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    Originally Posted by CaliSuperSport View Post
    I know half the time you're doing brainlet level trolling, but still...You need serious fukin help



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    Now do the America they don't want you to see. Nitpick and cherrypick all you want. Judge all the worst examples you can find. You can't erase the incredible achievements of their civilization, and you can't change the trend. You may bitterly hate them, but I hope any Chinese reading this understand that not all Americans hate the Chinese. Some of us want a better world for all of us and are willing to work together to get there.

    And there is nothing inherently wrong with eating dog, racoon, etc. These are cultural decisions we have made. Most Chinese don't eat dogs, but in rural areas, I am sure some do. Some Americans eat gators and snakes. You eat what you can. If the best you can come up with is showing a few homeless people sleeping on the floor and some people eating dogs, I'd say China is doing fuking fantastically. Have you seen what life was like under Mao?

    And again, I can find you examples of Americans on drugs sleeping on the roads in our cities too. It doesn't take much work. I can find you backwater towns in the south where people still use outhouses and barely have running water. Surely you realize how biased your sample is here, and how it simply serves as propaganda.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Because I don't think it's better than Portland.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Now do the America they don't want you to see.
    Huh? Media reminds us every hour how terrible America is. And foreign news agencies show us how terrible our politicians are.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    I feel similarly about India, but they have some issues that China has solved. But yes, I believe India can reinvent itself as well and has also taken enormous strides in the right direction. There doesn't need to be a competition. The US can work closely with India and China.
    Yeah, it's hard for me to argue with the Jews eradicating poverty(srs), even if it comes through slavery(not srs).

    I am genuinely happy that Chinese people experience less suffering but not if it's at the expense of America.

    Guess it's not all bad =].
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    And JimOfRaleigh is telling us poverty has been wiped in the US because of Biden.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Now do the America they don't want you to see. Nitpick and cherrypick all you want. Judge all the worst examples you can find. You can't erase the incredible achievements of their civilization, and you can't change the trend. You may bitterly hate them, but I hope any Chinese reading this understand that not all Americans hate the Chinese. Some of us want a better world for all of us and are willing to work together to get there.
    What you're doing is the equivalent of praising Nazi Germany for their rapid rise out of poverty preceding World War 2. And also like Nazi Germany, Communist China has substantial manufacturing infrastructure, courtesy of Corporate America, which is being used to rapidly modernize and build up their military.

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    Huh? Media reminds us every hour how terrible America is. And foreign news agencies show us how terrible our politicians are.
    Right so instead of nitpicking and making it a pissing contest, we could step back and look at how the average trends are. China has certainly done a great deal to reduce poverty and improve propserity in their country. They have also done a great deal to reduce pollution and clean up their industrial centers. Things are getting better.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    China has certainly done a great deal to reduce poverty and improve propserity in their country.
    China "didn't build that", America did.

    China loves to claim credit for what they had nothing to do with.

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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Look at their cities man. You can't fake entire cities. China is in business. They are really doing well, and their people went from not having plumbing and living off farmland to living in massive cities full of modern technology. It really is an incredible story, and no matter how much you hate China, you have to look at it with some degree of pride on behalf of our species.



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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Right so instead of nitpicking and making it a pissing contest, we could step back and look at how the average trends are. China has certainly done a great deal to reduce poverty and improve propserity in their country. They have also done a great deal to reduce pollution and clean up their industrial centers. Things are getting better.
    Yeah at monumental cost to civil and basic human rights. Much less to liberty.

    No thanks, wincel. Jesus fukin christ....
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    Originally Posted by tunafishha View Post
    But who was 2/3 of the West continent?



    That depends on the race of the reader.
    By 1936, the Germans had eliminated poverty and had slave labor/death camps.
    Sound familiar?

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    Originally Posted by dabbmw2002 View Post
    finally communism solved poverty, only took a few hundred million lives.....well done!!
    China is a capitalist player in the world economy while implementing communism that is not in it's most basic form in it's own country
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    What you're doing is the equivalent of praising Nazi Germany for their rapid rise out of poverty preceding World War 2. And also like Nazi Germany, Communist China has substantial manufacturing infrastructure, courtesy of Corporate America, which is being used to rapidly modernize and build up their military.

    You're putting lipstick on an authoritarian pig.
    China is not nazi Germany. There is minimal credible evidence, if any, of a widespread genocide. IDK whether they have or have not slaughtered Uighur muslims. I am sure there are plenty of atrocities, as is usually the case with any situation like this. However, even in this case, their solution was far more humane than the way we tried to resolve our muslim terrorist issue. Theirs actually seems to work. They have not aggressively invaded other nations the way Nazi Germany has. Nothing China has done is remotely like Nazi Germany. The time they most resembled Nazi Germany in brutality was under Mao. They have come a long way since then, and I think things are getting better, not worse. They are certainly building up their military, and frankly, I don't blame them given the incredible amount of hate they get from every country, and the fact that they have to be able to remain defended against Russia, India, and US/SK interests. They have proposed an NFU nuclear policy, and have been fairly compliant with UN international law, unlike our own nation.

    Is China perfect? No. It is still deeply rooted in an authoritarian communist state, and the practices under Mao still carry forward today. Their people are not free. Their government routinely violates human rights. All of that said, they are moving in the right direction imo.

    Originally Posted by Abzu View Post
    China "didn't build that", America did.

    China loves to claim credit for what they had nothing to do with.

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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    China is not nazi Germany. There is minimal credible evidence, if any, of a widespread genocide. IDK whether they have or have not slaughtered Uighur muslims. I am sure there are plenty of atrocities, as is usually the case with any situation like this. However, even in this case, their solution was far more humane than the way we tried to resolve our muslim terrorist issue. Theirs actually seems to work. They have not aggressively invaded other nations the way Nazi Germany has. Nothing China has done is remotely like Nazi Germany. The time they most resembled Nazi Germany in brutality was under Mao. They have come a long way since then, and I think things are getting better, not worse. They are certainly building up their military, and frankly, I don't blame them given the incredible amount of hate they get from every country, and the fact that they have to be able to remain defended against Russia, India, and US/SK interests. They have proposed an NFU nuclear policy, and have been fairly compliant with UN international law, unlike our own nation.

    Is China perfect? No. It is still deeply rooted in an authoritarian communist state, and the practices under Mao still carry forward today. Their people are not free. Their government routinely violates human rights. All of that said, they are moving in the right direction imo.
    Stop thinking about World War 2 Germany and think about Germany preceding World War 2, this will help your understanding.

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    Originally Posted by CaliSuperSport View Post
    Yeah at monumental cost to civil and basic human rights. Much less to liberty.

    No thanks, wincel. Jesus fukin christ....
    Yeah well the cool thing is it isn't our debate to make. We should probably worry about our own country, and let them figure out how to run theirs. Their people can decide what sort of government they want. It isn't our place to sit here and judge them. It's like when Canadians, Russians, and Australians post on here telling us how America should be. It's not their business. Would I like to see the Chinese have more ability to criticize their government and have basic human rights? Yeah probably. You know the UK thinks healthcare is a human right and thinks we are backwards and awful for not providing our citizens healthcare too. LOL. Opinions are like asshoels. Everyone has one. Fortunately, I don't live in China. I don't have to deal with Xi Jinping's bs or live in fear of the Chinese government disappearing me. And I am grateful for that. But starting a trade war, sanctions, or even full scale military assaults won't help the Chinese people who suffer. None of that will help anyone.

    If you really want to change China, expand the US' influence in international organizations and continue to export American culture and values via media and corporate influence. We've already been successful at this to an extent. Let's keep going and see where we end up. China has changed dramatically since Mao. We are having an effect on them, and they are having an effect on us. We share this planet. We need to all work to find a way to coexist peacefully.

    I'll also add that our country almost became a failed state due to our freedom. I have to wonder how well it would work in China. Maybe they are right about how to setup their government. Maybe we get to have freedoms they don't because of our population and certain properties of American life. But maybe we are right there on the cusp of where this is possible. India is far more free than China, and yet far far more dysfunctional. It makes you wonder.

    I don't think any of you care much for China at all. I think you just hate China. It's not about improving the situation for Chinese people. You don't give a chit about these people. It's not about helping our species (which btw, would mean helping China and India more than anyone since these two nations have the most people...). It's just hate. USA #1, etc. Cool story, bro.
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    Would live in Arkansas over that **** (srs)
    I think I would, too. All of these cities in China LOOK gorgeous. However...who would want to live amid all of that splendor with a social credit system to deal with? Arkansas would DEFINITELY be better than that.

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    Originally Posted by Conspirabrah View Post
    I think I would, too. All of these cities in China LOOK gorgeous. However...who would want to live amid all of that splendor with a social credit system to deal with? Arkansas would DEFINITELY be better than that.

    By the way, guys: A "Chinese" style of living is coming for all of us by 2030-per the globalists. By 2030, the folks behind the "Great Reset" want us ALL living in shiny "smart cities", being governed(controlled) by A.I.
    Cameras everywhere, analyzing everything you do.
    Billboards that display those with bad social credit, chastising you.
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    This might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.
    China would not be where it is today if America didn't allow it and America didn't have to, our power structure chose it.
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    Cameras everywhere, analyzing everything you do.
    Billboards that display those with bad social credit, chastising you.
    Speak negatively about the government and how they are running your society, you are punished.
    Low crime. Free healthcare and education. Govt job programs. There's a tradeoff. And it's their society, not ours. Their people support their government.

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    China would not be where it is today if America didn't allow it and we didn't have to, our power structure chose it.
    LOL we didn't "allow" them to get the bomb. They got it anyway. They would have gotten here with or without us. We just helped a bit (and helped ourselves greatly in the process btw). I personally like having a wide range of affordable products. Globalism has allowed me to have many luxuries I would not have otherwise had.
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    Low crime. Free healthcare and education. Govt job programs. There's a tradeoff. And it's their society, not ours. Their people support their government.
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    Why do you assume everyone is like us? You know how mad Trumpers got when told to wear a mask? That's Americans for you. In China, they tell people to wear a mask, and people just do. It's a different society. Different culture. Being an asshoel isn't celebrated there the way it is here. Everything is team and for society. The US is all about individualism and personal pride. These are very different cultures. Each has its own strengths and weaknesses. I don't see why you think they should have the same system we do. And who are we to tell them so?

    If the Chinese seek to change their government, they will. They already have. Xi Jinping is radically different from Mao.
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    Why do you assume everoyne is like us? You know how mad Trumpers got when told to wear a mask? That's Americans for you. In China, they tell people to wear a mask, and people just do. It's a different society. Different culture. Being an asshoel isn't celebrated there the way it is here. Everything is team and for society. The US is all about individualism and personal pride. These are very different cultures. Each has its own strengths and weaknesses. I don't see why you think they should have the same system we do. And who are we to tell them so?

    If the Chinese seek to change their government, they will. They already have. Xi Jinping is radically different from Mao.
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    What happened when people in Tiananmen Square spoke out against their government?
    They were murdered. What happened when slaves spoke out against the US institutions that upheld slavery? They also died...until enough people decided to change the system. In China, their system is as it is because the majority of their people support it. China isn't hotly divided and on the verge of civil war the way the US is. They are mostly united. If someone wanted to start a war in America to install Trump as emperor or to get rid of Trumpers, I'd understand them wanting to try to intervene since they clearly have a huge amount of support here either way. I don't understand what we hope to achieve by being "tough on China" via sanctions or even outright war. None of it will change anything. If we tried to do anything to China, it would just hurt everyone and achieve nothing. When Chinese sentiment changes, their government changes. We've already seen that happen. And it was through our cultural influence more than anything else that that was achieved. So why not stick to what works?
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    They were murdered. What happened when slaves spoke out against the US institutions that upheld slavery? They also died...until enough people decided to change the system. In China, their system is as it is because the majority of their people support it. China isn't hotly divided and on the verge of civil war the way the US is. They are mostly united. If someone wanted to start a war in America to install Trump or to get rid of Trumpers, I'd understand them wanting to try to intervene since they clearly have a huge amount of support here either way. I don't understand what we hope to achieve by being "tough on China" via sanctions or even outright war. None of it will change anything. If we tried to do anything to China, it would just hurt everyone and achieve nothing. When Chinese sentiment changes, their government changes. We've already seen that happen. And it was through our cultural influence more than anything else that that was achieved. So why not stick to what works?
    Relative to the point you are trying to make, there is a stark contrast between US & China, one that renders your point fundamentally invalid.

    In the United States, there are laws & protections that allow US Citizens to speak out and defend themselves against a Tyrannical Government. They are also allowed to vote for their local, state, & federal leaders.

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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    Relative to the point you are trying to make, there is a stark contrast between US & China, one that renders your point fundamentally invalid.

    In the United States, there are laws & protections that allow US Citizens to speak out and defend themselves against a Tyrannical Government. They are also allowed to vote for their local, state, & federal leaders.

    In China, there are no laws and provisions for Chinese Citizens in that regard.
    Right. Becuase they want it that way. If they wanted it our way, you would see mass uprisings. There would be daily terrorist campaigns and chit from the Chinese people against their government. That's not happening. Their people don't want freedom enough to fight for it.

    We also have an absolute dogchit record of nation building. So far, we had one nation turn out ok. South Korea. Everything else went to chit. Every time we try, it usually blows up in our faces...literally. There's no point. You can't have a government without the support of its people. North Koreans are still willing to starve to death to support that fuking moron. Our sanctions achieve nothing. Our entire approach is wrong.

    I think we get more yield from psyops and sparking protests and spreading awareness than we do from actual warfare, sanctions, etc. I don't think any of this other crap like the stunts Trump pulled or anything else will ever change China's behavior. I think to change their behavior, you need to show them your way is better and win them over by influence.

    And considering how fuked up the US is now, I don't think we have any grounds to claim we have a better way. Imagine if they had the kind of division and misinformation we do in their media. You know how Portland has had some bad riots? Multiply that by like 100 and you get what would happen in Beijing. That's a huge nothxJeiFuLi from the Chinese government.
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    Right. Becuase they want it that way. If they wanted it our way, you would see mass uprisings.
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    Why would there be mass uprisings?
    Because when people want change to happen, they make it happen. Right now, China is doing quite well. The average Chinese person has food, a job, feels relatively safe in their society, and loves their country. They don't have the freedoms we have, but they also don't really notice or care. They don't feel an overwhelming need to fight. They don't feel oppressed. In the US, let's suppose some miscer worse than Trump got elected. Let's suppose he wanted to turn America into a white nationalist theocracy. I would feel an overwhelming need to do something about it. Right now, I don't feel that need. Biden won. America will go on. When things get bad enough, people will fight. You know how Ireland got their independence right? It's the same story everywhere. Freedom isn't free. You fight for it, and you have to want to fight for it. Right now, life just isn't that bad for the Chinese. You know the morons that stormed our Capitol? They fought for it. At least they believe in something even if they were misled. I can respect that. If you genuinely believe your elections were stolen, you certainly would want to fight for it. But most of you know Trump is just a bullchitter. That's why you don't fight. And as much as you piss and moan about Biden, your life isn't really all that different or worse under him. There is no immediate need for you to fight so you don't. People in Syria feel differently. That's why they are fighting a civil war over there.

    If China ever comes to the brink of civil war, the US can maybe start looking at strategic ways to topple the Chinese government. Until then, there is no sense in it. They already had their civil war, and the commies won by a landslide. They purged millions. The war is over. Change came from within over time due to influence and showing them what works. Nothing else did it.
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    Because when people want change to happen, they make it happen. Right now, China is doing quite well. The average Chinese person has food, a job, feels relatively safe in their society, and loves their country. They don't have the freedoms we have, but they also don't really notice or care. They don't feel an overwhelming need to fight. They don't feel oppressed. In the US, let's suppose some miscer worse than Trump got elected. Let's suppose he wanted to turn America into a white nationalist theocracy. I would feel an overwhelming need to do something about it. Right now, I don't feel that need. Biden won. America will go on. When things get bad enough, people will fight. You know how Ireland got their independence right? It's the same story everywhere. Freedom isn't free. You fight for it, and you have to want to fight for it. Right now, life just isn't that bad for the Chinese. You know the morons that stormed our Capitol? They fought for it. At least they believe in something even if they were misled. I can respect that. If you genuinely believe your elections were stolen, you certainly would want to fight for it. But most of you know Trump is just a bullchitter. That's why you don't fight.
    I respect those Morons that stormed the Capitol too, braver than I could ever hope to be. Imagine if someone stormed the Great Hall and put their feet on Xi's desk?


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