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    Originally Posted by Noliberals4 View Post
    Well what was the intent?

    If you drive 140 MPH+ on a busy street for a "thrill," you are a thrill killer.
    you should pursue your Juris Doctor and make it your goal to prosecute speeders for murder. Report back.
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    Originally Posted by DeputyDong5 View Post
    but I cannot emphasize enough how bad Americans are at driving. This is the likely differentiator.
    Amen.

    You just can't trust that other drivers are qualified or paying attention. And it is all the time.
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    Originally Posted by Noliberals4 View Post
    Not expanding it. What the idiots in the OP did is no different than grabbing a gun and shooting at people on a highway.
    So you think he drove the car purposefully into the car, right?

    You’re legal analysis is misguided.

    There’s a reason most states have mans.
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    Originally Posted by DeputyDong5 View Post
    you should pursue your Juris Doctor and make it your goal to prosecute speeders for murder. Report back.
    Where did I say speeding is murder?
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    Originally Posted by topperstyle View Post
    So you think he drove the car purposefully into the car, right?
    Yes, of course.
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    Originally Posted by katya422 View Post
    Agree, but the problem is people who think they are able to speed safely and are wrong.
    Yes, that's the problem. Most people who speed are actually responsible i.e. they evaluate their skills and situation adequately (at least in Europe, can't speak for USA as I have never been there), but unfortunately there is always a few of those who don't and ruin things for everyone.
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    Originally Posted by Noliberals4 View Post
    No, I did not. I understood fully what you were saying, and it doesn't make sense. Knives are not made with the intent to kill either (using your logic). So if a guy grabs a knife and starts stabbing random people he shouldn't be charged with murder?

    Also, cars can be used to kill (see: Nice terrorist attack or Santa Monica terrorist attack back in 2003ish).


    Because you are taking this very personally. Acting very guilty.
    It’s been said before man. Intent. You are asserting his intention.

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    Originally Posted by Ironmanlet View Post
    It’s been said before man. Intent. You are asserting his intention.
    Let me ask you this:

    You said this earlier: "Not comparable to a car or how we use cars at all."

    So how do we use cars? Explain what you meant by that statement.
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    Originally Posted by 2Chad4You View Post
    You are still retarded. I literally said on first page that driving that fast on such a busy road is not ok (unless left line is clear which is when crash shouldn't happen even if you drive fast. If someone merges from right line to left and causes crash they are at fault as they didn't check mirrors and evaluate situation). What I'm trying to say you can drive very fast very safely in specific situations if you have adequate skill and situational awareness.
    no ****, you can drive 200 mph if you have the skill and no one is on the road.

    u are too retarded to realize that speed is an factor for accidents, even when you are not at fault.

    go drive 120+mph on the reg daily in the US. I just hope you crash into a wall and not another car.
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    Originally Posted by Ironmanlet View Post
    It’s been said before man. Intent. You are asserting his intention.

    The law doesn’t agree with you, people ITT don’t agree with you, your boyfriend doesn’t agree with you.
    Intent and chance causing death is what matters. What law says is not really an argument though as there have been plenty of examples where laws were morally wrong (i.e. Slavery in USA, nazism and genocide in Nazi Germany, etc.).
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    Originally Posted by Noliberals4 View Post
    Let me ask you this:

    You said this earlier: "Not comparable to a car or how we use cars at all."

    So how do we use cars? Explain what you meant by that statement.
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    Originally Posted by Noliberals4 View Post
    Let me ask you this:

    You said this earlier: "Not comparable to a car or how we use cars at all."

    So how do we use cars? Explain what you meant by that statement.
    We don't arm soldiers with Cars to "protect our country"

    We don't arm police with Cars in order to "protect the common good"

    People don't purchase cars for "home defense"

    The primary utility of a car is transportation. This is not a difficult concept to grasp.
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    Originally Posted by Ironmanlet View Post
    I have spent too much time trying to reason with an unreasonable person already.
    Answer the question. What is the intent of using a car? I have been answering all your questions/arguments in good faith, so answer my question.
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    Originally Posted by littlecaesars59 View Post
    no ****, you can drive 200 mph if you have the skill and no one is on the road.

    u are too retarded to realize that speed is an factor for accidents, even when you are not at fault.

    go drive 120+mph on the reg daily in the US. I just hope you crash into a wall and not another car.
    I don't live in USA. Maybe most of you have spatial awareness and coordination of jason genova making speeding there really dangerous, but as I said previously, Germany has less incidents per mile driven despite fukton of dudes doing 150 mph as a part of their daily commute.
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    Originally Posted by 2Chad4You View Post
    I don't live in USA. Maybe most of you have spatial awareness and coordination of jason genova making speeding there really dangerous, but as I said previously, Germany has less incidents per mile driven despite fukton of dudes doing 150 mph as a part of their daily commute.
    lol my dad was stationed in Germany and when he came back to the U.S. he got like 20 speeding tickets because he was so used to the Auto Bahn.

    I agree with you - we should at least at the minimum up the speed limit from 65 MPH to 85 MPH on some free/highways like the I-5 in California.
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    Originally Posted by 2Chad4You View Post
    I don't live in USA. Maybe most of you have spatial awareness and coordination of jason genova making speeding there really dangerous, but as I said previously, Germany has less incidents per mile driven despite fukton of dudes doing 150 mph as a part of their daily commute.
    that is the autobahn u stupid fk.

    article is in the US. we've been talking in MPH.

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    People don't purchase cars for "home defense"
    This guy did.

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    Originally Posted by WildBill112 View Post
    We don't arm police with Cars in order to "protect the common good"
    TIL police don't use cars. Actually just kidding, they do:



    Originally Posted by WildBill112 View Post
    The primary utility of a car is transportation. .
    It's not to thrill ride at 140 MPH+ on a busy street? So you agree with me.
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    Originally Posted by 2Chad4You View Post
    There are times when you can do 140+ mph safely. Obviously doing that in a busy street like in a video is not one of such cases, but I hate when people say speeding is reckless and should be punished heavily no matters the situation. I don't endanger anyone if I go for a fast drive on empty curvy roads at 4am and slow down to safe speed in time if I see someone oncoming.
    For the record, I am a car guy myself but what you are posting here is completely ridiculous. Going 140 mph on any public road is purely reckless. How do you know the road is empty? If you have spotters ahead then possibly. At 4 am in the dark going 140 mph you think you can "slow down in time" on a curvy road when you see something either in the way, coming towards you, or merging into your lane? On top of that, if your car has an issue it can be lights out for you and anyone around you.

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    Originally Posted by Noliberals4 View Post
    Answer the question. What is the intent of using a car? I have been answering all your questions/arguments in good faith, so answer my question.
    Here is the basic premise you miss and how you continually misrepresent the situaion

    1. This is a, as another user described it "ghetto cars and coffee", somewhat controlled in a somewhat closed off street
    2. The driver had told participants prior to this "i'm going to be doing a flyby" driving a a high rate of speed
    3. The driver did this, but just ran out of skill

    Murder, as other users have described it, required intent to kill. The problem with your comparison to the guy shooting is that obviously there's a single outcome of a guy shooting a gun in a crowded space at random, this is not the case in the incident above.

    A better comparison would be that at a gun range in a semi-controlled setting someone fires a stray bullet and kills someone. This would probably end up with similar charges as this incident, because there's no intent to kill.
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    Originally Posted by WildBill112 View Post
    The problem with your comparison to the guy shooting is that obviously there's a single outcome of a guy shooting a gun in a crowded space at random, this is not the case in the incident above.
    There's also an obvious single outcome of a guy driving 140 MPH+ on a busy street for thrills.

    See the OP for more details.

    Originally Posted by WildBill112 View Post
    A better comparison would be that at a gun range in a semi-controlled setting someone fires a stray bullet and kills someone. This would probably end up with similar charges as this incident, because there's no intent to kill.
    LOL what? Not even close. A stray bullet would obviously be an accident. And the purpose of a gun range IS TO SHOOT A GUN. The purpose of a freeway/highway IS NOT TO THRILL RIDE AT 140 MPH+.

    Wow.

    A better comparison would be if you're at a gun range, and then you take the gun, cover your eyes, and start shooting randomly outside of the permitted target zones. If you kill 3 people, that's murder.
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    Originally Posted by 2Chad4You View Post

    This lol. Per million miles driven no-limit autobahn has less accidents, injuries and fatalities than US highway. There's a fukton of guys who just drive 150+ mph every day to their work and back home and never get in accident.
    I have driven on the autobahn. First off, the roads there are much much better. Its illegal to pass on the right on the autobahn. People are expecting HIGH SPEED on those roads.

    BRB cruising down the highway with my family in the US at 70 and someone DB passes me at 150+ mph on the right = the same as driving on the autobahn. GTFO.......
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    Can we take a minute and just appreciate how safe these pony cars are

    140mph and the driver nearly walked away.
    no one thinks that srs
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    There are accidents, even if someone is a bit careless, or especailly just stupid.. That's one thing. What this guy did, I don't see how he imagined it coming out. Thinking he was going to do the ultimate blowby I don't know, but now people are hurt or killed.

    Back in the day, I went to car meets. Even did some back road street racing, but stopped going because of phaggots like this that did risky things that could have gone badly. Gladly, they never got that bad. We had one guy wreck his car pretty bad, but nobody was hurt.
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    Originally Posted by Noliberals4 View Post
    So if a guy grabs a knife and starts stabbing random people he shouldn't be charged with murder?
    That would be murder if they died, they are purposely using the knife in such a way to effect the death of a person. Which classification is up to the law to decide.

    It's possible, but I doubt this person woke up in the morning and thought to himself that he would purposely drive his car into people to kill them. This driver was reckless and deserves to be punished for the death(s). But as far as we know, it was an accident made by bad decisions, not someone who intentionally wanted to murder people. You're can't change the definition of a word (intent) to suit your narrative. He'll be charged with murder, but there are different degrees of murder and I doubt intent will be involved.
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    Originally Posted by 2Chad4You View Post
    Ok you are retarded, it all makes sense now. I never said that driving 120+ mph makes you a good driver or vice versa. I'm saying there are plenty of people who can drive safer at 120+ mph than average person does at 40.
    too many factors come up when going 120+ it is absurd yo say some are safer at 120+ than avg driver at 40. all it takes is a little nail or debris on the road and at 120+ thats a blowout. yea in wide open roads with clear visibility its no danger to others but on city roads/hwys its always foolish.
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    Originally Posted by Slie View Post
    It's possible, but I doubt this person woke up in the morning and thought to himself that he would purposely drive his car into people to kill them.
    That would be easier to believe if he didn't drive 140 MPH+ for thrill seeking on a busy highway.
    Originally Posted by Slie View Post
    This driver was reckless and deserves to be punished for the death(s). But as far as we know, it was an accident made by bad decisions,
    Driving 140 MPH+ for thrills is an accident? What, was he being brainwashed by the little Red Devil on his shoulder?

    This was NOT an "accident."
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