That's a side question from your original post.

    My post was to point out that Leonydus did not say no to your original question.
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    Originally Posted by PenorBrahNoHomo View Post
    'Keeping yourself to yourself' politically means not voting, so your whole thread is pointless.
    Depends on its intent
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    Originally Posted by Cleveland33 View Post
    That's a side question from your original post.

    My post was to point out that Leonydus did not say no to your original question.
    He did if he believes the left has taken over his academia and media to subvert his culture and people

    Seeing as you appear to have taken on the role of his spokesperson, The question was:

    So the left hasn’t taken over your academia and media to subvert your culture and people?
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    Originally Posted by Skwidward View Post
    He did if he believes the left has taken over his academia and media to subvert his culture and people

    Seeing as you appear to have taken on the role of his spokesperson, The question was:

    So the left hasn’t taken over your academia and media to subvert your culture and people?
    I'm pretty sure "not when..." indicates that he believes you CAN (which is a yes to your question) without that caveat, which you removed from your original question.
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    I'm pretty sure "not when..." indicates that he believes you CAN (which is a yes to your question) without that caveat, which you removed from your original question.
    Well thanks for clearing that up, Cleveland33

    If his answer is a yes, then we can deduce that as far as Leonydus is concerned, “they” have not taken over our academia and media to subvert our culture and people

    I’m glad you’re here. Sometimes deciphering these posts isn’t so easy.

    I mean, if I asked someone, “Hey, do you think you can jump that canyon on your Harley?”

    And they answered, “not if my Harley doesn’t have any wheels on it,” we now know that such an answer, in fact, is a “yes,” and it also informs us that the Harley does have wheels.

    Super clear

    Thanks again!

    I’m gonna start answer all closed questions with random and irrelevant caveats
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    the answer is no, they tend to take over every key position of a nation. in USA they have taken over our media, academia, and decides who can be a politician. if you zoom out the graph, the right in this country hasn't gained any ground in over 100 years. the eagle got infected with a parasite back in 1913
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    Originally Posted by Skwidward View Post
    Let’s pick one...

    So due to someone voting against your beliefs, your freedoms have been effected in what way?
    Are you this dense?

    A Republican Governor is in Florida

    A Democrat Governor is in California

    I'll let you do the research on the economic and personal freedom differences between these two states during the pandemic.
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    Originally Posted by Ephedra View Post
    Are you this dense?

    A Republican Governor is in Florida

    A Democrat Governor is in California

    I'll let you do the research on the economic and personal freedom differences between these two states during the pandemic.
    But nobody voted on COVID restrictions...

    You’re saying because people you don’t agree with are able to vote, your personal freedoms have been effected by two different states enacting different restrictions during COVID?
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    Originally Posted by Leonydus View Post
    the answer is no, they tend to take over every key position of a nation. in USA they have taken over our media, academia, and decides who can be a politician. if you zoom out the graph, the right in this country hasn't gained any ground in over 100 years. the eagle got infected with a parasite back in 1913
    No? But Cleveland33 said you meant “yes”

    On a serious note, what happened in 1913? (Genuinely, I don’t know)
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    Originally Posted by Skwidward View Post
    If you read my post again, you’ll notice the word “supposed”

    I’m not denying our government is corrupt

    I was adding to what you had said about two different realities not being able to discuss/debate

    The idea behind a representative government was that different realities were represented in the debate/discussion. This is what government was supposed to be

    I know politics is a touchy subject, but it is possible to have a discussion (I mean us, here)
    You wanna have a real meaningful political discussion?

    ok.

    What is your stance on:

    US/ Mexico border
    Immigration
    Healthcare
    1st Ammendment
    2nd Ammendment
    Minimum Wage
    Iran Deal
    Paris Agreement
    Sino-American relations

    Be as specific as your knowledge on the subject allows you to, please.

    Let's start there and maybe we can eventually move on to who gets to use what bathroom, which is a major concern of the left...
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    Originally Posted by Skwidward View Post
    But nobody voted on COVID restrictions...

    You’re saying because people you don’t agree with are able to vote, your personal freedoms have been effected by two different states enacting different restrictions during COVID?
    Voting for a Democrat = less freedom. Hence, people voting Democrat Newsom into the governorship effected my personal freedoms as well as my ability to operate my business as a Californian.

    Fun fact: all states with the most strict totalitarian shutdown policies during covid had Democrat governors.

    You know this but you're playing coy to try and prove a point.
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    Originally Posted by iabs View Post
    You wanna have a real meaningful political discussion?

    ok.

    What is your stance on:

    US/ Mexico border
    Immigration
    Healthcare
    1st Ammendment
    2nd Ammendment
    Minimum Wage
    Iran Deal
    Paris Agreement
    Sino-American relations

    Be as specific as your knowledge on the subject allows you to, please.

    Let's start there and maybe we can eventually move on to who gets to use what bathroom, which is a major concern of the left...
    I would say this is more of an interrogation/mid-term paper assignment than an attempt at a discussion regarding politics.

    But if you mean it, we can go back and pick up where we left off...

    You said: There can not even begin to be a discussion/ debate when the two sides live in completely different realities.

    The point I was making was that I believe it is possible for two sides to have a discussion/debate, even when they live in separate realities
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    Originally Posted by iabs View Post
    The extreme left, you know, the blue hair, militant Socialists, outcasts of society, they hate themselves and want to watch the world burn.

    The rest are neo-liberals who are basically sheep, they have no original thought, no critical thinking, their response to critical socio-political questions is a regurgitated MSM opinion.
    This is so true it's scary
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