This is what bothers me the most with the CoVID Vaccines...

[Midi77]

I first want to state that I'm not an anti-vaxer by an means,, but we hear all over media that these new mRNA vaccines are perfectly safe and that these "experts" are claiming such all over television and the media. The issue is, mRNA vaccines have not been studied long-term and no one knows if they are safe long-term, anyone claiming they are perfectly safe without mentioning this specifically are lying to you, the truth is, they don't know and should be stating they don't know what the long-term implications may be when recommending them, any other response is evasive in terms of safety, safety upfront as well as long-term safety are synonymous and should only be treated as such. When an "expert" states something other than what I stated above, they are not being completely upfront and honest, that's the issue and where mistrust begins to manifest.

How many drugs and medical devices have we seen over the years that clear FDA approval, doctors prescribe them believing they are safe, then down the line we hear they have negative impacts, some including up to death, that then result in them being pulled from the market indefinitely. It happens quite a lot, in this instance, millions and millions of people are now the guinea pigs in this "long-term" study.

[wincel]

Then don't take the mrna vaccine. There is a perfectly good dna vaccine by J&J that just came out and it is expected to do even better against some of the variants around.

[chaunce54]

Also, it hasn't been through full clinical trials, so no thx Jeff.

[Midi77]

Then don't take the mrna vaccine. There is a perfectly good dna vaccine by J&J that just came out and it is expected to do even better against some of the variants around.

That's not the point, the point is, the media, "experts" and politicians have all told us that the other mRNA vaccines are safe and have given them to millions of people already, the truth is, no one knows. It's evasive. This isn't about a personal decision which vaccine to take, it's a collective issue with the evasiveness of the decimation of critical and needed information.

[Tears]

Just lol @ taking any vaccine. Society is so brainwashed very Srs

[Cleveland33]

That's not the point, the point is, the media, "experts" and politicians have all told us that the other mRNA vaccines are safe and have given them to millions of people already, the truth is, no one knows. It's evasive. This isn't about a personal decision which vaccine to take, it's a collective issue with the evasiveness of the decimation of critical and needed information.

Don't question it and just do as you are told. The news said a scientist has deemed it safe, that should be good enough for everyone.

[Retoaded]

That's not the point, the point is, the media, "experts" and politicians have all told us that the other mRNA vaccines are safe and have given them to millions of people already, the truth is, no one knows. It's evasive. This isn't about a personal decision which vaccine to take, it's a collective issue with the evasiveness of the decimation of critical and needed information.

The mRNA targets the specific spike protein on the coronavirus. We create antibodies to destroy it. The only risk would be a naturally occurring protein in the body that is similar in nature to the spike protein of the virus, then you could have a major autoimmune issue. One would think that we know enough about the body to know that that is a potential problem or not.

I agree with you in general the long term risks are still concerning.

[PlanoLifter]

If you're not happy with the prospect have taking the vaccine, don't take it. But as time goes on expect your ability to travel internationally will be restricted if you're not vaccinated.

[wincel]

That's not the point, the point is, the media, "experts" and politicians have all told us that the other mRNA vaccines are safe and have given them to millions of people already, the truth is, no one knows. It's evasive. This isn't about a personal decision which vaccine to take, it's a collective issue with the evasiveness of the decimation of critical and needed information.

That is the point. The vaccines are safe. Safe enough given the circumstances. We don't have the time to do a fuking 10 year study. Get over it.

[Nocturnal310]

they might mandate it for international travel at which point lot of us will have to get it.

considering its been few months and humans havent turned into zombies or died..we should be okay?

[ApeXXXPredator]

It's not even really a vaccine

[wincel]

It's not even really a vaccine

900iq take

[PlanoLifter]

they might mandate it for international travel at which point lot of us will have to get it.

considering its been few months and humans havent turned into zombies or died..we should be okay?

I'm pretty sure it will be mandated for international travel. I'm hearing several airlines talking about mandating it for such travel. And you can bet that more countries will impose mandatory quarantines for those arriving who are not vaccinated.

[Cleveland33]

they might mandate it for international travel at which point lot of us will have to get it.

considering its been few months and humans havent turned into zombies or died..we should be okay?

Iceland is the only place I had any interest in going buuuut Rogue carved a Husafell replica that is here in the States so I guess I don't have to worry about that.

[InstantLoser]

That is the point. The vaccines are safe. Safe enough given the circumstances. We don't have the time to do a fuking 10 year study. Get over it.

Kinda like vaping was "safe" until (gasp) people did it long enough and found out it wasn't.

[jeffl1980]

That is the point. The vaccines are safe. Safe enough given the circumstances. We don't have the time to do a fuking 10 year study. Get over it.

The circumstances? I’m healthy with no underlining conditions. I do not smoke or drink. What is my chance of recovery if I catch Covid?

I think I’ll take the risk of catching it, knowing that I will more than likely have minor symptoms at most.

[Midi77]

That is the point. The vaccines are safe. Safe enough given the circumstances. We don't have the time to do a fuking 10 year study. Get over it.

You still didn't address my point as to why these "experts" would vouch for the safety of mRNA vaccines when long-term implications are not yet known, long-term and short-term impacts should be synonymous and stated dependently of one another. Do they have crystal balls we don't know about? In this world of "disinfomartion", you would think you of all people would be a proponent of full disclosure.

[PlanoLifter]

Iceland is the only place I had any interest in going buuuut Rogue carved a Husafell replica that is here in the States so I guess I don't have to worry about that.

If you do get the chance to go to Iceland I highly recommend it. I spent two weeks camping and travelling across the interior of Iceland in Land Rovers including hiking up glaciers, staying in tourist huts, using the (almost) natural hot tubs, visiting hot springs and geysers, etc. Iceland has nothing North America does not in terms of geography but it's all in one small place in Iceland.

[QuentinSutpen]

Between the vaccines and the Covid lockdowns -- I'll take my chances with the vaccine. I just wanna' get back to life again

[Cleveland33]

If you do get the chance to go to Iceland I highly recommend it. I spent two weeks camping and travelling across the interior of Iceland in Land Rovers including hiking up glaciers, staying in tourist huts, using the (almost) natural hot tubs, visiting hot springs and geysers, etc. Iceland has nothing North America does not in terms of geography but it's all in one small place in Iceland.

It is the only place I would consider flying for but even still would love to see if I could find a trans-Atlantic cruise

[frankdtank20]

Iceland is the only place I had any interest in going buuuut Rogue carved a Husafell replica that is here in the States so I guess I don't have to worry about that.

In this section of the misc don't expect people will understand.

[Midi77]

If you're not happy with the prospect have taking the vaccine, don't take it. But as time goes on expect your ability to travel internationally will be restricted if you're not vaccinated.

As I said, this isn't about my personal decision to take it or not, just the fact that "experts", who do know better I should add, are selling millions of people on the safety of mRNA vaccines, when the reality is, long-term implications on safety are not known, full disclosure is key in this case and they are not diligently promoting such.

[PlanoLifter]

It is the only place I would consider flying for but even still would love to see if I could find a trans-Atlantic cruise

If and when it's up and running again I would highly recommend the Queen Mary 2. It's a different experience than the typical cruise ship. My wife and I really enjoyed it.

[wincel]

You still didn't address my point as to why these "experts" would vouch for the safety of mRNA vaccines when long-term implications are not yet known, long-term and short-term impacts should be synonymous and stated dependently of one another. Do they have crystal balls we don't know about? In this world of "disinfomartion", you would think you of all people would be a proponent of full disclosure.

Because we have scientific theories and a thorough understanding of the pathways involved, you moron. There are no long term effects. It'a a fuking spike protein. It can't have any worse effects than the actual virus would. It's gone from your system within a month. As in zero record of it ever having been there except your immunological memory of the antibodies to it. The only place this can possibly fuk up is if the antibodies u form bind ur own chit, leading to an attack your own cells somehow. This type of allergic response can happen, but it is very very rare, and would likely have happened if you got the virus just the same.

Listen. If you don't have a fuking education in virology and aren't a fuking doctor, can you just shut the actual fuk up and listen to the people who know wtf they are talking about? Or are you going to keep crying until you are "100%" sure it will be safe for you? Because it will never be that. You will never know.

Every single thing you do carries a risk. You need to compare the vaccine risk to the risk of catching the virus and having negative effects. It's a pretty trivial thing to compare and see which is worse.

Hopefully they will force u idiots to take it. Otherwise, one can only hope you get covid and survive so that you are another immune case and we can move closer to herd immunity.

[Retoaded]

Iceland is the only place I had any interest in going buuuut Rogue carved a Husafell replica that is here in the States so I guess I don't have to worry about that.

Rogue: For $250 we'll sell you this bag of sand.

[BIGJIMSLADE22]

If it was perfectly safe like they say, then they would not have had to insist on zero liability for anything that happens to anybody who takes it.

....and they are not vaccines.

[Ten_Hearts]

So what data is it you are looking for? How long forward are you looking in regards to potential complications? It would seem the data you are looking for is what would generally be taken in as post marking surveillance for any other drug as well.

[Cleveland33]

Rogue: For $250 we'll sell you this bag of sand.

I think Rogue is very reasonable when you look at the high end brands.

[nin-com-poop]

There are a couple people I follow where one has done a lot of research (not Alex Jones but wouldn't discredit his personal research) on this and the other one has a daughter that is an immunologist. They both say that the mRNA is bad news.

[MajorTendonitis]

We Canadians get it dead last , so hopefully they get the bugs out by then