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    Training with intensity = secret to looking good natural?

    I have a friend i've been gym with he tells me - how come I'm strong but don't even look that impressive? It's true he is strong for his size/weight and for a natural but you can't even tell he lifts. When i go to the gym with him he trains very slowly with long rest periods. very low intensity.

    I see so many naturals like this. It's like they've downloaded a program that says shoulder press 3 x 12 and then they get to 12 reps and just stop..

    I train like a maniac if i don't feel tired at 12 reps ill increase the weight on the next set or rest shorter etc.. alwys trying to train close to failure.. i get compliments for my physique and i honestly think it's simply because the way i train

    do yu guys ever see guys at the gym training hard?? for me it's rare and usually the dudes i d see training hard look te best.
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    Yes actually. I learned this after several years. The first two or so years as a natty you can basically redline all three intensity/volume/frequency. However you will still grow quite well with any mix of those within that time frame.

    After those first couple years people tend to rely too much on volume and frequency. They usually look flat unless pumped, and don't ever make considerable size or strength gains even over long periods of time.

    I noticed when I had deliberate intense focus on particular exercises, and pushed these exercises to the limit (for example like amraps and/or force production), I made much greater size and strength gains, and in a shorter amount of time. Of course this was aided by getting 8 hours of sleep and eating at a caloric surplus as well.

    You can't sustain that for too long, so you always juggle with sort of phases between volume and high intensity, and other aspects of training. But as a natty I think the most important factor when it comes to training (outside of things like technique) is intensity.

    There's a reason some guys look the same year in and year out doing the same 4x12 bb.com workout they read in an article or an old jay cutler workout for MASS GAINS. Or these guys who focus on the most "scientific" workout. They are all pussies when it comes to training and barely break a sweat.
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    I do 1 set on compounds and 2 sets for isolation. Reps range any where from 3 reps to 20 reps depending. Every set is taken close to failure or to failure with "perfect" form.

    Works for me. Only way I can get away with it is because volume and frequency is low.. Which I prefer to be honest. Almost 14 years of lifting and it's not as "fun" as it used to be.
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    I got stronger with a structured and limited approached. Think long rest times, low reps, high weight.

    I got physically bigger with an intensity/volume/forced reps approach.
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    training with intensity is the secret to everything.

    when people cut/diet they think either they can lower intensity or increase volume, but the muscles respond to demand placed upon them, primarily through mechanical tension.

    Guess what happens when calories are in a deficit but you are hitting PR's in the gym? your body realizes it needs to keep its muscle, send nutrietns to muscle and thus not only using bodyfat as fuel more but also lowering body fat % because lean muscle mas sstays the same while body weight drops = lower body fat %.

    More volume/higher reps = more muscle damage and less demand to increase muscle size.
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    you must train with intensity or you are wasting your time if you arent a year or two into the game

    amrap, last set first, pyramids, low rest times, lots of volume, you simply need to leave the gym feeling exhausted or else you will not realize your physique and strength goals

    i call people who look the same as they did a year ago do nothing bitches. dont be a dnb.
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    Originally Posted by Jestbrah View Post
    training with intensity is the secret to everything.

    when people cut/diet they think either they can lower intensity or increase volume, but the muscles respond to demand placed upon them, primarily through mechanical tension.

    Guess what happens when calories are in a deficit but you are hitting PR's in the gym? your body realizes it needs to keep its muscle, send nutrietns to muscle and thus not only using bodyfat as fuel more but also lowering body fat % because lean muscle mas sstays the same while body weight drops = lower body fat %.

    More volume/higher reps = more muscle damage and less demand to increase muscle size.
    I don't understand the last line
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    actually dieting right and avoiding alcohol will do wonders for 99.99% of people
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    Diet is the key to looking good for natural lifters.
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    Originally Posted by RonaldMcflurry View Post
    Diet is the key to looking good for natural lifters.
    Agreed, you can have the best training routine in the world but if you're not getting those nutrients into the body you wont make much headway!
    Tennis balls?...........my Biceps are as big as Grapefruits!
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    actually dieting right and avoiding alcohol will do wonders for 99.99% of people

    I love my vodka and rum though mane.
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    Originally Posted by Jestbrah View Post
    training with intensity is the secret to everything.

    when people cut/diet they think either they can lower intensity or increase volume, but the muscles respond to demand placed upon them, primarily through mechanical tension.

    Guess what happens when calories are in a deficit but you are hitting PR's in the gym? your body realizes it needs to keep its muscle, send nutrietns to muscle and thus not only using bodyfat as fuel more but also lowering body fat % because lean muscle mas sstays the same while body weight drops = lower body fat %.

    More volume/higher reps = more muscle damage and less demand to increase muscle size.
    Dude I can't stand listening to your jargon anymore. The fact that you talk a lot of **** that you can not back makes me believe that you do a lot of reading and not a lot of lifting. How Can you give advice to people without truly understanding what you are saying? The answer is you can't ..... You can not tell someone something without knowing if it works or not. You have no experience lifting. You hardly know anything. Everything you do know you read in a book or stole from someone else. You have no factual eveidence that it works. You just take advice from credible sources and post them as your own....As an aspiring personal trainer, who has actually spent time working in a gym, watching and criticizing and experimenting. Stop posting. You don't know what youre talking about. You know it too.
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    Nothing more cringe than seeing a natty train with intensity... panting and groaning for a physique like this:



    Meanwhile Chad is in the corner on TRT swiping his phone with 1 hand and skull crushers in the other and making 2x the gains.



    It's 2021. Wake up.
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    Max-OT to this day was the most eye opening program I ever did and it changed the way I have viewed lifting ever since.

    There is no ways you can go to the gym 6 days a week unless you are on gear or you train like a phaggot.
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    Genetics.

    Originally Posted by Faz3d View Post
    Nothing more cringe than seeing a natty train with intensity... panting and groaning for a physique like this:



    Meanwhile Chad is in the corner on TRT swiping his phone with 1 hand and skull crushers in the other and making 2x the gains.



    It's 2021. Wake up.
    Yeah, let's get on life support in your teens/early 20s just to have a bit more muscle. Lmao
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    Pretty much have to go to failure to get the best gains so yeah.

    Cortisol management is big for nattys. High reps, long workouts, and a steady stream of caffeine from preworkouts is a pretty cool cocktail of cortisol madness
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    100% train w intensity

    thats why that dork ian mcarthy looks like **** he trains like a 90 year old man
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    I think so because I saw quick improvements when I started doing Arthur Jones style. Then gyms shuts down and I lost my gains. My pics on here were from calisthenics only.
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    The trick is to take a tonne of pre workout and go to the gym a few times

    then yu get used to tht intensity then come off the pre workout
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    yep. only time i ever started making gains is when i put some real effort in. went to failure everytime
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    Originally Posted by illah View Post
    Genetics.



    Yeah, let's get on life support in your teens/early 20s just to have a bit more muscle. Lmao
    Life support lmao, so dramatic.

    I'm merely pointing out that the input/output ratio for a natty when training with "intensity" is 1 way ticket to delusion. You should know the realistic limits and not treat it as your life, rather a hobby to keep sane.
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    Originally Posted by Jestbrah View Post
    training with intensity is the secret to everything.

    when people cut/diet they think either they can lower intensity or increase volume, but the muscles respond to demand placed upon them, primarily through mechanical tension.

    Guess what happens when calories are in a deficit but you are hitting PR's in the gym? your body realizes it needs to keep its muscle, send nutrietns to muscle and thus not only using bodyfat as fuel more but also lowering body fat % because lean muscle mas sstays the same while body weight drops = lower body fat %.

    More volume/higher reps = more muscle damage and less demand to increase muscle size.
    This, most people are just BEGGING for excuses not to lift heavy.
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    Consistency and patience is the key to looking good natty.

    Some of the routines I see I often think "how the hell can people take so much volume?". I think a lot of that is often "junk volume". But as long as you keep grinding you will probably eventually hit your genetic limit no matter what route you take.
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    Originally Posted by DestroyedEsteem View Post
    I have a friend i've been gym with he tells me - how come I'm strong but don't even look that impressive? It's true he is strong for his size/weight and for a natural but you can't even tell he lifts. When i go to the gym with him he trains very slowly with long rest periods. very low intensity.

    I see so many naturals like this. It's like they've downloaded a program that says shoulder press 3 x 12 and then they get to 12 reps and just stop..

    I train like a maniac if i don't feel tired at 12 reps ill increase the weight on the next set or rest shorter etc.. alwys trying to train close to failure.. i get compliments for my physique and i honestly think it's simply because the way i train

    do yu guys ever see guys at the gym training hard?? for me it's rare and usually the dudes i d see training hard look te best.


    I'm a natural woman who was always getting asked when I was gonna compete next... so I attained that competitive physique/appearance (jacked and ripped upper body- ripped lower body not attainable) and maintained it for years. I can only speak for myself and what I believed worked for me- being naturally strong for a female from the beginning and using that strength to power through the fatigue, inevitable plateaus, certain injuries (some will stop you in your tracks temporarily...), etc. Confidence, resilience, fast-twitch muscle fibers, fast-twitch muscle fibers, fast-twitch muscle fibers... Did I mention fast-twitch muscle fibers playing a major role here? Especially for a natural. How can any natural develop sufficiently without having explosiveness to lift heavy weight?? And then you need to develop stamina to stop yourself from gassing to soon during most sessions.
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    Originally Posted by Jestbrah View Post
    training with intensity is the secret to everything.

    when people cut/diet they think either they can lower intensity or increase volume, but the muscles respond to demand placed upon them, primarily through mechanical tension.

    Guess what happens when calories are in a deficit but you are hitting PR's in the gym? your body realizes it needs to keep its muscle, send nutrietns to muscle and thus not only using bodyfat as fuel more but also lowering body fat % because lean muscle mas sstays the same while body weight drops = lower body fat %.

    More volume/higher reps = more muscle damage and less demand to increase muscle size.
    This. I use progressive overload for my compounds (with drop sets) and limited rest pump sets for isolation exercises.
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    Originally Posted by Faz3d View Post
    Nothing more cringe than seeing a natty train with intensity... panting and groaning for a physique like this:



    Meanwhile Chad is in the corner on TRT swiping his phone with 1 hand and skull crushers in the other and making 2x the gains.



    It's 2021. Wake up.
    ...and will destroy his endocrine system so that when he's older he'll turn into a total homo and probably become a tranny, and cry all the time.

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    Originally Posted by Faz3d View Post
    Nothing more cringe than seeing a natty train with intensity... panting and groaning for a physique like this:

    [img]https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/28235652_2026262274263126_2118593457003699470_o.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=3&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_ohc=SFa-OosU9JIAX_cfzWb&_nc_ht=scontent-frt3-1.xx&oh=ef493f72e2c4b850441b272663a7f14c&oe=6059D0 2C[/ig]

    Meanwhile Chad is in the corner on TRT swiping his phone with 1 hand and skull crushers in the other and making 2x the gains.

    [img]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c4/6f/c2/c46fc2ae6514721fa6948c6640a7ab98.jpg[/ig]

    It's 2021. Wake up.
    I mean, obviously that will make a difference. But you cherry picked a guy with subpar genetics (Sorry, Maxx) who basically does low bar squats and deadlifts for views because he is good at those lifts. His bodybuilding training is pretty lackluster when he's posted it.
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    Originally Posted by xvicknumber7x View Post
    you must train with intensity or you are wasting your time if you arent a year or two into the game

    amrap, last set first, pyramids, low rest times, lots of volume, you simply need to leave the gym feeling exhausted or else you will not realize your physique and strength goals

    i call people who look the same as they did a year ago do nothing bitches. dont be a dnb.
    I echo the "feeling exhausted" each time statement. I don't even have the best physique(obviously), but I have noticed that I only make progress when I feel drained/sore upon leaving. I also try to increase the weight on my lifts every other session if not every session. But I make notes on how I feel. So say on bench, if I am struggling to lift the weight. Ill make a note and try the same weight the next day I do bench. And I will try to focus harder and if its easier, I will make that note and increase the weight the NEXT session or try to.

    I feel like tracking progress is just as important in the gym as it is with diet if you are trying to get super lean. I also don't view cutting as an excuse to go lighter. If anything, I expect to struggle but I still try to make progress. And if I can't I can't, but I will add a few more reps to overcompensate or an extra set.

    I literally think just being focused on improving is the key. Don't just go in and lift random weight, always try to improve. If you don't feel like you can train with intensity one day, don't skip the gym, still go and lift. Its better than nothing.
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    Originally Posted by illah View Post
    Genetics.



    Yeah, let's get on life support in your teens/early 20s just to have a bit more muscle. Lmao
    You really believe juice is killing people like that? Tons of bodybuilders, athletes, models use and live long with no complications. The only people at risk are abusers and they don’t look like the guy in the bottom pic
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    Originally Posted by John$Galt View Post
    ...and will destroy his endocrine system so that when he's older he'll turn into a total homo and probably become a tranny, and cry all the time.

    high time preference cucks
    First guy looks more aesthetic anyway imo, even if he is borderline twink mode by misc standards.
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