Buh-bye Covid

[thadderbox]

Talks of herd immunity being a real possibility by April, if not summer -- but then proposes the struggle that (mostly) Democratic governors don't want to give up their restrictions and power essentially.

Going back to normal is frightening to them, people will lose money on special interest or restrictions.

Think about it, if Fauci says vaccines prevent transmission and even stop asymptomatic spread, then why wear masks? Why continue to distance?

Something seems really off, and when the real fact of the matter happens that people will develop immunity to it from either catching it or the vaccine, then we might see more news articles insighting fear.

[thadderbox]

They already found out how weak and controllable people are, do you really think this is ever going away? inb4 covid-234 by 2030. wear your triple masks, only 2 more weeks to flatten the curve, dont kill granny, etc.

We have been divided and dehumanized, they will never let this stop, this is step 1 in the communist playbook is control the population.

Also I believe that Trump wanted to fire Fauci at one point, under Biden Fauci seems to be enjoying his time in the sun and unlimited power.

[Scarrdbutsmartr]

LOL - If you think things are ever going back to normal because of the vaccine.

I work in an industry that is heavily impacted and we do work for/with the government. The company restructured some of its loans and the loans are based upon business picking back up in 2024. We didnt pick these dates based off a dart board but discussions with the government and health officials to ensure we provide contractually obligated services.

....another words the entities told us to prepare our business for significant impact from Covid until 2024.

[Dave22reborn]

but you still:

- must wear your mask, in fact double mask
- dont dine in a restaurant
- listen to lord fauci

Illinois of all places allows 50% dine in capacity. Almost thankful to live here instead of Canada, Western Europe or Australia.

[Mr Beer]

Life will be “back to normal” within developed nations by the end of the year I’d guess, but I also think international travel is not going back to normal any time soon because people will likely need some sort of proof of vaccination to fly in and out of these nations. So industries that hang off easy international travel won’t just bounce back straight away. Also I’m not any kind of industrial expert but I’m guessing some industries that have effectively had to shut down can’t just come back immediately and will require time as well.

Tl;dr mostly back to normal by end of year, but not for overseas travel and some other industries.

[Venom08]

They already found out how weak and controllable people are, do you really think this is ever going away? inb4 covid-234 by 2030. wear your triple masks, only 2 more weeks to flatten the curve, dont kill granny, etc.

We have been divided and dehumanized, they will never let this stop, this is step 1 in the communist playbook is control the population.

I went to Great Clips earlier this week. Apparently they now have this policy where unless you're getting your haircut, you can't be inside. Well this elderly muslim couple walked in and the husband was told 30 min wait until his haircut and his wife must wait outside. They came back 30 mins later and both walked in. The fuking hairstylist started telling the wife to get out as if a stray dog had entered her restaurant. It was sickening. And people wonder how the Germans allowed the Nazis to do what they did. I now see hundreds of Nazis every single day. Americans are no different. I can bet you within a minute, I can show you a bish who would be pushing the jews and invalids into the cattle cars 80 years ago.

[Polaris]

Some of us appreciate that side effect. Thanks for the free vasectomy.

If that was a guaranteed side effect, I might consider getting it.

[litljay]

Wasn’t the single dose even higher after 2 weeks? The original figures for protection were lower because they got them prior to 2 weeks.

I could be wrong though I’m just going off memory.

For J&J? Not sure. Just going by what the article about the FDA approval was quoting. If you are talking about Pfizer and Moderna, the numbers being quoted in articles are claiming:

Mayo Clinic findings show vaccine gives 75% protection 15 days after 1st dose, rising to 83% after 36 days; figure climbs to 89% for people who received both doses (from: https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-stu...ses-with-time/)

Edit to add this claiming 92% efficacy based on the original docs submitted to FDA by Pfizer & Moderna: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2036242. Even before the second dose, BNT162b2 was highly efficacious, with a vaccine efficacy of 92.6%, a finding similar to the first-dose efficacy of 92.1% reported for the mRNA-1273 vaccine (Moderna).3

Well, the current two-dose vaxes are being rolled out to at-risk people right now, so we would want them to be 95% effective with two doses. Once they can mass produce the one-shot-and-done J&J vax, that should be good enough to give to people who aren't going to get super sick or die anyway and get us to herd immunity and finally end all this. The J&J should be the one you can just schedule an appointment at CVS and go take. Pfizer and Moderna are much more difficult to mass produce and distribute because of the temperature handling required.

ARen't we passed the super susceptible? Here in Cali we are in the phase 1b with includes ages 65+, teachers, and food and ag workers.

[isingmodel]

So trump was right when he said the virus would eventually go away.

Vindicated again

Trump said 15 cases would then magically go to zero. He was only out by 12-18 months, several vaccines, 500k deaths and 28 million cases - which is probably a win by Trump standards.

[Jayarbie]

ARen't we passed the super susceptible? Here in Cali we are in the phase 1b with includes ages 65+, teachers, and food and ag workers.

PA is still working on 1A (healthcare workers and 75+). PA's vaccine rollout has been a mess.

[tunejunkie]

Trump said 15 cases would then magically go to zero. He was only out by 12-18 months, several vaccines, 500k deaths and 28 million cases - which is probably a win by Trump standards.

No. He was talking in generalities. It’s a figure of speech, trying to give the American people hope by saying it will go away, which it clearly is. Anyone who tries to spin his figure of speech into literal meaning is being intellectually dishonest

[clivesbigbiceps]

Trump was right when he said covid would go away by miracle, and that miracle is Joseph R. Biden.

[havoc00]

Yawn. You'll have to leave the basement soon. Maybe you can give happy endings to other incels. Try a different fear angle. That one's a bust:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...-variants.aspx

hes such a paranoid ******* lol

[Dave22reborn]

Trump was right when he said covid would go away by miracle, and that miracle is Joseph R. Biden.

What exactly did Biden do?

[Venom08]

The WHO changed the PCR guidelines so that instead of the ridiculous 45 cycles they were doing, they brought them down to 25-30. This means less false positives. I'd say a significant chunk of the positive covid cases were false positives.

[Mckay23]

Trump said 15 cases would then magically go to zero. He was only out by 12-18 months, several vaccines, 500k deaths and 28 million cases - which is probably a win by Trump standards.

That was in February 2020. The problem is a month later, Dr. Fauci claimed Covid-19 would be gone in several weeks:

"I cannot see that all of a sudden, next week or two weeks from now it's going to be over. I don't think there's a chance of that. I think it's going to be several weeks."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...veral-n1164701

Sure, blame a politician instead the so called expert for being flat wrong...

[jthm]

its already pretty much done

[terrorgunt]

Never wore a mask. Never stopped eating in restaurants in San Diego. Lol if you go to restaurants that shut down.

[Antoine99]

Wait you can't even get reinfected if you had it already? srs? What a beta ******* virus lol

[frankdtank20]

ARen't we passed the super susceptible? Here in Cali we are in the phase 1b with includes ages 65+, teachers, and food and ag workers.

Past? Yes and no. People in nursing and assisted living have basically all gotten a second shot. Most are fully immune by now. It's not a completely static population, always new admissions. And there are at least as many people in the same health conditions living in a private home with their middle aged kids, or their spouse is taking care of them. Many of them sleep in a hospital bed in their home. They're everywhere. Their health is just as poor, but they fall through the cracks.

[Johnez]

The WHO changed the PCR guidelines so that instead of the ridiculous 45 cycles they were doing, they brought them down to 25-30. This means less false positives. I'd say a significant chunk of the positive covid cases were false positives.

When the fuk was this?

[wincel]

The WHO changed the PCR guidelines so that instead of the ridiculous 45 cycles they were doing, they brought them down to 25-30. This means less false positives. I'd say a significant chunk of the positive covid cases were false positives.

Fake news.

The PCR guidelines were to have manufacturers use the number of cycles for the threshold recommended by the test manufacturers.

The WHO notice does not advise laboratories to reduce the cycle count in PCR tests. It advises laboratory professionals to use tests with the proper instructions to ensure accurate results.

When contacted by email, the WHO told Reuters that it did not say the PCR tests for COVID-19 were faulty and that their guidance had been taken out of context. “Since the beginning of 2020, WHO has received 10 reports of problems related to PCR tests for the detection of SARS-CoV-2 (the virus which causes COVID-19), including some products listed for emergency use by WHO,” the organization said. “The reports were for misdiagnosis, both false positive and false negative results.”

The WHO confirmed after investigating that the tests were not being used in compliance with instructions provided by the manufacturers. Laboratories faced problems when they did not apply the recommended “positivity threshold”, which can result in false negative or false positive results.

Ian M. Mackay, a virologist and adjunct associate professor at the University of Queensland in Australia, told Reuters via email that the WHO notice is meant for laboratory professionals, especially those unfamiliar with conducting PCR tests in a pathology laboratory setting, and not the general public.

“If a lab uses a commercial RT-PCR kit, then they must follow the manufacturer’s instructions,” Mackay said, “Otherwise, the results produced may not be the best, most accurate results that the kit can deliver.”

In response to the claim in Samadi’s tweet that “the current cycle was much too high and resulting in any particle being declared a positive case”, Mackay said: “Apart from being completely wrong, this comment acts as excellent indicator of a person with no understanding of PCR, the design of PCR tests or of the high-throughout use of PCR processes to test human samples in a quality pathology laboratory setting.” He called the comment “bizarre” and scorned at how it was being used by adversaries of the PCR tests.

PCR stands for Polymerase Chain Reaction, a process used to amplify DNA, and it is run a certain number of times to detect a virus. Mackay discusses the process in detail here , explaining that to detect an otherwise small amount of viral DNA, laboratory professionals run 40 to 50 cycles of PCR, which can vary by laboratory and testing kit.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN2A429W

It's rather ridiculous that virtually every single talking point coming out of conservatives' mouths these days is just straight up fabrications or misinformation.

[Johnez]

Fake news.

The PCR guidelines were to have manufacturers use the number of cycles for the threshold recommended by the test manufacturers.



https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN2A429W

It's rather ridiculous that virtually every single talking point coming out of conservatives' mouths these days is just straight up fabrications or misinformation.

Lol.

Reading what the WHO has to say is better than any interpretation, I'll give you that. Read what the WHO actually states. That dumbass doctor could have made a lot of hay just by sticking with the facts.

The WHO stated right there that
A) there's a higher chance for false positives with a higher cycle threshold
B) In order to eliminate the possibility of false positives one needs to use the PCR as an diagnostic *AID*!!!

It is not the final be all, end all for diagnosis! So, what do we do with a "positive" without the underlying symptoms? Retest. Evaluate the patient based on how they present.

Also, lol: the WHO is telling labs to follow the directions. Just fukking lol.

[A-GAME]

Do you guys know that the PCR test creator (Kary Mullis), that was also a big critic of Fauci died in August 2019, right before the pandemic started? Interesting timing, no?

[z4v4]

-Johnson and Johnson's has the official thumbs up from the FDA. No special refrigeration needed, one dose and you're good.
-Pfizer more than doubling its vaccine production by mid March.
-Moderna doubling its vaccines by mid April.
-Half the US has been infected already. Lots of existing immunity.
-While thousands have been suspected (weak language), a whopping 51 reinfections of Covid have been confirmed..........worldwide.


State leaders formerly afraid of their own shadows dropping lockdowns and restrictions. Sloots can sloot in bars again instead of just on apps.

This is good news.

What will you conspircels do once life goes back to normal?

[Dave22reborn]

This is good news.

What will you conspircels do once life goes back to normal?

You mean in 2022? Or by 2024?

[Dave22reborn]

New coronavirus variant identified in New York.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...t-nyc.amp.html

Almost like the virus is acting like a virus.

[z4v4]

You mean in 2022? Or by 2024?

This year, son.

[WoofieNugget]

New coronavirus variant identified in New York.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...t-nyc.amp.html

Almost like the virus is acting like a virus.

There's been a dozen variants since this thing started. And nowhere in that article does it say anything about whether it's more contagious OR harsh except that it tends to infect people 6 years OLDER. So I guess all the old people had better stay away, just like they should have been all along. Like the regular flu.

People were freaking out about the British variant and it hasn't even been a blip in North America yet.

[Stizzel]

The FLU has been eradicated from the UK

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/uk...-detected-year